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#2411205 - 11/30/17 09:20 AM Re: could Mark Worman leave the gap alone [Re: DAYCLONA]
65pacecar Offline
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Originally Posted By DAYCLONA
Originally Posted By 4406bbl
As far as I know creative supplied assembled nosecones to clairpoint, they did not install them. Fenders were installed on the line, before clairpoint.




The only time any "Superbird" (An actual 69 RR was used as the "buck") was at Creative Industries was initial mock up/prototype work


That would be a great tribute car to build. The 69 RR/Superbird Design exercise car. Even better if the original was dug up.


Edited by 65pacecar (11/30/17 09:21 AM)

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#2411239 - 11/30/17 10:08 AM Re: could Mark Worman leave the gap alone [Re: ScottSmith_Harms]
Neil Offline
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Originally Posted By ScottSmith_Harms
Low mile survivor Demon. Factory door to rocker gap. Fat fingers fit right through!


Note the orange peel finish as well. How many people would be happy if they had their car painted and it came back lumpy like that? The contemporary wetsanded and glossy smooth base-clear paint jobs are not what the factory delivered that's for sure.

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#2411253 - 11/30/17 10:25 AM Re: could Mark Worman leave the gap alone [Re: Neil]
DAYCLONA Offline
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Originally Posted By Neil
Originally Posted By ScottSmith_Harms
Low mile survivor Demon. Factory door to rocker gap. Fat fingers fit right through!


Note the orange peel finish as well. How many people would be happy if they had their car painted and it came back lumpy like that? The contemporary wetsanded and glossy smooth base-clear paint jobs are not what the factory delivered that's for sure.



Agreed! "OCD refurbishment" has been rampant in the restoration hobby the last few decades, ...just like the neatly detailed and tidy/organized engine compartments with "full" paint coverage on all the underhood components/driveline...they never looked that good back at "Day One"

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#2411257 - 11/30/17 10:30 AM Re: could Mark Worman leave the gap alone [Re: Spaceman Spiff]
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Originally Posted By Spaceman Spiff
No vinyl top?


Look closer, I think maybe it did have a vinyl top.

Bill

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#2411259 - 11/30/17 10:36 AM Re: could Mark Worman leave the gap alone [Re: theraif]
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The body of Superbirds were painted at Lynch Road in Enamel. Fenders, hood window plug installed and panted at Lynch Raod. They were missing only the special bird pieces like nose, fender scoops, and wing. As running & driving cars they were sent to clairpoint for these special parts installation, that were painted in lacquer. The paint didn't match too well and didn't hold up to time and elements like the rest of the car.

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#2411292 - 11/30/17 11:41 AM Re: could Mark Worman leave the gap alone [Re: 71birdJ68]
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Originally Posted By 71birdJ68
My 71 RR has a gap just like that at the bottom of the door. The bodies flexed, and had to have those kind of gaps.


Then why is there such a small gap between the door and 1/4? That area would see more flex then the bottom of the door.
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#2411293 - 11/30/17 11:42 AM Re: could Mark Worman leave the gap alone [Re: 340Cuda]
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Originally Posted By 340Cuda
Originally Posted By Spaceman Spiff
No vinyl top?


Look closer, I think maybe it did have a vinyl top.

Bill


ALL Superbirds had a black vinyl top.
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#2411316 - 11/30/17 12:37 PM Re: could Mark Worman leave the gap alone [Re: NANKET]
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in simpler times - assembly plant:
#1 - "A" = Lynch Rd. Detroit, MI (PLYMOUTHs)
#2 - "B" = Hamtramck, MI (DODGEs)
#3 - "C" = Jefferson Ave. Detroit, MI (CHRYSLERs/IMPERIALs)


Edited by 6bblgt (11/30/17 03:39 PM)
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#2411320 - 11/30/17 12:50 PM Re: could Mark Worman leave the gap alone [Re: theraif]
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If EVERY Superbird came from the factory with this particular gap issue then I could understand leaving it alone. But they didn't.
To me it's like a loose bolt, or crooked exhaust tip, fix it. Even if only by moving the door forward a bit to lessen the issue.

