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#2399190 - 11/06/17 12:22 AM UFO`s Believe or not believe?
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What is your thoughts on UFO`s? I`m kinda on the fence. I`m not sure I believe we have been visited here on earth but I do think there has to be other life out there somewhere.

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#2399224 - 11/06/17 06:49 AM Re: UFO`s Believe or not believe? [Re: mopars4ever]
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I'll bite.

Pretty much the same thought, though I doubt we have been visited by other life forms. Any life with the capability of traveling faster than light (which is really doubtful based on what we know at this time) would have no use for us and the shear massive size of the universe works against it.

We would be less than ants to them, microbes in an ants gut.

With the massive number of star systems and long span of time I'm fairly sure that there is or was life. For all we know hundreds of lifeforms on millions of planets have risen and become extinct and returned to dust before this planet was even formed.

Humbling when you think about it.
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#2399230 - 11/06/17 07:25 AM Re: UFO`s Believe or not believe? [Re: gdonovan]
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Originally Posted By gdonovan
I'll bite.

Pretty much the same thought, though I doubt we have been visited by other life forms. Any life with the capability of traveling faster than light (which is really doubtful based on what we know at this time) would have no use for us and the shear massive size of the universe works against it.

We would be less than ants to them, microbes in an ants gut.

With the massive number of star systems and long span of time I'm fairly sure that there is or was life. For all we know hundreds of lifeforms on millions of planets have risen and become extinct and returned to dust before this planet was even formed.

Humbling when you think about it.


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#2399240 - 11/06/17 07:46 AM Re: UFO`s Believe or not believe? [Re: mopars4ever]
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Doesn't sound like you've really thought it through.

If there are aliens why wouldn't they come here?

We study lesser life forms and primitive cultures.

Why wouldn't aliens? They probably have a government that funds idiot studies too and Lord knows this planet has the idiot market covered. Probably some alien Hollywood equivalent has a hit show called "Stupid Humans and their tricks".
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#2399243 - 11/06/17 07:49 AM Re: UFO`s Believe or not believe? [Re: Supercuda]
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I have no use for aliens, there are enough messed-up people on this planet to even worry about others... witch
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#2399247 - 11/06/17 07:53 AM Re: UFO`s Believe or not believe? [Re: mopars4ever]
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I find it reasonable there are forms of bacteria and what not on other planets. As for green men flying to earth and slaughtering cattle and stuffing probes in peoples butts isn't true. That's something the CIA would do.

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#2399257 - 11/06/17 08:11 AM Re: UFO`s Believe or not believe? [Re: Supercuda]
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Originally Posted By Supercuda
Doesn't sound like you've really thought it through.

If there are aliens why wouldn't they come here?

We study lesser life forms and primitive cultures.

Why wouldn't aliens? They probably have a government that funds idiot studies too and Lord knows this planet has the idiot market covered. Probably some alien Hollywood equivalent has a hit show called "Stupid Humans and their tricks".


For one the universe is massive beyond our imagination. Just for light or radio waves to travel to the nearest star system is something like 20 years away.

Lets assume for the sake of argument that there is a space faring race with FTL drive. Where do you go? There are millions of possible star systems, all of them dozens if not hundreds and millions of light years apart if you include the galaxies in the universe.

So let say you search for life signs to check out a possible system, like earth has by listening to the radio spectrum. At best we been radiating EM radio for 100 years or so.. which means our very weak transmissions have not even left the local neighborhood.

Our galaxy alone is 180,000 light years across.

I doubt that any race with the capability of crossing that vastness would give us a second thought. Not like poking at an anthill in your backyard.

Moving any distance in space uses huge amounts of energy, even getting up to a percentage of the speed of light is astronomical.

I have given it a lot of thought, the practical aspects alone make the thought of being visited by aliens slightly absurd.

