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#2406442 - 11/20/17 02:41 PM Recreation fuel, what is it exactly?
MI_Custumz Offline
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I see 89 octane Recreation Fuel ($3.379 a gallon) locally and regular gas 87 ($2.479), 89 ($2.779), and 93 ($3.079) at the same station. What exactly is recreation fuel? Someone on a local facebook page said it's regular leaded gas, others say zero ethanol, others say not suitable for cars but more for small engines around the house, and others say it's fine to run in a car. I usually run 93 octane premium in my classic, would this be fine or stick with 93 octane? Could someone educate me on this? I currently use seafoam for storage in all small engines and classic (instead of sta-bil) and startron in the 5 gallon jugs for small engines around the house.

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#2406447 - 11/20/17 02:58 PM Re: Recreation fuel, what is it exactly? [Re: MI_Custumz]
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Never seen it advertised, but it's likely for lawn mowers, boats, etc. If that is the case they might not let you fill up your car with it?

There are a couple Union 76 stations here that sell ethanol free gas, but the price is so much higher than the 10% ethanol blends the other stations sell that it's not worth it.

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#2406453 - 11/20/17 03:13 PM Re: Recreation fuel, what is it exactly? [Re: MI_Custumz]
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I have been using the "canned" fuel for my weedeater, blower, and chainsaw... Works great, and I don't have a can of "premix" sitting around going bad... Yes, its spendy.

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#2406482 - 11/20/17 04:35 PM Re: Recreation fuel, what is it exactly? [Re: MI_Custumz]
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It's alcohol free fuel. Cars are designed to run on it just fine. It may not however have some of the additive package typically found in pump gas.
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#2406832 - 11/21/17 11:37 AM Re: Recreation fuel, what is it exactly? [Re: MI_Custumz]
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Rec fuel is simply unleaded gas without any ethanol additive. This is ALL I will run in my 2016 392 Challenger, my bass boat, & all my power equipment. No problems or issues at all. I do NOT want to store anything just sitting with 10% ethanol in the tank to separate & have all the ethanol go to the bottom! Ethanol should not have ever been added to gas!
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#2406844 - 11/21/17 11:52 AM Re: Recreation fuel, what is it exactly? [Re: MI_Custumz]
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#2406854 - 11/21/17 12:10 PM Re: Recreation fuel, what is it exactly? [Re: MI_Custumz]
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I have been using the "canned" fuel for my weedeater, blower, and chainsaw... Works great, and I don't have a can of "premix" sitting around going bad... Yes, its spendy.
That`s what I use too. No more gummed up crap.

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#2406855 - 11/21/17 12:14 PM Re: Recreation fuel, what is it exactly? [Re: mopars4ever]
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I just went out to Phoenix from Chicago and filled-up at several Love's stations that had 100% gas, no difference in price from ethanol unleaded. I got SIGNIFICANTLY better mileage with it towing a 24' enclosed! We are talking 2 MPG! I wish it were in stations around here, I would pay more for it for sure!
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#2406915 - 11/21/17 02:16 PM Re: Recreation fuel, what is it exactly? [Re: Rhinodart]
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After their remodel my local station has the "rec" fuel at 4 pumps....It's all I use in my small engines.

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#2406945 - 11/21/17 03:36 PM Re: Recreation fuel, what is it exactly? [Re: MI_Custumz]
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Gas stations must see money in it or they wouldn`t do it.

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#2407284 - 11/22/17 08:40 AM Re: Recreation fuel, what is it exactly? [Re: Abodysforever]
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Originally Posted By Abodysforever
Beer

up my thoughts exactly !
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#2407305 - 11/22/17 09:11 AM Re: Recreation fuel, what is it exactly? [Re: MI_Custumz]
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We must be spoiled here in central wi as every station sells ethanol free gas.

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#2407312 - 11/22/17 09:23 AM Re: Recreation fuel, what is it exactly? [Re: MI_Custumz]
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I was expecting about a 3% difference in fuel economy before i tried buying some "pure gas" without ethanol. I got 12% better on the first trial, was surprised, tried a second trial, and again got more than 10% better.

To do a more accurate trial two vehicles should be used convoy style,
and the same gasoline from the same pump should be the "base fuel"
with pure ethanol added to create the "gasohol".
This method would closer to apples to apples comparison.

These big cities and "me too" states demanding special gasoline blends for allegedly better air should instead be forced to sell only E85 inside their boundaries.

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#2407369 - 11/22/17 11:37 AM Re: Recreation fuel, what is it exactly? [Re: 360view]
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Originally Posted By 360view
I was expecting about a 3% difference in fuel economy before i tried buying some "pure gas" without ethanol. I got 12% better on the first trial, was surprised, tried a second trial, and again got more than 10% better.

