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#2412731 - 12/03/17 02:56 PM Re: CDL-they are changing the rules and many will be effected!! [Re: hemi-itis]
Al_Alguire Offline


Registered: 01/20/03
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Loc: Rockville MD & Las Vegas
Well just a couple points. The guy stopping you has not one clue whether you are writing off expenses or not. As a business or as personal income/hobby losses. SO they will call it as they see it, period. Been there done that. Usually it is up to their discretion whether they see it as commercial or not. Even if it is a 3/4 ton truck and an 18' open trailer. As that reads if you can even possibly be compensated, IE winnings at a race or in some states even a trophy then you CAN be classified as commercial since there is a possibility of some form of compensation.

This whole deal is a mess. I suggest like others here. Don't act like an idiot, drive responsibly and vigilantly. Dont do anything that will attract attention to yourself. If you can be informed about what the state you are licensed in requires then all the better. However what was referenced here is federal DOT law, on top of what state requirements are. I dropped my CDL long long ago. I don't really want to have one again but at the rate things are going it may have to happen. If you want to change this stuff, first off good luck, government rarely goes backward with regulation. Write you congressman or senator and express your concern. Also SEMS and NHRA are about the only people lobbying on our behalf for change or a calming of regulation..
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#2412732 - 12/03/17 02:58 PM Re: CDL-they are changing the rules and many will be effected!! [Re: hemi-itis]
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From the article...
“ Question 21: Does the exemption in §390.3(f)(3) for the “occasional transportation of personal property by individuals not for compensation nor in the furtherance of a commercial enterprise” apply to persons who occasionally use CMVs to transport cars, boats, horses, etc., to races, tournaments, shows or similar events, even if prize money is offered at these events?

Guidance: The exemption would apply to this kind of transportation, provided: (1) The underlying activities are not undertaken for profit, i.e., (a) prize money is declared as ordinary income for tax purposes, and (b) the cost of the underlying activities is not deducted as a business expense for tax purposes; and, where relevant; (2) corporate sponsorship is not involved. Drivers must confer with their State of licensure to determine the licensing provisions to which they are subject.”

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#2412739 - 12/03/17 03:13 PM Re: CDL-they are changing the rules and many will be effected!! [Re: sgcuda]
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Originally Posted By sgcuda
I'm sorry, but I don't see the big deal. If you have the money for a full tractor, a triple axle trailer, 2 race cars, an ATV, and full support equipment, how much inconvenience can their really be in a tracking device. The relative expense doesn't seem like it should be a lot. Keep accurate records of change in drivers to justify going over their recording limits, and you should be fine.


Just a comment...okay? My 2010 2500 Cummins with my flatbed car trailer and a 'B' body on it, I gross out at nearly 15,000 lbs. Just a bit over 10,000 lbs.
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#2412755 - 12/03/17 03:47 PM Re: CDL-they are changing the rules and many will be effected!! [Re: 6PakBee]
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Registered: 01/20/03
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Loc: Plymouth, MI
Originally Posted By 6PakBee
Just a comment...okay? My 2010 2500 Cummins with my flatbed car trailer and a 'B' body on it, I gross out at nearly 15,000 lbs. Just a bit over 10,000 lbs.


Pretty sure the federal law is if you have a truck with a gross combined weight rating over 26,000 pounds, and the trailer you are towing is over 10,000 pounds, you need a class A CDL. If just the truck has a gross vehicle weight rating of over 26,000 pounds you also need a CDL but it doesn't have to be a class A. Your 2500 with a B body on an open trailer is not CDL territory.

The police officer that pulls you over will be the one deciding if what you're doing counts as for profit or interstate commerce. That's where the real problem lies.

I will say I got my class A with air brake endorsement a month ago for work, but I still wouldn't feel comfortable yet driving a conventional 18 wheeler/40 ton rig. Most of what I tow is just over the CDL threshold.
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#2412765 - 12/03/17 04:14 PM Re: CDL-they are changing the rules and many will be effected!! [Re: hemi-itis]
cudaman1969 Offline
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Just thought of something, maybe this will force us to go back to the good old days with a pickup or car towing an open trailer, no land cruise ships on wheels. That's one of the reasons it's hard to get into a Natioal event, no parking.

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#2412773 - 12/03/17 04:32 PM Re: CDL-they are changing the rules and many will be effected!! [Re: hemi-itis]
nss guy Offline
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so a 5000lb (1/2 ton) truck and a 24ft trailer with nothing in but a 3500lb race car, thinking total race car and trailer 9000lbs do I need a cdl?? 15000 lbs at the most total.


