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#2413574 - 12/05/17 11:33 AM Re: The Pro Stock circus continues [Re: B1MAXX]
cudaman1969 Offline
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Originally Posted By B1MAXX
Great more uninformed people on the planet (or the same amount with with more ammo).......I can hear them now boy those Toyota's really run. Just another reduction to the intelligence for the almighty dollar. I have good friend that swears that Top fuel engines are Chevy because of the advertising on the body. Even after showing him the pics of that teams engine. Ever listen to stock car racing fans talk about their favorite Ford, Chevy, or Toyota. Exactly why I haven't watched any professional racing on TV for almost 2 decades. Heck I usually don't even read these post about them. I would love to watch some bracket, sportsman, or swamp-buggy racing any day. But for some reason they won't show that. Man I miss Sundays with Diamond P sports on TNN bawling . I know times have changed.....

I agree, the same as everything else today, repeating what they hear, with no understanding what so ever of the topic. Back in the day you found out what was right before you spouted off like an idiot. We where car junkies, not game boys. As far as Toyota, the other three can get off their butts and spend the jack to compete, they're still living on last years fame, plus the "owner" we have at FCA is out to lunch and going back to V6s and 4 cyl, full circle back to the wonderful years.

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#2413584 - 12/05/17 11:51 AM Re: The Pro Stock circus continues [Re: cudaman1969]
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Really?!? The future is in 4 cylinder turbo cars and electric, the days of V8 muscle will end when this current crop of muscle cars are done in the next couple of years. work
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#2413592 - 12/05/17 12:07 PM Re: The Pro Stock circus continues [Re: Rhinodart]
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Originally Posted By Rhinodart
Really?!? The future is in 4 cylinder turbo cars and electric, the days of V8 muscle will end when this current crop of muscle cars are done in the next couple of years. work



Glad I won't be around to see that future.

Truly we are devolving.
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#2413610 - 12/05/17 12:38 PM Re: The Pro Stock circus continues [Re: madscientist]
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The only reason I can think of for the teams asking for this is so they can possibly go for more MFG moneys since Chevy's marketing "pot" split 16 ways probably isn't enough to buy spark plugs for a season.

But what MFG is going to offer up sponsorship $$ in PRO STOCK when everything is a GM motor.... Top fuel and Funny Car all run mopar motors and there's not really enough $$$ in it for GM or Ford to justify spending $$$ for a brand specific block and heads...is there? Maybe when Force did the re-badged ford Hemi is somehow talked them into that? but not for pro-stock.
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#2413642 - 12/05/17 01:31 PM Re: The Pro Stock circus continues [Re: pittsburghracer]
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I know when I think of the epitome of the pure iconic American muscle car....... Camry is right there at the top of the list.
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#2413690 - 12/05/17 02:48 PM Re: The Pro Stock circus continues [Re: fast68plymouth]
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Originally Posted By fast68plymouth
I know when I think of the epitome of the pure iconic American muscle car....... Camry is right there at the top of the list.


Years ago when the Camry was first introduced the local toyota dealer was on the radio advertising them as "the toyota cam ray". What a dufus.

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#2413708 - 12/05/17 03:17 PM Re: The Pro Stock circus continues [Re: pittsburghracer]
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In the south it's called Tiota, or Tiyota, some pronounce the y, some don't, like root one or route one (the highway)

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#2413722 - 12/05/17 03:41 PM Re: The Pro Stock circus continues [Re: pittsburghracer]
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Personally, I think Pro-Stock died years ago when the body's became carbon fiber blobs with decals loosely resembling something offered by Chevrolet or Dodge. I'm not sure it can be saved by anything at this point.

I'd like to see Factory Stock take the spotlight. If they had to even the field, a weight minimum dictated solely by aero drag coefficient, keeping the cars in bone-stock Sheetmetal, with a factory built chassis and engine combination is something I'd like to see.
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#2413728 - 12/05/17 03:46 PM Re: The Pro Stock circus continues [Re: StealthWedge67]
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Basically funny cars with doors and gasoline now. Will not change the landscape much in the near future. The last Dodge after Allen was switching anyhow. Maybe Wescott will get back into it. Still has the car I think.

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#2413738 - 12/05/17 04:08 PM Re: The Pro Stock circus continues [Re: Spaceman Spiff]
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Originally Posted By Spaceman Spiff
The teams are the ones that asked for this. What it does, is allow teams to choose what engine, in what aero package ( body) they think will work best.

This sounds like an act of incredible desperation... and I expect the class is still effing doomed by EOY 2018.
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#2413800 - 12/05/17 05:26 PM Re: The Pro Stock circus continues [Re: pittsburghracer]
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I like it. This will allow Ford and Mopar to participate as sponsors without having to deal with the exorbitant costs of PS engine development. PS engines are freaks that bear no resemblance or commonality (other than name) to anything I will ever own, so my brand loyalty in that respect is weak at best.

Heck, I would venture a guess that if you took all 3 PS engines apart and set all the parts out, most guys couldn't tell what was "GM", "Ford" or "Mopar" anyway.
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#2413815 - 12/05/17 05:45 PM Re: The Pro Stock circus continues [Re: pittsburghracer]
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"Heck, I would venture a guess that if you took all 3 PS engines apart and set all the parts out, most guys couldn't tell what was "GM", "Ford" or "Mopar" anyway."