As much as I'd like it to be true, but the real world intrudes. I don't expect us to be standing on Mars in my lifetime let alone another solar system and I'm a huge sci-fi fan.
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#2399265 - 11/06/17 08:30 AM Re: UFO`s Believe or not believe? [Re: mopars4ever]
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Look up Stanton T Friedman. He is the only Flying Saucer guy that is believable in my opinion.
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#2399270 - 11/06/17 08:47 AM Re: UFO`s Believe or not believe? [Re: mopars4ever]
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there in lies the problem. We think we know the limitations of science.

We barely know enough to begin to realize how we don't know enough to ask questions about.

We already have a pretty good theory on how to exceed apparent light speed limitations and how to do it using particles we theorize exist.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcubierre_drive

Now it's an engineering problem
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#2399271 - 11/06/17 08:48 AM Re: UFO`s Believe or not believe? [Re: mopars4ever]
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The USA has a long history of secret military aircraft.

It is entirely reasonable to suppose that our military has one or more secret air or space craft that have not been publicly admitted to.

China, Russia, Israel, Iran, India....
Do they have still secret military air/space craft?
Its likely.

Do narco trafficers have secret aircraft?
They have submarines, so maybe....

Would Russia, China or the Narcos
Fly their aircraft over the USA?

Doesn't the USA fly over them?

If aliens have been flying over us with very high technology spacecraft,
Logic would infer that they would have already destroyed either us humans, or most life on the earth,
Because admit it,
We are dangerous and irrational.

Aliens are probably out there, but very far distances away.

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#2399277 - 11/06/17 08:59 AM Re: UFO`s Believe or not believe? [Re: mopars4ever]
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I think it's very possible we have been visited by alien spacecraft. Probably not manned though. After all haven't we been to every planet in our solar system with unmanned craft?
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#2399280 - 11/06/17 09:06 AM Re: UFO`s Believe or not believe? [Re: mopars4ever]
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Aliens are probably out there, but very far distances away.
That`s pretty much sums it up for me. I believe other life is out there but I don`t believe they have reached us in any fashion.

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#2399283 - 11/06/17 09:08 AM Re: UFO`s Believe or not believe? [Re: mopars4ever]
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UFO's or flying discs or what ever you want to call them are depicted in ancient hieroglyphics from thousands of years ago. And have you ever seen what some of the ancient "Gods" have been depicted as looking like? I would have to say that something from other than Earth has been here, at least in the past. Unlike most people who don't believe until it has been proven, I tend to believe until it has been DISPROVEN.
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#2399295 - 11/06/17 09:29 AM Re: UFO`s Believe or not believe? [Re: mopars4ever]
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anybody advanced enough to get here won't be threatened by us, we are too primitive in our technology
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#2399301 - 11/06/17 09:53 AM Re: UFO`s Believe or not believe? [Re: mopars4ever]
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Originally Posted By mopars4ever
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Aliens are probably out there, but very far distances away.
That`s pretty much sums it up for me. I believe other life is out there but I don`t believe they have reached us in any fashion.


That and even if they were able to reach us, why would they want to? There are no doubt other planets out there with natural resources and no bothersome sentient life that there would be no good reason for them to waste their time with us.

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#2399331 - 11/06/17 10:45 AM Re: UFO`s Believe or not believe? [Re: DaytonaTurbo]
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#2399340 - 11/06/17 10:55 AM Re: UFO`s Believe or not believe? [Re: mopars4ever]
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Do they have large cone shaped heads and drink beer a 6 pack at a time? Might have seen them around.

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#2399342 - 11/06/17 11:00 AM Re: UFO`s Believe or not believe? [Re: it's Bob]
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#2399348 - 11/06/17 11:05 AM Re: UFO`s Believe or not believe? [Re: Guitar Jones]
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Originally Posted By Guitar Jones
I think it's very possible we have been visited by alien spacecraft. Probably not manned though. After all haven't we been to every planet in our solar system with unmanned craft?


Like throwing a Frisbee in your back yard.