Edited by nss guy (12/03/17 04:33 PM)

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#2412776 - 12/03/17 04:40 PM Re: CDL-they are changing the rules and many will be effected!! [Re: hemi-itis]
Medlock51 Offline
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After going thru all the crap associated with a sleep study I decided I didn't want the Feds in my bedroom and gave up my tier 4 license and downgraded to tier 1 intrastate only. 45 years and 4 1/4 million miles... got nothing to prove anymore. Now I drive two to three days per week and sleep at home...piss on them.

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#2412777 - 12/03/17 04:41 PM Re: CDL-they are changing the rules and many will be effected!! [Re: nss guy]
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26k or air brakes...

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#2412780 - 12/03/17 04:51 PM Re: CDL-they are changing the rules and many will be effected!! [Re: hemi-itis]
Dave Hall Offline
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I think we are missing the issue here a bit. The electronic log is the issue. I'm pretty sure that a dually and a 24' enclosed trailer are over the CDL limit but in California you are already paying for the pickup in reg. fees. If you get pulled over or a cop pulls up when you have a flat or something, I would tend to think that they don't care so much about a guy in a motor home or pickup traveling to or from an event. What they care about is where you are coming from and where you are going and how much time you are spending on the road. I recently went from California to Springfield Missouri in my dually for the Thanksgiving week. I saw two truck accidents. All I could tell is that the ops fell asleep. No other vehicles involved. It's the time behind the wheel that they are trying to regulate. Rightly so. Does anyone really want or need to drive more than 11 hours in a 24 hour period?

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#2412811 - 12/03/17 06:01 PM Re: CDL-they are changing the rules and many will be effected!! [Re: Dave Hall]
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Registered: 01/20/03
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Been trailering cars for 40 years now. I had a CDL for a while but dropped it last year after the new rules went into affect here in the godless state of Illinoise. tsk I have driven a vehicle that was 89' long, 45' Freightliner motorhome with 44' 4-car stacker across the county dozes of times, as well as a dually with a 53' fifth wheel trailer. I can tell you this, State laws trump Federal laws, that is FOR SURE! work The absolute WORST states to tow through are Pennsylvania and New Mexico, with Kalifornika a close third. mad PA has a law that states the tow vehicle license MUST have a weight rating equal to the truck and trailer, and all states have length limits. Only had problems with PA and CA, had to pay a fine for over length in PA for every mile I drove on the turnpike. CA has a 65' limit and they were trying to figure out how to tow me to impound, and couldn't do it so they let me drive it out of the state and told me to never come back! laugh2 Of course I did come back several times in the wee hours of the morning... whistling The new rules will make me never get a CDL again, and all my trucks and trailers will have RV plates on them from now on, IL has them and it keeps you from getting pulled over, been running them for decades now. That is why I have a cap on my truck and an LQ trailer if I am pulling more than 10K lbs. wave
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#2412826 - 12/03/17 06:36 PM Re: CDL-they are changing the rules and many will be effected!! [Re: Rhinodart]
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Pa has been rough since we had two landscape trailers break loose and kill people. My fingers were crossed every week driving up route 22 going to Keystone as that was a big area for checks. My 24 foot enclosed trailer only had 3500 pound axles (7000 pounds) so with my Duster, quad, fuel, tools, cabinets, and everything else I was way over-loaded. My new 26 footer is titled just under 10,000 pounds so that helps some.
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#2412860 - 12/03/17 08:17 PM Re: CDL-they are changing the rules and many will be effected!! [Re: hemi-itis]
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Registered: 10/09/08
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At least in PA, weight /truck/truck-trailer checks are money maker for local townships. The state began training the locals for several years. Usually when they write a ticket you can't argue the point and they know it. This goes for state and local police.If you've been ticketed, it can be VERY expensive. Most are looking for lettered trucks and tractor/trailers. Flying under the radar helps. So does how the truck/trailer combo is registered. Joe Smith can fly but Joe Smith Inc, LLC, or anything else that denotes commercial enterprise. You can thank landscape companies for the strict enforcements. Poor maintenance and overloaded trailers flying down the road with undocumented drivers. Ask drives from TX,AZ,MN, etc. and they will tell you about accidents where the driver has no ID or insurance.Last year at the SEMA show they were discussing this issue and had information. This crackdown has a direct effect on racing industry and SEMA was trying to address it. 2008-2016 were bad years for everything except layers and fees.

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#2412935 - 12/04/17 12:00 AM Re: CDL-they are changing the rules and many will be effected!! [Re: Medlock51]
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Originally Posted By Medlock51
After going thru all the crap associated with a sleep study I decided I didn't want the Feds in my bedroom and gave up my tier 4 license and downgraded to tier 1 intrastate only. 45 years and 4 1/4 million miles... got nothing to prove anymore. Now I drive two to three days per week and sleep at home...piss on them.


