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#2414320 - 12/06/17 03:15 PM Allen Johnson Factory Stock class
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The Agent hears that retired Pro Stock driver Allen Johnson will be moving into the expanded Factory Stock class next season. There are seven NHRA national events that will run the Factory Stock Showdown.



Other pro drivers who have already driven in some of the FS events include Erica Enders , Bo Butner and Leah Pritchett. Other drivers reportedly are planning on driving the COPO Camaro, Ford Cobra Jet and Dodge Challenger Drag Pak cars.



Butner, Enders and Johnson will have engines by Elite Motorsports.
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#2414332 - 12/06/17 03:57 PM Re: Allen Johnson Factory Stock class [Re: theraif]
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Not enough info yet but it kinda sounds like something most of us have been asking for. Sure sounds better than watching Pro Stock Chevy
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#2414341 - 12/06/17 04:16 PM Re: Allen Johnson Factory Stock class [Re: pittsburghracer]
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veeeery intersting.....

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#2414350 - 12/06/17 04:32 PM Re: Allen Johnson Factory Stock class [Re: theraif]
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I deleted my post after seeing the other post on Pro stock.

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#2414353 - 12/06/17 04:43 PM Re: Allen Johnson Factory Stock class [Re: theraif]
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Factory Stock? NHRA's definition of "stock" differs from reality.
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#2414406 - 12/06/17 06:51 PM Re: Allen Johnson Factory Stock class [Re: John_Kunkel]
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Name aside it’s a pretty neat class

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#2414427 - 12/06/17 07:13 PM Re: Allen Johnson Factory Stock class [Re: theraif]
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60's Super stock again maybe? That would be great
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#2414440 - 12/06/17 07:39 PM Re: Allen Johnson Factory Stock class [Re: pittsburghracer]
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Originally Posted By pittsburghracer
Not enough info yet but it kinda sounds like something most of us have been asking for. Sure sounds better than watching Pro Stock Chevy


Nothing wrong with that class, but they should stop calling it pro stock. Its just a top tier NA class with nothing stock about it.

Set the FS cars on kill and call that PS, they might even get some spectators.

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#2414510 - 12/06/17 09:54 PM Re: Allen Johnson Factory Stock class [Re: theraif]
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Can you imagine the " factory Stock " class with their $200,000. cars? No, better make that $300,000
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#2414654 - 12/07/17 09:53 AM Re: Allen Johnson Factory Stock class [Re: theraif]
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I wish they were all 20 million dollar cars. The better the stuff they play with, the better the trickle down is. The thing for me is in coming to grips with the NHRA having long been the country club of costs too much. I'm personally glad it exists. There needs to be a high water mark for everything. Being out of most everyone's budget keeps it where it needs to be. Honestly, it's tough enough to keep an audience with big budget cars. Imagine a sea of nobodies, fighting over nothing. Never going to get a television audience to watch that. Aside, of course from us, which wouldn't make a fraction of a single neilsen point.

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#2414664 - 12/07/17 10:26 AM Re: Allen Johnson Factory Stock class [Re: theraif]
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Allen bought Roy a new challenger stocker a number of years back. Wonder if they will campaign this car or build a newer one with the bigger 426" motor to be competitive in FS/XX with.

In the article it mentions he'll be using ELITE power, i believe all they do is the COPO engines?
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#2414829 - 12/07/17 03:25 PM Re: Allen Johnson Factory Stock class [Re: dthemi]
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Originally Posted By dthemi
I wish they were all 20 million dollar cars. The better the stuff they play with, the better the trickle down is. The thing for me is in coming to grips with the NHRA having long been the country club of costs too much. I'm personally glad it exists. There needs to be a high water mark for everything. Being out of most everyone's budget keeps it where it needs to be. Honestly, it's tough enough to keep an audience with big budget cars. Imagine a sea of nobodies, fighting over nothing. Never going to get a television audience to watch that. Aside, of course from us, which wouldn't make a fraction of a single neilsen point.


Excellent post. I agree completely.

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#2414833 - 12/07/17 03:29 PM Re: Allen Johnson Factory Stock class [Re: theraif]
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The problem with the "20 million dollar car" scenario is you end up with 8-12 cars showing up to fill a 16 car field.