The Voyager 1 probe was launched in... 1977.. and still transmitting forty years later incredibly enough. It is the furthest man made object in space currently traveling at 11 miles per second and in 40,000 years be within one light year give or take of the star Gliese 445, which is at present in the constellation Camelopardalis.
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#2399363 - 11/06/17 11:21 AM Re: UFO`s Believe or not believe? [Re: mopars4ever]
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Aliens are everywhere on earth. I almost got clipped by a van load of them this morning on my way to work in Dallas.

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#2399375 - 11/06/17 11:40 AM Re: UFO`s Believe or not believe? [Re: mopars4ever]
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My late brother in law was a pilot. He flew 3 tours in Vietnam, and did some high altitude stuff. Lots of long hours in the night sky, way up there. He said he saw alien ufo's, regularly, their presence was well known, they even trailed him several times. But is was top secret classified. Even the way he said it was not direct. He couldn't come out and say "I saw UFO's". But he still used carefully chosen words to let me know about it. It was extremely scary for him to be trailed by an alien spacecraft, especially the first time.
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#2399388 - 11/06/17 11:57 AM Re: UFO`s Believe or not believe? [Re: Hugh Jorgan]
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Aliens are everywhere on earth. I almost got clipped by a van load of them this morning on my way to work in Dallas.
Newbees to this country?
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#2399392 - 11/06/17 12:11 PM Re: UFO`s Believe or not believe? [Re: Supercuda]
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Originally Posted By Supercuda
there in lies the problem. We think we know the limitations of science.

We barely know enough to begin to realize how we don't know enough to ask questions about...



Agreed, we don't yet know what we don't know. Current scientific thinking is dead wrong about many things. Probably most things. If you don't believe that, think about this: 60 years ago, modern scientific thinking said a wheel driven dragster could never exceed 160 mph. 100 years ago, scientific thinking bled the sick by cutting their wrists and with leaches. 600 years ago, scientific thinking told us the earth was flat.
Are we now to believe that science has it all right? Many "facts" of science are based on theories that are assumed right, but can't be proven unless they rely on our limited understanding of space and time.

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#2399396 - 11/06/17 12:22 PM Re: UFO`s Believe or not believe? [Re: mopars4ever]
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In my teens I was absolutely convinced there were UFO"s out there whizzing around. I think I held out romantic hope we'd be visited and welcomed aboard to go explore the Universe!

Then Carl Sagan came along and suggested this:
- What are the odds of our evolution?
- What are the number of planets in our known universe that could support a form of life?
In his proposed calculation these two numbers were about the same... making it reasonable to speculate we could be alone in the known universe. So I began to accept the idea we may be alone, or very close to it..

That was 40 years ago. Now, we know there are an inconceivable number of galaxies in our universe.. and there may be more than one universe, so the chances may be higher...

..Then I had an awesome fun talk with a couple of physicists and an astronomer from Harvard at a dinner party...

Two things came up:

1.) The astronomer said given the time scales of our known universe, it is unlikely any other form of life out there is anywhere near "equal" to us in terms of evolution and technology.

Therefore, if life evolved on other planets it will likely be either millions of years "less evolved" or "more evolved"...

Then,
The chance of the prior form of life having visited us is zero.
The chance of the latter form of life having visited us is higher, but....
The chances of the latter form of life or their technology being recognizable to us, or us to them, is very slim..

Think about showing an iPhone to a Neanderthal (40,000year ago) , or to a Stegosaurus (150mill years ago). That comparison illustrates how we humans would simply not be equipped to comprehend what we are seeing or experiencing.

So, no I don't believe in anything like science-fiction-movie flying saucers or The Roswell Conspiracy or Erik van Daneken's "The Chariots of the Gods"...