That depends on how old you are, over 50, you can tell. THAT is the problem today with all forms of racing. As memory's fade, so does the why of what it once was all about.


Edited by cudaman1969 (12/05/17 05:46 PM)

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#2413844 - 12/05/17 06:48 PM Re: The Pro Stock circus continues [Re: pittsburghracer]
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They fowled up Pro stock when they allowed Grummpy's tube chassis V-8 Vega to run, and every body else had a factory bodied car.

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#2413866 - 12/05/17 07:25 PM Re: The Pro Stock circus continues [Re: BradH]
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Originally Posted By BradH
Originally Posted By Spaceman Spiff
The teams are the ones that asked for this. What it does, is allow teams to choose what engine, in what aero package ( body) they think will work best.

This sounds like an act of incredible desperation... and I expect the class is still effing doomed by EOY 2018.



The big teams that are running are a millionaires club, that want to keep playing in their sandpit.
All that aside, these teams employ many staff to run their operation, if they stop racing Pro Stock, you'll have plenty of folks looking for a job. Some of the engine guys may stay on, but I can understand why the teams are trying to stay racing.

On various Facebook posts regarding this news, a lot of people are wanting Pro Mod to take it's place, some getting behind the factory based stuff. If Pro Stock goes, I'm not sure either will get up
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#2413898 - 12/05/17 08:16 PM Re: The Pro Stock circus continues [Re: SportF]
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Originally Posted By SportF
They fowled up Pro stock when they allowed Grummpy's tube chassis V-8 Vega to run, and every body else had a factory bodied car.


you mean like the four link, acid dipped bodied, dusters with hemis?
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#2413939 - 12/05/17 09:00 PM Re: The Pro Stock circus continues [Re: LA360]
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Originally Posted By LA360
Originally Posted By BradH
Originally Posted By Spaceman Spiff
The teams are the ones that asked for this. What it does, is allow teams to choose what engine, in what aero package ( body) they think will work best.

This sounds like an act of incredible desperation... and I expect the class is still effing doomed by EOY 2018.



The big teams that are running are a millionaires club, that want to keep playing in their sandpit.
All that aside, these teams employ many staff to run their operation, if they stop racing Pro Stock, you'll have plenty of folks looking for a job. Some of the engine guys may stay on, but I can understand why the teams are trying to stay racing.

On various Facebook posts regarding this news, a lot of people are wanting Pro Mod to take it's place, some getting behind the factory based stuff. If Pro Stock goes, I'm not sure either will get up



Most of the PM guys don't want to run a 24 event season. They are happy running part time. Make it a full series and many of them won't make all the races.

IMO, they need to scrap the EFI, or at least let carbs run with them, because that was a giant flop. Get rid of the rev limiter, because it didn't bring in a single new competitor. Hood scoop or no hood scoop.

Run PM at half the races and PS at the other half and have 3 races a year where they both compete. Say...the Winternationals, Indy and the Finals. That would be 15 races a year for each class.
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#2413982 - 12/05/17 09:49 PM Re: The Pro Stock circus continues [Re: pittsburghracer]
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There hasn't been anything "stock" in Pro Stock since the first couple years. Also, weren't the Eicke Mopar years run with his lectover Pontiac motors?

I love the technology in P/S, but it's so outof control I rarely watch anymore.
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#2413994 - 12/05/17 10:07 PM Re: The Pro Stock circus continues [Re: Dave Hall]
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Originally Posted By Dave Hall
It's a good idea. Cunningham, Patrick and those Ford guys can run cool looking Mustangs and be competitive. Same with Kramer and guys running Darts. Makes more money for the GM engine guys as they will have engines in everything. Racing is racing. This allows everyone with a pocketbook to be competitive and race the brand car that they want. The only thing that I'm sure will absolutely DESTROY my love for it is when someone shows up in a Camry.


I think it is a joke. What made Pro stock great was the different manufactures competing against each other. NOW it is nothing more than carburetor on a Funny Car.
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#2414018 - 12/05/17 10:52 PM Re: The Pro Stock circus continues [Re: slantzilla]
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Hence the birth of the predator cyl. head. Along with Nickens. I believe that the rule when they were running is that the engine case casting had to have (same as the car) factory Pt. #'s. They must have been lenient with cyl. heads and let them use a sharpie. apimp

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#2414044 - 12/05/17 11:57 PM Re: The Pro Stock circus continues [Re: madscientist]
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Originally Posted By madscientist



Most of the PM guys don't want to run a 24 event season. They are happy running part time. Make it a full series and many of them won't make all the races.

IMO, they need to scrap the EFI, or at least let carbs run with them, because that was a giant flop. Get rid of the rev limiter, because it didn't bring in a single new competitor. Hood scoop or no hood scoop.

Run PM at half the races and PS at the other half and have 3 races a year where they both compete. Say...the Winternationals, Indy and the Finals. That would be 15 races a year for each class.


More logic right there in one internet post than NHRA has shown in years.
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