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#2413856 - 12/05/17 07:02 PM Re: Got record player 4 girlfriend anyone else still play recor [Re: rdrnr6970]
ruderunner Offline


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Ahhh yes the "sound quality" argument...

Imho there's lots of music that does sound better on period equipment vs digital remastered.

I'm no fan of Pink Floyd On vynil, CD is better. But early Jeff Beck really does sound better on vynil. The Ramones are best live on vynil. Frankly I'm not a big fan of most live recording or even concerts but for punk it just has to be raw.

Dad had some"voice of the theater" speakers growing up. I'd actually curl up in the open space in front of the cones.... They were take outs from the Cleveland Agora.

When he passed, my brother took the Crown amps (MRI amps actually, no distortion allowed and probably$5000 each if you had to buy them). He's was an audiophile. At one point we had speakers that were rated for 1000 watts minimum! That's what the crown amps ran. Playing the opening of Dark side of the Moon literally shook the neighbors house!

But I grew up listening to 60's rock and that was what I grew up with. And I reminiscing about those little pops and hissing you get from vynil. It just fits.


Edited by ruderunner (12/05/17 07:16 PM)

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#2413862 - 12/05/17 07:18 PM Re: Got record player 4 girlfriend anyone else still play recor [Re: ruderunner]
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Originally Posted By ruderunner
Ahhh yes the "sound quality" argument...

Imho there's lots of music that does sound better on period equipment vs digital remastered.

I'm no fan of Pink On vynil, CD is better. But early Jeff Beck really does sound better on vynil. The Ramones are best live on vynil. Frankly I'm not a big fan of most live recording or even concerts but for punk it just has to be raw.

Dad had some"voice of the theater" speakers growing up. I'd actually curl up in the open space in front of the cones....


The CD vs vinyl was a good argument for vinyl at first or in about the first 5-10 years but not anymore. Some really great CD recordings now.........but as far as dynamic range, hands down still goes to vinyl.


Edited by A12 (12/05/17 07:19 PM)

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#2413864 - 12/05/17 07:22 PM Re: Got record player 4 girlfriend anyone else still play recor [Re: rdrnr6970]
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I wholeheartedly agree!
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#2413876 - 12/05/17 07:45 PM Re: Got record player 4 girlfriend anyone else still play recor [Re: rdrnr6970]
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Sadly with one ear gone and the other at half mast, listening is not the same anymore. My hearing aids distort the sound so bad I take them out then crank it up till the room shakes just to hear most of the song. PTOTECT your ears, tremendous loss for me.

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#2413878 - 12/05/17 07:48 PM Re: Got record player 4 girlfriend anyone else still play recor [Re: A12]
ruderunner Offline


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Originally Posted By A12
Originally Posted By ruderunner
Ahhh yes the "sound quality" argument...

Imho there's lots of music that does sound better on period equipment vs digital remastered.

I'm no fan of Pink On vynil, CD is better. But early Jeff Beck really does sound better on vynil. The Ramones are best live on vynil. Frankly I'm not a big fan of most live recording or even concerts but for punk it just has to be raw.

Dad had some"voice of the theater" speakers growing up. I'd actually curl up in the open space in front of the cones....


The CD vs vinyl was a good argument for vinyl at first or in about the first 5-10 years but not anymore. Some really great CD recordings now.........but as far as dynamic range, hands down still goes to vinyl.


I'm more about the personality of the recording matching the era. No doubt newer is clearer and more pure sound. But back when these songs were recorded, the hiss pop and other anomalies were accepted and in some cases worked with. For example, do you think adding distortion to an electric guitar was an accident? No they were playing to limit of the recording equipment and adding sounds that hit you in the heart.

Dad was a fan of syntheithised music or pure sound as he called it. One of his favorite songs was Manheim steamroller version of Carrol of the Bell. Sure perfect Bell sounds but actually my least favorite. Heck I like Peter Griffen version better! TSO really knocks it out.
Think about old stuff like big band, swing of even Spike Jones? Would it feel the same?