2.) The physicists suggested this from popular science: Looking within ourselves.. the language of our genetic code is "written" entirely in 4 elemental "letters".. Maybe researchers are finding sequences that are too structured to be what they would define as "natural". (OK, that's their opinion, right - DNA could be any darned sequence and it'd still be random, not 'created').. but the thought is that our DNA may have been created in a particular "language" and even contain messages.. It is true we have evidence DNA can survive for eons in outer space embedded in rock for instance, and it's conceivable that alien technology could've create DNA-based life forms for their use.. some of which may have escaped to outer space in a meteor strike... Question is could such DNA travel and strike the Earth to 'seed' it?

How's that for an idea of us being visited by Aliens? Think "Prometheus" the movie..

They went even further down the scale to the Boson/Hix particle and how atoms are 'constructed'... the physicists both felt the arrangement of particles to create an atom is so fantastically 'elegant' - that it suggest they were 'designed'... they said they had both become far more 'religious' in their thinking...

it was a fun night.

Cheers,
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#2399402 - 11/06/17 12:34 PM Re: UFO`s Believe or not believe? [Re: 67SATisfaction]
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Originally Posted By 67SATisfaction

..Then I had an awesome fun talk with a couple of physicists and an astronomer from Harvard at a dinner party...

Two things came up:

1.) The astronomer said given the time scales of our known universe, it is unlikely any other form of life out there is anywhere near "equal" to us in terms of evolution and technology.

Therefore, if life evolved on other planets it will likely be either millions of years "less evolved" or "more evolved"...






So there you have it, a group of scientists with flaws in their theories big enuff to drive a bus through: 1) basing their opinions on "our known universe", ignoring the unknown; and 2) basing their opinions on the theory of evolution, which is in itself very flawed and disputed, and probably not true.

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#2399409 - 11/06/17 12:43 PM Re: UFO`s Believe or not believe? [Re: mopars4ever]
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I believe there is other life out there but so far away that we will never meet. Our own galaxy being so vast along with the other galaxies that can be seen through the Hubble telescope and the ones that cannot be seen is just mind boggling when you think of the distances between them. This is why I believe that space exploration is just a huge waste of tax payers money. What the hell is sending people to Mars going to accomplish for the better of mankind, absolutely nothing. I love si-fi movies but in reality what is depicted in the movies will never happen. IMHO
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#2399412 - 11/06/17 12:55 PM Re: UFO`s Believe or not believe? [Re: Superfreak]
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Originally Posted By Superfreak
I love si-fi movies but in reality what is depicted in the movies will never happen. IMHO


It's sad to think about but there's a good chance us as a species will cease to exist for one reason or another before we get anywhere close to that point.

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#2399415 - 11/06/17 12:58 PM Re: UFO`s Believe or not believe? [Re: Superfreak]
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Originally Posted By Superfreak
I believe there is other life out there but so far away that we will never meet. Our own galaxy being so vast along with the other galaxies that can be seen through the Hubble telescope and the ones that cannot be seen is just mind boggling when you think of the distances between them. This is why I believe that space exploration is just a huge waste of tax payers money. What the hell is sending people to Mars going to accomplish for the better of mankind, absolutely nothing. I love si-fi movies but in reality what is depicted in the movies will never happen. IMHO


I suggest you google "what has space travel done for us" and cure the gaping hole in your knowledge.

A start https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NASA_spinoff_technologies

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#2399424 - 11/06/17 01:09 PM Re: UFO`s Believe or not believe? [Re: Supercuda]
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Originally Posted By Supercuda


I suggest you google "what has space travel done for us" and cure the gaping hole in your knowledge.

A start https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NASA_spinoff_technologies



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#2399435 - 11/06/17 01:43 PM Re: UFO`s Believe or not believe? [Re: Hemi_Joel]
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#2399446 - 11/06/17 02:13 PM Re: UFO`s Believe or not believe? [Re: RapidusMaximus]
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I used to be more on the side of being a UFO "believer" than I am now. Despite the proliferation of video recording devices, we haven't really seen a concomitant proliferation of better quality UFO videos. If anything, there's just a lot more laughably bad ones. There are some very compelling stories out there that definitely make you think, however.
Now, if you are even remotely interested in the subject, I encourage you to read the book "Out There", by Howard Blum. It will make your head spin. I'm not saying it will make you a believer, or turn you into a non-believer. What it WILL do, though, is leave you with a list of nagging questions to which there are no solid answers.

