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#2414051 - 12/06/17 12:36 AM Re: The Pro Stock circus continues [Re: StealthWedge67]
cudadoug Offline
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Originally Posted By StealthWedge67
Personally, I think Pro-Stock died years ago when the body's became carbon fiber blobs with decals loosely resembling something offered by Chevrolet or Dodge. I'm not sure it can be saved by anything at this point.

I'd like to see Factory Stock take the spotlight. If they had to even the field, a weight minimum dictated solely by aero drag coefficient, keeping the cars in bone-stock Sheetmetal, with a factory built chassis and engine combination is something I'd like to see.


On a unrelated note, GREAT signature pic!

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#2414159 - 12/06/17 10:28 AM Re: The Pro Stock circus continues [Re: pittsburghracer]
Al_Alguire Offline


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The blocks and heads were REQUIRED to have a factory stamped part number for use in Pro Stock, unless that has changed in the very very recent past. The stuff I had all had Mopar part numbers in the head and on the block. My car also has Mopar part numbers on the entire thing, body, trunk, doors, dash etc. Don't mean much as they submit the parts for NHRA approval and once given they are produced. Same thing happened with the Eicke stuff. The were not the direct Pontiac parts, they casting was changed to make them have a Siamesed exhaust port like a factory head. Just as the latest "Hemi" run in Pro Stock is not a Hemi...

As for the comment is the current Pro Stock internals were laid out on a table I doubt most anyone here could identify them unless they had seen them previously. Age would mean nothing.
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#2414214 - 12/06/17 11:51 AM Re: The Pro Stock circus continues [Re: pittsburghracer]
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I would bet you will not see 1 Ford or 1 Mopar out there this yr with a GM motor its pro chevy camaro AJ and his dad and Mopar talked to NHRA about prostock and they wanted no part of what Mopar was asking for so they said see you later Just let it die

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#2414373 - 12/06/17 05:40 PM Re: The Pro Stock circus continues [Re: Spaceman Spiff]
actionange Offline
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Originally Posted By Spaceman Spiff
Originally Posted By SportF
They fowled up Pro stock when they allowed Grummpy's tube chassis V-8 Vega to run, and every body else had a factory bodied car.


you mean like the four link, acid dipped bodied, dusters with hemis?


Oh you forgot the Lenco trans

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#2414379 - 12/06/17 05:50 PM Re: The Pro Stock circus continues [Re: pittsburghracer]
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It's a good idea. Cunningham, Patrick and those Ford guys can run cool looking Mustangs and be competitive.
Cunningham passed away a few years ago.

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#2414443 - 12/06/17 07:42 PM Re: The Pro Stock circus continues [Re: scottb]
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Originally Posted By scottb
I would bet you will not see 1 Ford or 1 Mopar out there this yr with a GM motor its pro chevy camaro AJ and his dad and Mopar talked to NHRA about prostock and they wanted no part of what Mopar was asking for so they said see you later Just let it die


I think you'll see a couple chevy powered darts, purely because they could be picked up cheap(ish) and they are pretty slick.

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#2414502 - 12/06/17 09:45 PM Re: The Pro Stock circus continues [Re: B1MAXX]
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Originally Posted By B1MAXX
Great more uninformed people on the planet (or the same amount with with more ammo).......I can hear them now boy those Toyota's really run. Just another reduction to the intelligence for the almighty dollar. I have good friend that swears that Top fuel engines are Chevy because of the advertising on the body. Even after showing him the pics of that teams engine. Ever listen to stock car racing fans talk about their favorite Ford, Chevy, or Toyota. Exactly why I haven't watched any professional racing on TV for almost 2 decades. Heck I usually don't even read these post about them. I would love to watch some bracket, sportsman, or swamp-buggy racing any day. But for some reason they won't show that. Man I miss Sundays with Diamond P sports on TNN bawling . I know times have changed.....





Ever look at John Force's funny car engine? say's Chevrolet right on top of the valve cover, got to believe that right? LOL
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#2414586 - 12/07/17 06:24 AM Re: The Pro Stock circus continues [Re: pittsburghracer]
Happy Birthday Spaceman Spiff Offline
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#2414620 - 12/07/17 08:45 AM Re: The Pro Stock circus continues [Re: rowin4]
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Just when you think NHRA couldn't do anything any dumber, THEY GO OUT AND TOTALLY REDEEM THEMSELVES !! Just my opinion, they should have to use FACTORY Steel roof and quarter panels and motor combination that is currently offered in a PRODUCTION vehicle let them run the factory super chargers or turbos of that manufacture. After all it's supposed to be pro STOCK !! Ok now I'll shut up. NHRA pro stock is now pronounced dead.

