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#2399190 - 11/06/17 12:22 AM UFO`s Believe or not believe?
mopars4ever Offline
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What is your thoughts on UFO`s? I`m kinda on the fence. I`m not sure I believe we have been visited here on earth but I do think there has to be other life out there somewhere.

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#2399224 - 11/06/17 06:49 AM Re: UFO`s Believe or not believe? [Re: mopars4ever]
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I'll bite.

Pretty much the same thought, though I doubt we have been visited by other life forms. Any life with the capability of traveling faster than light (which is really doubtful based on what we know at this time) would have no use for us and the shear massive size of the universe works against it.

We would be less than ants to them, microbes in an ants gut.

With the massive number of star systems and long span of time I'm fairly sure that there is or was life. For all we know hundreds of lifeforms on millions of planets have risen and become extinct and returned to dust before this planet was even formed.

Humbling when you think about it.
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#2399230 - 11/06/17 07:25 AM Re: UFO`s Believe or not believe? [Re: gdonovan]
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Originally Posted By gdonovan
I'll bite.

Pretty much the same thought, though I doubt we have been visited by other life forms. Any life with the capability of traveling faster than light (which is really doubtful based on what we know at this time) would have no use for us and the shear massive size of the universe works against it.

We would be less than ants to them, microbes in an ants gut.

With the massive number of star systems and long span of time I'm fairly sure that there is or was life. For all we know hundreds of lifeforms on millions of planets have risen and become extinct and returned to dust before this planet was even formed.

Humbling when you think about it.


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#2399240 - 11/06/17 07:46 AM Re: UFO`s Believe or not believe? [Re: mopars4ever]
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Doesn't sound like you've really thought it through.

If there are aliens why wouldn't they come here?

We study lesser life forms and primitive cultures.

Why wouldn't aliens? They probably have a government that funds idiot studies too and Lord knows this planet has the idiot market covered. Probably some alien Hollywood equivalent has a hit show called "Stupid Humans and their tricks".
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#2399243 - 11/06/17 07:49 AM Re: UFO`s Believe or not believe? [Re: Supercuda]
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I have no use for aliens, there are enough messed-up people on this planet to even worry about others... witch
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#2399247 - 11/06/17 07:53 AM Re: UFO`s Believe or not believe? [Re: mopars4ever]
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I find it reasonable there are forms of bacteria and what not on other planets. As for green men flying to earth and slaughtering cattle and stuffing probes in peoples butts isn't true. That's something the CIA would do.

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#2399257 - 11/06/17 08:11 AM Re: UFO`s Believe or not believe? [Re: Supercuda]
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Originally Posted By Supercuda
Doesn't sound like you've really thought it through.

If there are aliens why wouldn't they come here?

We study lesser life forms and primitive cultures.

Why wouldn't aliens? They probably have a government that funds idiot studies too and Lord knows this planet has the idiot market covered. Probably some alien Hollywood equivalent has a hit show called "Stupid Humans and their tricks".


For one the universe is massive beyond our imagination. Just for light or radio waves to travel to the nearest star system is something like 20 years away.

Lets assume for the sake of argument that there is a space faring race with FTL drive. Where do you go? There are millions of possible star systems, all of them dozens if not hundreds and millions of light years apart if you include the galaxies in the universe.

So let say you search for life signs to check out a possible system, like earth has by listening to the radio spectrum. At best we been radiating EM radio for 100 years or so.. which means our very weak transmissions have not even left the local neighborhood.

Our galaxy alone is 180,000 light years across.

I doubt that any race with the capability of crossing that vastness would give us a second thought. Not like poking at an anthill in your backyard.

Moving any distance in space uses huge amounts of energy, even getting up to a percentage of the speed of light is astronomical.

I have given it a lot of thought, the practical aspects alone make the thought of being visited by aliens slightly absurd.

As much as I'd like it to be true, but the real world intrudes. I don't expect us to be standing on Mars in my lifetime let alone another solar system and I'm a huge sci-fi fan.
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#2399265 - 11/06/17 08:30 AM Re: UFO`s Believe or not believe? [Re: mopars4ever]
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Look up Stanton T Friedman. He is the only Flying Saucer guy that is believable in my opinion.
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#2399270 - 11/06/17 08:47 AM Re: UFO`s Believe or not believe? [Re: mopars4ever]
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there in lies the problem. We think we know the limitations of science.