Anybody remember the Cheap Thrills album? There's one song which name escapes me right now, but you hear the sounds of the audinece the clink of silver ware and glasses, some murmured conversation, take those away, make it just a pure music recording. You lose so much.


Edited by ruderunner (12/05/17 07:58 PM)

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#2413912 - 12/05/17 08:27 PM Re: Got record player 4 girlfriend anyone else still play recor [Re: rdrnr6970]
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Still have my old turntable, cassettes, 8-tracks and CDs, They are all dyeing a slow death from attrition, but then after me no one else wants them anyway.

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#2413941 - 12/05/17 09:02 PM Re: Got record player 4 girlfriend anyone else still play recor [Re: rdrnr6970]
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I have to get a new turntable so I can play all my vinyl again. One of the owners of a condo I finished a couple yrs ago need some repairs in his unit and when I get there he has about 10 big boxes full of vinyl in the living rm he was taking to a swap and then he shows me there spare rm and the one wall is vinyl from floor to ceiling. Guy gave me Zepplin 4 free of charge.
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#2413958 - 12/05/17 09:27 PM Re: Got record player 4 girlfriend anyone else still play recor [Re: rdrnr6970]
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I have a decent JVC turntable with a quality needle, Harmon Kardon receiver, and B&O speakers. It isn't Carver, but it sounds way better than my old pioneer receiver/speaker combo.

My vinyl runs the gambit between The Cars, the Meatmen, Merle Haggard live, the Modern Lovers, Harry James, old ZZ Top, Junior Brown, even some Hawaiian island music.
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#2413962 - 12/05/17 09:31 PM Re: Got record player 4 girlfriend anyone else still play recor [Re: nutso suave]
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#2413980 - 12/05/17 09:46 PM Re: Got record player 4 girlfriend anyone else still play recor [Re: A12]
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Originally Posted By A12
I still have a Thorens turntable with a set of Infinity Reference Studio Monitor Speakers. Have Audio Research (tube) Amp and Preamp and a ship-load of albums some direct to disc recordings. My brother-in-law had an audio component store from the late '60's that started and ended at WVU in Morgantown 45 years later. He had for a few years two stores in Pittsburgh near Pitt University and he majored in music when he was in college. He was a great audiophile and knew a lot of people like Henry Kloss of KLH, Advent, and Cambridge Soundworks. I watch him walk into the main listening room and tell his sales guys to fix a set of high end speakers they just set up because they were out of phase. Well the bets were on for lunch that he was wrong, he had a great free lunch later that day. I learned a lot from him on what true sound reproduction was really about.


Nice Set up, I run a Thorens TD-160 with Shure Cartridge. The set-up has Yamaha NS-1000M Studio Monitors, incredible clean sound.

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#2414099 - 12/06/17 08:20 AM Re: Got record player 4 girlfriend anyone else still play recor [Re: floridian]
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#2414153 - 12/06/17 10:14 AM Re: Got record player 4 girlfriend anyone else still play recor [Re: rdrnr6970]
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I still have the Marantz 6270q direct drive turntable that I got in the late 1970's when I was in high school. A few years ago I had a speed issue but found a local guy that repairs high end equipment & he fixed it for under $100. He told me when I came to pick it up that 3 people had wanted to buy it when they saw it....LOL


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#2414158 - 12/06/17 10:23 AM Re: Got record player 4 girlfriend anyone else still play recor [Re: Superfreak]
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Originally Posted By Superfreak
I have to get a new turntable so I can play all my vinyl again. One of the owners of a condo I finished a couple yrs ago need some repairs in his unit and when I get there he has about 10 big boxes full of vinyl in the living rm he was taking to a swap and then he shows me there spare rm and the one wall is vinyl from floor to ceiling. Guy gave me Zepplin 4 free of charge.




If you need a turntable this company has been around for years & offers a USB model that can record to digital files. They also sell an adapter to connect a non USB turntable to your computer & I plan to get one. If I didn't get my old Marantz repaired I would have bought the turntable they sell.....

http://www.dak.com/reviews/2021story.cfm
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#2414221 - 12/06/17 12:04 PM Re: Got record player 4 girlfriend anyone else still play recor [Re: rdrnr6970]
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I always liked the B&O turntable where the arm slid on a pipe/cylinder affair in the back.... It was the shnizzle...