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#2399462 - 11/06/17 02:41 PM Re: UFO`s Believe or not believe? [Re: mopars4ever]
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UFO's just means you can't ID it so yep, they exists. I have a story from about 20 years ago. Lived in Washington DC area. Went out for a date that bombed and came home to my apartment(a highrise). Some buddies rolled up and we got to talking. They decided to park and come on up so I stood waiting for them. I was looking over towards the Washington monument and there was a shape in the sky, about 300 yards long and looked like a brown dirigible(sp) that had a slight glow to it. My buddies walked up and we continued to talk. Went on in after 3 or 4 minutes and once in my apt. one of the guys says, "Don't want to sound wierd, but did anyone just see something odd outside?" What was it, Who knows.
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#2399465 - 11/06/17 02:43 PM Re: UFO`s Believe or not believe? [Re: mopars4ever]
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Neil deGrasse Tyson's conversation on the topic is worth listening to.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSJElZwEI8o
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#2399475 - 11/06/17 02:52 PM Re: UFO`s Believe or not believe? [Re: mopars4ever]
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#2399478 - 11/06/17 02:57 PM Re: UFO`s Believe or not believe? [Re: mopars4ever]
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We where "made" "cloned" "made in his image" to do labor, on a very mineral rich planet a long time ago. Easier to get local help than use that energy crossing the galaxy with all the laborers on some vessel. "They" went away and left the "trash" to fend for themselves. The laborers needed some intelligence to do the work, hence here we are with a short lifespan. 12 to 24 year olds are the best workers, look at the military, who do they prefer. So yea, I think we've been visited. Life is hard to start on its own, easier to just disperse around the galaxy. Just like Johny Appleseed. One thing about exploration, hard to wipe out a race if you're in two or more places. If we dont move we're doomed.

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#2399492 - 11/06/17 03:20 PM Re: UFO`s Believe or not believe? [Re: mopars4ever]
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Should we ask for "one-way" volunteers to go create space colonies?

Anyone on Moparts ready to volunteer?

As a miner I wonder if we could pay for colonies by sending back gold, platinum iridium, etc

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#2399520 - 11/06/17 04:09 PM Re: UFO`s Believe or not believe? [Re: Superfreak]
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Originally Posted By Superfreak
...I believe that space exploration is just a huge waste of tax payers money.


For Fiscal Year 2018, NASA's budget is 0.4% of the total federal budget. I think the amount of knowledge and technology we gain is a deal.
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#2399521 - 11/06/17 04:11 PM Re: UFO`s Believe or not believe? [Re: DaytonaTurbo]
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Originally Posted By DaytonaTurbo

It's sad to think about but there's a good chance us as a species will cease to exist for one reason or another before we get anywhere close to that point.


Over 99% of all species that ever lived on this planet are now extinct. Humans are headed down the same path. The only difference is that we will get there MUCH more quickly than most other species.
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#2399523 - 11/06/17 04:14 PM Re: UFO`s Believe or not believe? [Re: 360view]
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Have to say I believe in them. blush

When I was about 9 ('64), I was lying in bed one night looking out my window. In the distance was a tree line with a gap between trees that was maybe an 1/8th of a mile in length. As I was looking, 2 objects came through the gap followed by a much larger object that was followed by 2 smaller ones identical to the first 2. All appeared to be disc shaped and were white and glowing. Looked like this. - - o - -
Was it actually UFOs? shruggy I can remember it as clearly now as if it happened last night.
Call me crazy.......



