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#2412215 - 12/02/17 10:18 AM Re: Starting to work on the Duster [Re: AndyF]
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Id suggest having a custom set of headers made. I have had those TTI's on a few customer cars and they are a PITA especially on a racecar where things are changed periodically. Anytime you need the trans out to work on it or swap a converter you will hate them. Not impossible to do but definitely WAY more work than it should be....
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#2412309 - 12/02/17 02:34 PM Re: Starting to work on the Duster [Re: Dave Hall]
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Originally Posted By Dave Hall
I don't know Andy? That #1 exhaust pipe isn't going to cooperate too well with the wires on that side...


I think I have it figured out. Will most likely require some custom wires from Gorski though to make it come out clean.

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#2412310 - 12/02/17 02:35 PM Re: Starting to work on the Duster [Re: Al_Alguire]
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Originally Posted By Al_Alguire
Id suggest having a custom set of headers made. I have had those TTI's on a few customer cars and they are a PITA especially on a racecar where things are changed periodically. Anytime you need the trans out to work on it or swap a converter you will hate them. Not impossible to do but definitely WAY more work than it should be....


Yeah, these are big suckers. They tucked them in close to everything which is great if you never have to work on it.

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#2412633 - 12/03/17 09:40 AM Re: Starting to work on the Duster [Re: AndyF]
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Did you have them in the car yet? I'm fighting with an older 2" set right now in my dart with low deck and the trick flows.

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#2412664 - 12/03/17 11:12 AM Re: Starting to work on the Duster [Re: AndyF]
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Originally Posted By AndyF
Originally Posted By Al_Alguire
Id suggest having a custom set of headers made. I have had those TTI's on a few customer cars and they are a PITA especially on a racecar where things are changed periodically. Anytime you need the trans out to work on it or swap a converter you will hate them. Not impossible to do but definitely WAY more work than it should be....


Yeah, these are big suckers. They tucked them in close to everything which is great if you never have to work on it.


Very cool build Andy. I had 2" cppa (tti) on my old 71 Demon and they were a bear to get in and out. They looked good once in (one weekend later), but pray you don't need to do any maintenance. What about the Mazzoloni headers that are a partial fender exit? Those always seemed like a better option for a shelf BB A body header.
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#2412673 - 12/03/17 11:22 AM Re: Starting to work on the Duster [Re: AndyF]
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I would look at the Maddog headers. very easy install and starter removal doesn't look too bad.

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#2412772 - 12/03/17 04:31 PM Re: Starting to work on the Duster [Re: AndyF]
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Bolting up the starter was the least of the nitemare. It's nearly impossible to get to the trans. linkage with the collectors in the way. Nearly impossible to bolt the top bell housing bolts. You have to get creative with the engine and trans. dipstick. The factory steering coupler won't work. Should I continue?

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#2412938 - 12/04/17 12:21 AM Re: Starting to work on the Duster [Re: AndyF]
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Yeah I see what you mean. I put the driver's side header in today and it was a grade A nightmare to install. I had to get the car way up in the air and then use the bridge crane to lift the engine so I could wiggle the header in from below. Looks like they are designed to be installed on a lift.

I think the best way to R&R the car will be to drop the K frame, then drop the headers, then pull the engine and trans as a unit out the front. For assembly the engine and trans slide in from the front, trans linkage is installed, starter bolts in, and then the headers. Once the headers are in place the K-frame with suspension and brakes is lifted up and bolted in place.

Kind of sucks to have to pop the ball joints and bleed the brakes every time the engine comes out but I'm thinking those are the hoops to jump thru.

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#2412942 - 12/04/17 12:44 AM Re: Starting to work on the Duster [Re: AndyF]
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Just keep fighting! My dart has a trans. leak and I ain't going anywhere near it for awhile. Not until I do my hand and finger aerobics for a month or so...I don't know how many times I got out from underneath the car and just swore up and down that I would beat the living God out of it when I got it running! I make good on my promises and it's a hoot!

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#2412958 - 12/04/17 02:30 AM Re: Starting to work on the Duster [Re: AndyF]
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Yep. My 1 7/8 TTI's were alot of trouble to install as well. The Maddogs go in 1 tube at a time. Way easier.

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#2413135 - 12/04/17 01:31 PM Re: Starting to work on the Duster [Re: AndyF]
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The tti website says their headers will not fit with head studs. Actually they fit just fine with head studs as long as you use the ARP 2.725 long studs. I wrote this up in my BB book about 10 years ago but evidently not everyone paid attention.........


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#2413347 - 12/04/17 09:22 PM Re: Starting to work on the Duster [Re: Dave Hall]
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Originally Posted By Dave Hall
I don't know Andy? That #1 exhaust pipe isn't going to cooperate too well with the wires on that side...


I think it will work just fine to loop the plug wires up to the coils on the valve cover. I need to get Rick at Firecore to make me some sample wires to make sure it all fits but I've mocked it up a couple of times and it seems okay.


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#2413536 - 12/05/17 10:01 AM Re: Starting to work on the Duster [Re: AndyF]
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I think it will be equally difficult for 1,3,5 and 7
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#2413707 - 12/05/17 03:15 PM Re: Starting to work on the Duster [Re: mopar dave]
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Originally Posted By mopar dave
Yep. My 1 7/8 TTI's were alot of trouble to install as well. The Maddogs go in 1 tube at a time. Way easier.




The Maddog site only lists ford / chevy headers ??

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#2415717 - 12/09/17 11:15 AM Re: Starting to work on the Duster [Re: Al_Alguire]
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Originally Posted By Al_Alguire
I think it will be equally difficult for 1,3,5 and 7


I'm pretty sure that plug wires are going to be the least of my worries but it will be a couple of weeks before I have the parts in hand to prove it.

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#2415720 - 12/09/17 11:18 AM Re: Starting to work on the Duster [Re: AndyF]
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Back to working on the rear end. The Dana 60 was not welded to the perches and it wasn't in the correct location when I got the car so I'm working on getting everything properly aligned. First off, that Dana 60 is a beast! I tried to move it around with a floor jack but that didn't work. I'm working by myself so I don't have any help to move heavy stuff around. I finally gave up and designed a little mount for my trans jack so I can safely move the Dana 60 around. With this jack mount I can rotate, tilt, lift, shift etc. and get the housing into the correct location by myself.


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#2415765 - 12/09/17 01:10 PM Re: Starting to work on the Duster [Re: AndyF]
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Looks good Andy up
I want one now grin
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#2415782 - 12/09/17 02:01 PM Re: Starting to work on the Duster [Re: 493_DART]
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Yeah dont know whats up with that. May make a call and see. They did have mopar headers on their site not long ago as i was looking at them.

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#2415944 - 12/09/17 07:56 PM Re: Starting to work on the Duster [Re: AndyF]
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iagree You have lot's of other things to think about. I was trying to challenge you a little to think outside the box on the coils. Did you ever get the shifter rods to work?

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#2418010 - 12/13/17 01:28 PM Re: Starting to work on the Duster [Re: AndyF]
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I dropped the front suspension out of the car so I could install the headers. 5 minute job once the K frame is out of the car. With the suspension out of the car I used the body wheels from US Car Tool to support the car. I think I'll eventually get a process figured out for working on this car but it is going to take some time (and money)! The big headers and the big Dana 60 rearend really chew up the space at both ends of the car. Maintenance becomes a hassle. I understand why guys just go ahead and step up to tube chassis cars with removable panels and all of that.


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