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#2414229 - 12/06/17 12:18 PM Re: Got record player 4 girlfriend anyone else still play recor [Re: rdrnr6970]
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i have an old Empire 208 table with a newer tonearm. sounds nice.
the whole system came together when i got a nice tube phono preamp, built a stepup box so i could run a low output grado sonata cartridge, redone by sound-smith or something like that.

i built some high efficiency speakers, similar to old Klipsch, Pi Audio.

i use a marantz 2220B for an amp, got it off craigslist for $75, 20 watts is plenty with my speakers.

Vinyl and Cd's are different, sometimes the CD is better, sometimes the LP is better. I don't do much comparison of the same recording between LP and CD on my system they both sounds pretty similar. LP a little more organic, CD a little airier.

I usually just buy LP's though because most everything I buy is available that way now.

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#2414385 - 12/06/17 06:13 PM Re: Got record player 4 girlfriend anyone else still play recor [Re: new bee]
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Some really sweet rigs in here! Agree completely with A12, the dynamic range on vinyl is clearly superior. SACD's match vinyl if I remember right but the format never really took off.

Originally Posted By new bee
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I don't have the attention span for 45's but I have lots of 70's punk (including the Voidoids and the Dead Boys), rock, some new wave, blues and older rap on LP's. Collection is up to ~300 at the moment.


Sounds like a fine collection!
I have always been a fan of the 7" single since I was really young. It started with the German relatives sending us records. My older sister started collecting 45s when she was 13, coming home with something new every weekend. When I started building my own collection, I gravitated towards the 7" single for a couple reasons. One was that in the single represented the "hit," or the very best song the band had to offer at the moment. In some cases, it was the bridge between starting out and making it big. They were jump starters for independent bands, or ways of testing the waters for major labels before committing to a full LP. More than any of that, it was an easy format to carry around. We had new music parties, and the single was a nice compact item.
I collected 100s of LPs as well, but ending up selling them all to help pay my way through college.


That is a cool story, and makes a lot of sense. It's a lot easier to haul 45's around vs. milk crates full of LP's. The 45's are much cheaper to collect as well. I do have some MC5 45's someplace but they never get played, have them more for the novelty factor.
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#2414397 - 12/06/17 06:36 PM Re: Got record player 4 girlfriend anyone else still play recor [Re: rdrnr6970]
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I'm not playing them yet, but hopefully by the end of the week.

I brought this back from my moms over the summer and am currently restoring it. The new tubes and knobs should be here tomorrow.

Dad bought this new in 1949 just before he married mom. It was there sole evening entertainment until 1951 when they bought their TV set.

It only has 2 speeds 78 and 33. I have a stack of mom and Dads 78s and my old records so it looks like it's either going to be Big Band or Rock and Roll up

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#2414401 - 12/06/17 06:46 PM Re: Got record player 4 girlfriend anyone else still play recor [Re: rdrnr6970]
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That's cool Feets!

Is someone manufacturing tubes? I thought they were pretty darn hard to get--at least some of them.

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#2414439 - 12/06/17 07:29 PM Re: Got record player 4 girlfriend anyone else still play recor [Re: Blusmbl]
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The 45's are much cheaper to collect as well.


In the day, they were. Today, many tend to sell for big bucks. In the late '90s I sold my SubPop Nirvana single (their very first one - Love Buzz) for $500. Today, it's worth three times that amount. Ramones 45s tend to sell in the 25-75 dollar range, and sometimes more depending on the country of origin. Those first release 1970s punk singles have become really collectible, and the prices are getting a bit silly.
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#2414455 - 12/06/17 07:55 PM Re: Got record player 4 girlfriend anyone else still play recor [Re: rdrnr6970]
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I'm not feets grin

I don't know if anyone is making new tubes but it only took about 15 minuets to find all 6 of the tubes the unit takes. 4 NOS and 2 (supposedly) tested and good. All were under $10 each including shipping.

I even found the schematics and repair pamphlets for them.
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