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#2399658 - 11/06/17 07:34 PM Re: UFO`s Believe or not believe? [Re: I_bleed_MOPAR]
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I would hope there are higher evolved life forms out there. If we're it, that seems kinda depressing. frowwn


In the end, we'll probably learn that we're actually in a forgotten petri dish in a lab somewhere.....
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#2399662 - 11/06/17 07:39 PM Re: UFO`s Believe or not believe? [Re: Satilite73]
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Originally Posted By Satilite73

I would hope there are higher evolved life forms out there. If we're it, that seems kinda depressing. frowwn


In the end, we'll probably learn that we're actually in a forgotten petri dish in a lab somewhere.....
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#2399677 - 11/06/17 08:05 PM Re: UFO`s Believe or not believe? [Re: Moparnutcase]
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Originally Posted By Moparnutcase
UFO's or flying discs or what ever you want to call them are depicted in ancient hieroglyphics from thousands of years ago. And have you ever seen what some of the ancient "Gods" have been depicted as looking like? I would have to say that something from other than Earth has been here, at least in the past. Unlike most people who don't believe until it has been proven, I tend to believe until it has been DISPROVEN.


Exactly. HOW do you explain it? There is one drawing carbon-dated several thousand years old with a being with an air tank on his back, a mask, & the air supply connected to the mask. How could people thousands of years ago even imagine there was no breathable air "up there?"

As far as the vast distances of space, google how physicists now know that space can be bent & vast distances covered in a short span. Speed of light+ is irrelevant when compared to "bending" space. Read about physicist Robert Lazaar & his time spent in Area 51 in Nevada. I have to believe that some of the advanced technologies may have come as a result of research done at the Area 51 facility. Stealth technology comes to mind. We may have weapons that also lend to "secret" sources.

I have read quite a bit about the Roswell incident, as well as others, & I believe entirely we have been visited by advanced alien beings. Back in the 80's we were in Roswell on business & we met with an older dude who lived there all his life. We asked him if he was around during all that & he was indeed. So we asked him if it was a crashed weather balloon. He laughed & said "that's what they tried to get everybody to believe." He saw some of the material from the crash site & said it was thin metallic-like material & when you crumpled it up in a ball & released it, it sprung back & never showed a wrinkle. From talking to this guy, & reading & watching shows about the incident, I believe it was indeed a crash site & bodies were recovered.

Military pilots from WW2 routinely witnessed "foo fighters" - Google & read about those accounts. Many airline pilots have seen UFO's as well, but rarely report them or make official claims as to seeing them. But they know. So do NASA astronauts - they have seen "controlled" flight by unknowns in space & even filmed several. Back around 1978, my wife (girlfriend at the time) & I both witnessed a V-shaped group of green lights at very high altitude - we watched it for about 10 seconds & then the lights were no longer visible. To this day, we both remember vividly what we saw but cannot explain it.

Anyway, these are my opinions. I believe we are not alone.
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#2399681 - 11/06/17 08:12 PM Re: UFO`s Believe or not believe? [Re: mopars4ever]
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The universe is full of life. We puny humans haven't found it yet, but I think we're getting close. Finding rocky exoplanets in the "Goldilocks zone" has been the first step. Where life can exist it does exist. Just follow the liquid water.

The universe is big. Lots of programs let you scale it to any size you want. If you make the sun the size of a beach ball, the Earth is a BB orbiting about 200 feet away. The next nearest star is another beach ball 5000 miles away. No wonder we haven't found each other yet.

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#2399690 - 11/06/17 08:27 PM Re: UFO`s Believe or not believe? [Re: BSharp]
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Originally Posted By BSharp
TWhere life can exist it does exist. Just follow the liquid water.


Again, that's the limitation of our understanding of the requirements for life.

We could and probably are wrong about that too.
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#2399695 - 11/06/17 08:36 PM Re: UFO`s Believe or not believe? [Re: mopars4ever]
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Nope. God has created us unique in all the universe. That's why Jesus died for us on THIS planet, and not another. cool
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#2399736 - 11/06/17 09:32 PM Re: UFO`s Believe or not believe? [Re: mopars4ever]
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The "known" universe is bigger then most of us can comprehend. Every time we create another object to look closer at the edges of the "known" universe, we find that more exists, and probably has existed a very long time before we "discovered" it.