We barely know enough to begin to realize how we don't know enough to ask questions about.

We already have a pretty good theory on how to exceed apparent light speed limitations and how to do it using particles we theorize exist.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcubierre_drive

Now it's an engineering problem
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#2399271 - 11/06/17 08:48 AM Re: UFO`s Believe or not believe? [Re: mopars4ever]
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The USA has a long history of secret military aircraft.

It is entirely reasonable to suppose that our military has one or more secret air or space craft that have not been publicly admitted to.

China, Russia, Israel, Iran, India....
Do they have still secret military air/space craft?
Its likely.

Do narco trafficers have secret aircraft?
They have submarines, so maybe....

Would Russia, China or the Narcos
Fly their aircraft over the USA?

Doesn't the USA fly over them?

If aliens have been flying over us with very high technology spacecraft,
Logic would infer that they would have already destroyed either us humans, or most life on the earth,
Because admit it,
We are dangerous and irrational.

Aliens are probably out there, but very far distances away.

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#2399277 - 11/06/17 08:59 AM Re: UFO`s Believe or not believe? [Re: mopars4ever]
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I think it's very possible we have been visited by alien spacecraft. Probably not manned though. After all haven't we been to every planet in our solar system with unmanned craft?
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#2399280 - 11/06/17 09:06 AM Re: UFO`s Believe or not believe? [Re: mopars4ever]
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Aliens are probably out there, but very far distances away.
That`s pretty much sums it up for me. I believe other life is out there but I don`t believe they have reached us in any fashion.

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#2399283 - 11/06/17 09:08 AM Re: UFO`s Believe or not believe? [Re: mopars4ever]
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UFO's or flying discs or what ever you want to call them are depicted in ancient hieroglyphics from thousands of years ago. And have you ever seen what some of the ancient "Gods" have been depicted as looking like? I would have to say that something from other than Earth has been here, at least in the past. Unlike most people who don't believe until it has been proven, I tend to believe until it has been DISPROVEN.
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#2399295 - 11/06/17 09:29 AM Re: UFO`s Believe or not believe? [Re: mopars4ever]
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anybody advanced enough to get here won't be threatened by us, we are too primitive in our technology
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#2399301 - 11/06/17 09:53 AM Re: UFO`s Believe or not believe? [Re: mopars4ever]
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Originally Posted By mopars4ever
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Aliens are probably out there, but very far distances away.
That`s pretty much sums it up for me. I believe other life is out there but I don`t believe they have reached us in any fashion.


That and even if they were able to reach us, why would they want to? There are no doubt other planets out there with natural resources and no bothersome sentient life that there would be no good reason for them to waste their time with us.

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#2399331 - 11/06/17 10:45 AM Re: UFO`s Believe or not believe? [Re: DaytonaTurbo]
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It’s obvious you guys have never met my neighbors! eek
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#2399340 - 11/06/17 10:55 AM Re: UFO`s Believe or not believe? [Re: mopars4ever]
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Do they have large cone shaped heads and drink beer a 6 pack at a time? Might have seen them around.

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#2399342 - 11/06/17 11:00 AM Re: UFO`s Believe or not believe? [Re: it's Bob]
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I do.

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#2399348 - 11/06/17 11:05 AM Re: UFO`s Believe or not believe? [Re: Guitar Jones]
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Originally Posted By Guitar Jones
I think it's very possible we have been visited by alien spacecraft. Probably not manned though. After all haven't we been to every planet in our solar system with unmanned craft?


Like throwing a Frisbee in your back yard.

The Voyager 1 probe was launched in... 1977.. and still transmitting forty years later incredibly enough. It is the furthest man made object in space currently traveling at 11 miles per second and in 40,000 years be within one light year give or take of the star Gliese 445, which is at present in the constellation Camelopardalis.
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#2399363 - 11/06/17 11:21 AM Re: UFO`s Believe or not believe? [Re: mopars4ever]
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Aliens are everywhere on earth. I almost got clipped by a van load of them this morning on my way to work in Dallas.

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