They already have that problem.

The way it seems to me is, there's a pretty fair amount of chatter about the FS/XX class, and the only thing I keep hearing about for the last few years in P/S is how it's dying and the car counts are low.

IMO, the general drag race fan doesn't really indentify with it anymore.

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#2414843 - 12/07/17 03:46 PM Re: Allen Johnson Factory Stock class [Re: fast68plymouth]
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Originally Posted By fast68plymouth
The problem with the "20 million dollar car" scenario is you end up with 8-12 cars showing up to fill a 16 car field.

They already have that problem.

The way it seems to me is, there's a pretty fair amount of chatter about the FS/XX class, and the only thing I keep hearing about for the last few years in P/S is how it's dying and the car counts are low.

IMO, the general drag race fan doesn't really indentify with it anymore.



^^^^^^^^^^ This guy gets it!! bow

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#2414875 - 12/07/17 04:48 PM Re: Allen Johnson Factory Stock class [Re: theraif]
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If I were bring some new people to watch drag racing, the show would be TF or Funny Car not Pro Stock. Pro Stock only works after one understands drag racing, the first two put on the show, noise, smoke, explosions, wrecks whatever. PS has none of this for the first timers, nothing to relate to at all except pretty boxes moving down track, boring in a way to them.
I further say most can't relate to the new cars either, they might glance at one going down the highway but have no clue to what's under the hood.


Edited by cudaman1969 (12/07/17 04:52 PM)

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#2414908 - 12/07/17 05:38 PM Re: Allen Johnson Factory Stock class [Re: fast68plymouth]
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Originally Posted By fast68plymouth
IMO, the general drag race fan doesn't really indentify with it <P/S> anymore.

Much as I hate to admit it... and even though I've had dealings with folks involved in a couple of NHRA Pro Stock teams over the years... I can relate more to Street Outlaws than Pro Stock. All the late nights many years ago with the local street race crowd still feels more "real" than watching the current Pro Stock slot cars.
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#2414910 - 12/07/17 05:43 PM Re: Allen Johnson Factory Stock class [Re: Triple Threat]
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Originally Posted By Triple Threat
Allen bought Roy a new challenger stocker a number of years back. Wonder if they will campaign this car or build a newer one with the bigger 426" motor to be competitive in FS/XX with.

In the article it mentions he'll be using ELITE power, i believe all they do is the COPO engines?


Don't forget they did Wofford's AH stuff when he won Indy couple years ago. Wouldn't doubt he'll mess with the gen3 stuff.

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#2414914 - 12/07/17 05:53 PM Re: Allen Johnson Factory Stock class [Re: theraif]
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Anything other than the NHRA PRO JOKE class will be welcomew
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#2414924 - 12/07/17 06:18 PM Re: Allen Johnson Factory Stock class [Re: theraif]
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The fact that the manufacturers aren't backing PS says it all.

The fact that people don't understand, or can't relate to it means the typical IQ of a fan is dropping to the point no manufacturer would waste money in advertising to people too dumb to afford what's for sale.

Any drag racer can relate to an NA door car, no matter how sophisticated it is. An onion is an onion, no matter how many layers it has.

Another hindrance is the constant, never ending mopar crying about cost. I'm around plenty of Ford, and Chevy guys, and no one groups cries about cost more than our people. This factory class thing will be no different unfortunately. As soon as some competitor changes plugs every round, the "out of control spending" cry will murder it too.

The loss of prostock would be the worst thing I can personally imagine happening to the drag racing community. The end of real NA research, and development.

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#2414934 - 12/07/17 06:41 PM Re: Allen Johnson Factory Stock class [Re: theraif]
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Not sure how many folks here realize what a competitive shoot out car costs either. If you ever have the opportunity to attend a race where they are running the Factory Shoot Out class I suggest you wander those pits and see the $$$$ involved and many of the people in the class. It is pretty much the country club crowd with a few car guys mixed in. SO if the cost of running Pro Stock is really a big issue tot he masses they ain't gonna like the FSS crowd any better, well most of it anyway. Those guys love to eat and drink well though. Also hire guys to make sure their cars are ready to race while they lounge around...

If NHRA pro stock goes away it will be a sad day for all of racing.
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