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#2414624 - 12/07/17 08:55 AM Re: The Pro Stock circus continues [Re: actionange]
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Originally Posted By actionange
Originally Posted By Spaceman Spiff
Originally Posted By SportF
They fowled up Pro stock when they allowed Grummpy's tube chassis V-8 Vega to run, and every body else had a factory bodied car.


you mean like the four link, acid dipped bodied, dusters with hemis?


Oh you forgot the Lenco trans
Tube chassis Dusters where not allowed until a year after Jenkin's Funny car Vega and they had to carry a .50 lb per c.i. weight penalty with a Hemi which was changed to .75 half way through the next season.

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#2414837 - 12/07/17 03:36 PM Re: The Pro Stock circus continues [Re: StealthWedge67]
BobR Offline
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Pro Stock sucks to watch because it has no power adders. 6.50 1/4 mile? Oh boy! 213 mph? My car goes 205 to the 1/8th. And it costs a fortune to be that unimpressive. Pro Mod is the next big thing but the NHRA is already messing with that. Spectators love nitro and the sound big power turbo cars make. The rest is just time fillers.

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#2414891 - 12/07/17 05:10 PM Re: The Pro Stock circus continues [Re: BobR]
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And on the opposite note, power adders are VERY predictable and SHOULD go that fast.........500 cubes all motor, let that sink in plus w/enuff $$$ all of us can make just about anything fly........... twocents

Look at the Oklahoma Outlaws now, big $$$, fast et's WHEN they can get down the road/track and where does it end and how many more crashes will need to take place before people realize you can buy/build endless power which eventually can and will kill you........... beer
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#2415067 - 12/07/17 11:15 PM Re: The Pro Stock circus continues [Re: BobR]
Dave Hall Offline
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I'm impressed! shruggy

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#2415161 - 12/08/17 09:11 AM Re: The Pro Stock circus continues [Re: pittsburghracer]
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You and me noth Dave. Anyone who plays in an NA world and is not impressed by 500 cubes at 2350lbs running 6.50's is nuts....
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#2415178 - 12/08/17 09:45 AM Re: The Pro Stock circus continues [Re: Thumperdart]
Happy Birthday Spaceman Spiff Offline
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Originally Posted By Thumperdart
And on the opposite note, power adders are VERY predictable and SHOULD go that fast.........500 cubes all motor, let that sink in plus w/enuff $$$ all of us can make just about anything fly........... twocents

Look at the Oklahoma Outlaws now, big $$$, fast et's WHEN they can get down the road/track and where does it end and how many more crashes will need to take place before people realize you can buy/build endless power which eventually can and will kill you........... beer


Power adders are far from predictable. Not many N/A cars are just starting to lift the wheels at the 330 mark, or start to lose traction at half track.
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#2415194 - 12/08/17 10:12 AM Re: The Pro Stock circus continues [Re: Spaceman Spiff]
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If I was still interested in Pro Stock (which i haven't been since the dodge boys days)

I would like to see basically the pro stock truck smallblock motors limited to about 370" (6.2-ish litres) with no RPM limits and in Carbon Fiber but all stock/oem dimension bodies. If they whine about standard overhangs, go to a rollout type double trigger light where it has to be off the wheels (similar to the starting line) You could run a Challenger....or a Dart, a Mustang or a Fusion, a Camaro or a whatever. That to me would be far more exciting and interesting to watch and would be more or less back to the early 80's concept of Pro-stock.

won't happen, but it's a nice dream.
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#2415202 - 12/08/17 10:27 AM Re: The Pro Stock circus continues [Re: pittsburghracer]
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Well here is some insight from someone who ran the class for a very very long time on the new rules package.

https://www.nhra.com/news/2017/pro-stock-legend-johnson-shares-his-thoughts-2018-pro-stock-rules
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#2415206 - 12/08/17 10:36 AM Re: The Pro Stock circus continues [Re: pittsburghracer]
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The same guy who thought EFI and losing the hood scoops would save the class now thinks essentially a spec engine will save the class.

Wrong again WJ.
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#2415223 - 12/08/17 11:02 AM Re: The Pro Stock circus continues [Re: madscientist]
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Wonder if (conversely, as WJ pointed out) somebody like KB start tinkering with the Hemi? I know both Line and Anderson have Mopar history going way back.
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#2415245 - 12/08/17 11:39 AM Re: The Pro Stock circus continues [Re: madscientist]
Happy Birthday Spaceman Spiff Offline
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Originally Posted By madscientist
The same guy who thought EFI and losing the hood scoops would save the class now thinks essentially a spec engine will save the class.

Wrong again WJ.


Considering this was done because it’s what the teams asked for, I’d take the opinion of someone who actually competed in the class for 40 years, over that of the fans.
Personally, I think pro STOCK died in about 1973.
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