To even consider we are the only life form to exist is insane. Then to consider that we would be the highest intelligence and have the most technology of any other life form that may exist rally shows how arrogant some of us are. If we consider the possibility that other life forms may exist in the universe, it isn't out of the realm of possibilities that they may have the ability to travel across the universe and observe us much like some of us would like to go back in time to observe our history, or go to other planets and observe them in their natural environment.

War Wagon, we may be unique to this universe, and Jesus died for this planet, but how are you so sure God didn't do similar things on other planets in other parts of the universe? The God I know sure seems to like variety, we are a unique species and we are all uniquely different on this planet. Gene

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#2399745 - 11/06/17 09:52 PM Re: UFO`s Believe or not believe? [Re: mopars4ever]
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And lending credence to the "an ounce of truth in everything", the concept of Adam and Eve creating the first Alien/monkey hybrid is interesting....

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#2399784 - 11/06/17 11:21 PM Re: UFO`s Believe or not believe? [Re: Ramrod39]
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It's sad to think about but there's a good chance us as a species will cease to exist for one reason or another before we get anywhere close to that point.


Over 99% of all species that ever lived on this planet are now extinct. Humans are headed down the same path. The only difference is that we will get there MUCH more quickly than most other species.


Ya, but what about all the knowledge that has been gained from space exploration???
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#2399795 - 11/06/17 11:37 PM Re: UFO`s Believe or not believe? [Re: mopars4ever]
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According to physicists we aren't going anywhere until anti-gravity propulsion gets figured out. Lightspeed rocket travel would never work as the G forces would splatter you and hitting a space rock at that speed would go through the craft like a bullet. Not to mention by the time you got back, if you did make it in one piece, the earth would be gone. runaway

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#2399808 - 11/07/17 12:01 AM Re: UFO`s Believe or not believe? [Re: Superfreak]
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Originally Posted By Superfreak
Originally Posted By Ramrod39
Originally Posted By DaytonaTurbo

It's sad to think about but there's a good chance us as a species will cease to exist for one reason or another before we get anywhere close to that point.


Over 99% of all species that ever lived on this planet are now extinct. Humans are headed down the same path. The only difference is that we will get there MUCH more quickly than most other species.


Ya, but what about all the knowledge that has been gained from space exploration???


From one of the many sites addressing this question that I found in 1 minute of internet searching:

a list of things invented as a direct result of NASA’s space program!

Check it out!

According to The Independent, here are 50 everyday items we use that were developed by the space program:

1.The hand-held vacuum cleaner

2.Air-cushioned trainers

In the early 1980s, a process known as “blow rubber molding” was used to produce space helmets. Using this technology, former Nasa engineer Frank Rudy pitched an idea for an in-trainer shock absorber to the Nike Corporation. He envisaged a trainer with hollow soles filled with shock-absorbing material to cushion the impact of running. Rudy’s idea included a pad of interconnected air cells and the resulting trainer was called the Nike Air.

3.Firefighter breathing apparatus

Before 1971, the average weight of breathing apparatus was more than 30 pounds. Carrying the extra weight was so physically grueling that some firefighters opted to attack flames without any equipment. However, engineers at Nasa adapted the life-support systems used in spacesuits for use by emergency services. Four years later, experts had designed apparatus that weighed a third less and offered better fit and visibility.

4.Blankets for marathon runners

In 1964, Nasa developed a material capable of reflecting heat very effectively – a thin sheet of plastic coated with a metallic reflecting agent, usually gold or silver in color. Used as a blanket, it reflects about 80 per cent of the wearer’s body-heat back to them. It’s used to keep accident victims warm, and by marathon runners after the finish.