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#2411333 - 11/30/17 01:05 PM Re: could Mark Worman leave the gap alone [Re: NANKET]
DAYCLONA Offline
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Originally Posted By NANKET
The body of Superbirds were painted at Lynch Road in Enamel. Fenders, hood window plug installed and panted at Dodge Main. They were missing only the special bird pieces like nose, fender scoops, and wing. As running & driving cars they were sent to clairpoint for these special parts installation, that were painted in lacquer. The paint didn't match too well and didn't hold up to time and elements like the rest of the car.



here's a good read on Superbird assembly line procedures if interested? http://www.wwnboa.org/patik.htm

Mike

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#2411430 - 11/30/17 04:38 PM Re: could Mark Worman leave the gap alone [Re: theraif]
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Remember quality back in the day wasn't high priority. Look at some "cold fusion" welds on the uni-body. Every car was different. That being said it's not that big a deal to get the alignment pretty decent. Want it perfect? Weld some tig rod to the edge and then do some metal finishing. All personal taste, just like paint finish. The gap on the car shown could definitely be tightened up with nothing more than some adjustment and maybe a little hole elongation. Personally I like 'em slick. Even my racecar.
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#2411481 - 11/30/17 07:19 PM Re: could Mark Worman leave the gap alone [Re: ScottSmith_Harms]
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Originally Posted By ScottSmith_Harms
Low mile survivor Demon. Factory door to rocker gap. Fat fingers fit right through!


Yup doors are like that on mine as well. Car had 38000 miles and original paint on it when I got it.
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#2411606 - 11/30/17 10:08 PM Re: could Mark Worman leave the gap alone [Re: theraif]
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I was surprised at the pic Harms posted, then today, I checked the gap on my car, same thing, fingers easily inserted. Also worth mentioning is the radius of the door corner (behing scotts arthritic middle finger knuckle ;)) is much smaller than the radius of the rocker. It's almost as though the rocker forming dies were not designed with the door frame and skin available. Either that, or extra clearance for body twist in high hp cars?

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#2411624 - 11/30/17 10:46 PM Re: could Mark Worman leave the gap alone [Re: theraif]
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My 70 Coronet is original paint 45k mile car I bought from the original owner. When people see the car they comment on the panel fit, visible gaps under the vinyl top or quarter to rocker fit and of course the doors. People are so used to seeing an over restored car they can't believe they came this way from the factory.

But if you wanted to see true fitment and quality issues you should have worked new car prep at the local Plymouth dealer like I did in 77/78. We had the local PD contract for Fury's. What a disaster those things were!
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#2411644 - 11/30/17 11:16 PM Re: could Mark Worman leave the gap alone [Re: srt]
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Originally Posted By srt
I was surprised at the pic Harms posted, then today, I checked the gap on my car, same thing, fingers easily inserted. Also worth mentioning is the radius of the door corner (behing scotts arthritic middle finger knuckle ;)) is much smaller than the radius of the rocker. It's almost as though the rocker forming dies were not designed with the door frame and skin available. Either that, or extra clearance for body twist in high hp cars?


These cars were designed by hand on drafting boards. It is actually amazing that the parts fit together as well as they do. The engineers had absolutely no way to build computer models back in the 60's. The best they could do was print blueprints on vellum and lay them on top of each other to see the parts mated up.

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#2411649 - 11/30/17 11:22 PM Re: could Mark Worman leave the gap alone [Re: theraif]
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Also worth mentioning is the radius of the door corner (behing scotts arthritic middle finger knuckle ;))

I took the picture but not my hand in the door, mine look much worse LOL!

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#2413395 - 12/04/17 11:00 PM Re: could Mark Worman leave the gap alone [Re: theraif]
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Originally Posted By theraif
i think he would be panic hehehe


Mark who?

Doesn't everyone know that American reality TV is fake ?

Stop punching the camera, and put down the espresso..
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#2417648 - 12/12/17 08:01 PM Re: could Mark Worman leave the gap alone [Re: ScottSmith_Harms]
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Originally Posted By ScottSmith_Harms
Low mile survivor Demon. Factory door to rocker gap. Fat fingers fit right through!


This is bad! I've seen Scott's fingers. They are like little sausages.
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#2417709 - 12/12/17 09:41 PM Re: could Mark Worman leave the gap alone [Re: theraif]
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Quote:
This is bad! I've seen Scott's fingers. They are like little sausages.


Hey! I resemble that remark! LOL!

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#2419102 - 12/15/17 02:24 PM Re: could Mark Worman leave the gap alone [Re: ScottSmith_Harms]
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Originally Posted By ScottSmith_Harms
Quote:
This is bad! I've seen Scott's fingers. They are like little sausages.


Hey! I resemble that remark! LOL!


Whatcha got going on in the shop this winter, Scott? I need to come by!
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