Part of this recent change includes lower blood pressure numbers.The new rule made me fail the physical.I have 3 monthes to find some neds to lower my BP for at least a one year physical.The youngins in good shape get 2 years.
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#2412937 - 12/04/17 12:09 AM Re: CDL-they are changing the rules and many will be effected!! [Re: hemi-itis]
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Originally Posted By hemi-itis
Originally Posted By Medlock51
After going thru all the crap associated with a sleep study I decided I didn't want the Feds in my bedroom and gave up my tier 4 license and downgraded to tier 1 intrastate only. 45 years and 4 1/4 million miles... got nothing to prove anymore. Now I drive two to three days per week and sleep at home...piss on them.


Part of this recent change includes lower blood pressure numbers.The new rule made me fail the physical.I have 3 monthes to find some neds to lower my BP for at least a one year physical.The youngins in good shape get 2 years.

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#2412950 - 12/04/17 12:59 AM Re: CDL-they are changing the rules and many will be effected!! [Re: EV2Bird]
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#2412951 - 12/04/17 01:02 AM Re: CDL-they are changing the rules and many will be effected!! [Re: hemi-itis]
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Loc: Park Forest, IL
Originally Posted By hemi-itis

Part of this recent change includes lower blood pressure numbers.The new rule made me fail the physical.I have 3 monthes to find some neds to lower my BP for at least a one year physical.The youngins in good shape get 2 years.


If I may ask, what are the BP numbers they want now?
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#2412952 - 12/04/17 01:16 AM Re: CDL-they are changing the rules and many will be effected!! [Re: hemi-itis]
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Registered: 12/24/05
Posts: 187
Loc: CA
If it is like what happened to my uncle with a [censored] cop. Expect all your fees to go up also. 99 F550 12' flatbed on it. Towing a steam train to a meet. Cop pulls him over saying he is missing his commercial plates. It is not a business. Truck is for hobby. Didn't matter. By the time the cop and court got done with him. Was now Dot number on door, weight fee, license fee increased and now classified as commercial vehicle plus insurance went up. We asked other cops about it and they said he had no right and we were okay before for hobby use. Commercial cop didn't see it this way though. Now log book also just be be okay. Doubt we would every have an issue again but if we had one bad cop we may get another. Welcome to some of the jerk cops we have here in California.

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#2412967 - 12/04/17 05:11 AM Re: CDL-they are changing the rules and many will be effected!! [Re: Dave Hall]
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Originally Posted By Dave Hall
I think we are missing the issue here a bit. The electronic log is the issue. I'm pretty sure that a dually and a 24' enclosed trailer are over the CDL limit but in California you are already paying for the pickup in reg. fees. If you get pulled over or a cop pulls up when you have a flat or something, I would tend to think that they don't care so much about a guy in a motor home or pickup traveling to or from an event. What they care about is where you are coming from and where you are going and how much time you are spending on the road. I recently went from California to Springfield Missouri in my dually for the Thanksgiving week. I saw two truck accidents. All I could tell is that the ops fell asleep. No other vehicles involved. It's the time behind the wheel that they are trying to regulate. Rightly so. Does anyone really want or need to drive more than 11 hours in a 24 hour period?


It's more than just the 11 hours it's the inflexibility of the rules". 14 hour work day...

Say I'm sick and need more rest.. or I didn't sleep well the prior night. If I nap within the first two hours of my shift that break doesn't count...I still am forced to take another 30 minutes between the fifth and eighth hour on duty. If I take a break between the second and fifth hour then I have to take a second break around the 11th "on duty" hour.

You can't stop the clock....say you crawl out of the sleeper at 5am to go to the track....you get there at nine. Your day starts at 5.... you get done racing at 5pm... you have 12 hours on the clock and it takes more than two hours to get home you have to take a 10 hour breakbefore you can get home! It's a mess.

Many drivers are forced to work terrible hours because you can't stop that clock... you must drive even if tired because you have to get your miles in before your break.

Cicadium rythems be damned... I don't give a rats *ss anymore... I sleep when I'm tired.


Edited by Medlock51 (12/04/17 05:12 AM)

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#2412969 - 12/04/17 06:00 AM Re: CDL-they are changing the rules and many will be effected!! [Re: slantzilla]
mopar dave Offline
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Its now 130 over 80. Was 145 over 90. I may be in trouble. I hear blueberrys are the best thing for lowering blood pressure.

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#2412984 - 12/04/17 07:54 AM Re: CDL-they are changing the rules and many will be effected!! [Re: mopar dave]
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If I don't have high blood pressure then I must be dead. It runs in my family, and my grandpa died at 94 and dad at 88 both with high blood pressure. It is all bogus if you ask me, hand me the salt! punkrocka
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