To do a more accurate trial two vehicles should be used convoy style,
and the same gasoline from the same pump should be the "base fuel"
with pure ethanol added to create the "gasohol".
This method would closer to apples to apples comparison.

These big cities and "me too" states demanding special gasoline blends for allegedly better air should instead be forced to sell only E85 inside their boundaries.


I have to drive about 15 miles to obtain ethanol free and pay a significant amount more money for it compared to the ethanol diluted gas here in Ohio. I use it in all my small engines also the Harley and boat. The first time I used it in my Toro 2 cycle snow blower I thought I must be imagining that it sounded better as in more "crisp" and sharper. Since I always document my fuel purchases and calculate mileage for my cars I decided to run a tank through my minivan. Almost a full tank for experiment and picked up 2+ mpg. Tried the same thing with my full size SUV with similar results. Both times were warm weather mostly flat highway driving. No hateful storage issues either.


Edited by qkRick (11/22/17 11:50 AM)

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#2407383 - 11/22/17 12:06 PM Re: Recreation fuel, what is it exactly? [Re: qkRick]
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Originally Posted By qkRick
Originally Posted By 360view
I was expecting about a 3% difference in fuel economy before i tried buying some "pure gas" without ethanol. I got 12% better on the first trial, was surprised, tried a second trial, and again got more than 10% better.

To do a more accurate trial two vehicles should be used convoy style,
and the same gasoline from the same pump should be the "base fuel"
with pure ethanol added to create the "gasohol".
This method would closer to apples to apples comparison.

These big cities and "me too" states demanding special gasoline blends for allegedly better air should instead be forced to sell only E85 inside their boundaries.


I have to drive about 15 miles to obtain ethanol free and pay a significant amount more money for it compared to the ethanol diluted gas here in Ohio. I use it in all my small engines also the Harley and boat. The first time I used it in my Toro 2 cycle snow blower I thought I must be imagining that it sounded better as in more "crisp" and sharper. Since I always document my fuel purchases and calculate mileage for my cars I decided to run a tank through my minivan. Almost a full tank for experiment and picked up 2+ mpg. Tried the same thing with my full size SUV with similar results. Both times were warm weather mostly flat highway driving. No hateful storage issues either.


And what about the BILLIONS the government ( OUR MONEY) pays to the corn growing states to subsidize this LOSING doesn't work ethanol gas joke????

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#2407385 - 11/22/17 12:14 PM Re: Recreation fuel, what is it exactly? [Re: minivan]
Neil Offline
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It pays more than growing it for food most likely so for the sake of future support + votes it must continue.....

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#2407595 - 11/22/17 07:46 PM Re: Recreation fuel, what is it exactly? [Re: Neil]
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My street 500in 9.5-1 comp with 850 Holley loves it in warmer weather. I does't percolate in the carb and starts better.Noticeable more power. More BTU content
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#2407633 - 11/22/17 09:05 PM Re: Recreation fuel, what is it exactly? [Re: MI_Custumz]
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When I raced off-road motorcycles professionally back in the '70's and '80's with primarily 2-stroke engines one of the worst, if not the worst places in the country to buy premium pump fuel for the bikes was middle and upper Michigan. Seized piston, failed connecting rods, etc., were more common by racers that came there to race from other areas of the country. Seemed that premium pump gas sales were not that big in rural areas and the regular gas was fresher and had less water or whatever that causes "bad gas" (besides chili ;)) Even today a lot of pro off-road race teams with predominately high compression 4-stroke singles will use 75+% regular unleaded and a mix of VP or similar race gas (if race gas is available) in rural areas and not just Michigan. I'm sure that non-racers, boaters, ATV riders, side-by-side drivers, snowmobilers etc., both local and from out of state have heard the engine failure horror stories in Michigan and that's why non-ethanol, partially leaded? "Recreational Fuel" was introduced there. If I were there with any rec vehicle and had a choice it would be rec fuel or the most used/sold fuel at that pump, maybe even 87 octane grin

MikeR


Edited by A12 (11/22/17 09:09 PM)

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#2407941 - 11/23/17 02:45 PM Re: Recreation fuel, what is it exactly? [Re: MI_Custumz]
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The closest station to me that sells pure premium wants 4.29 a gallon right now for it. I bought some for my mower this spring as it keeps long term better and doesn't gum things up. The TQ in my Dart was all full of sludge from sitting forever with it. The Dart also lost about 2 mpg when we were forced over to the blend. My step sisters civic went from 33 mpg in town to 27 so yes it isn't as efficient to run. If they start selling it here at a reasonable price I would run it in everything.
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#2407976 - 11/23/17 04:30 PM Re: Recreation fuel, what is it exactly? [Re: MI_Custumz]
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Dang Dartman $4.29 is pretty spendy. In Central WA I can get it for about $3.40. Did the old water in a jar test on it a few months ago and yep, it's alcohol free. 91 octane.

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