5.Safer runways

Nasa researchers discovered that cutting thin grooves across concrete runways reduces the risk of an aircraft aquaplaning after landing. Excess water drains along the grooves, increasing tire friction in wet conditions. The expertise has been adopted by airport operating authorities around the world.

6.Pill transmitters

Pill transmitters swallowed by astronauts to check their temperature and blood pressure are undergoing trials to be used as a way to monitor the health of fetuses in the womb. These pill-shaped gadgets can be used to monitor body temperature, pressure and other vital signs.

7.Faster racing cars

Carbon fiber was invented by the British in the 1960s (at the Royal Aircraft Establishment, Farnborough), but was given a boost by its use in space flight. Carbon-fiber-reinforced graphite is used in the nose cone of the Space Shuttle. Strong, light and heat resistant, it is found in everything from tennis rackets to Formula One racing cars

8.The roof of the Millennium Dome

A flexible yet durable Teflon-coated fiberglass material was developed in the 1970s for use on astronauts’ spacesuits. Teflon-coated fiberglass is now used for the roofs of many buildings worldwide, including the Dome in London.

9.Greenliving

It may seem strange, but the green movement owes a debt of gratitude to the rockets that blasted off into space. Efficient solar-power technologies – in which silicon crystals grown in a laboratory convert light into electrical energy – were first developed by Nasa in the early 1980s. The same technology is now widely used by companies manufacturing solar panels.

10.Personal storm warning system

11.The most impressive soundbite of all time

Neil Armstrong setting foot on the moon on 21 July 1969 was one of the most historically important moments of the 20th century. His proclamation, which was heard by radio audiences around the world – “that’s one small step for [a] man, one giant leap for mankind” – remains one of the most famous statements ever uttered.

12.Better sunglasses

Nasa invented a special coating using a form of diamond-like carbon to protect its astronauts’ helmets from being scratched by space particles. A modified form of this substance – which decreases surface friction and therefore reduces scratching – has since been used by many sunglasses manufacturers, including Ray-Ban, since 1988.

13.First detailed map of another planet

In 1971, the Mariner 9 probe arrived at Mars and beamed a total of 7,329 images of the planet back to Earth. It provided the first global map of the surface of the Red Planet, including detailed views of its system of canyons and volcanoes, Valles Marineris.

14.The potential to preserve priceless art

After being first tested by Nasa, “polyamides” – incredibly strong and heat-resistant polymers – have been researched by the J Paul Getty Trust, which has discovered that one in particular may protect bronze statues from corrosion.

15.Car crash technology

“Explosive” bolts that can be remotely detonated to destroy them were used to free the Space Shuttle from its rocket boosters on blast-off. The technology has been adapted to create quicker and more powerful equipment to cut people out of car crashes. The cutters employ the same pyrotechnic “power cartridges” used on the Shuttle.

16.Longer golf shots

Wilson – one of the world’s biggest golf ball manufacturers – has improved the performance of its golf balls by implementing technology used to test the aerodynamics of the Space Shuttle’s external fuel tanks. These balls have a variety of specially configured dimples, which the company claims makes them travel further than conventional balls.

17.Plane wing-tips

Ever seen the vertical tip at the end of an airplane wing and wondered what it is? It’s a called a winglet and was originally developed at Nasa’s Langley Research Center. The winglet produces a degree of forward thrust (to help the plane in take-off and flight), operating much like a boat sail, and reduces wingtip drag. The winglet has been in service since the 1970s, and is found on all types of aircraft.

18.Freeze-dried meals

Nasa developed freeze-drying technology for the food carried by the Apollo missions. After the process, the product retains 98 per cent of its nutritional value and weighs just 20 per cent of its original weight. Snacks based on this technology are exported by Nasa to many countries, with sales running to several million pounds a year.

19.Baby food

Through Nasa research on algae (which it was hoped could generate oxygen in space through photosynthesis), it was found that certain algae contain two essential fatty acids present in human breast milk. These acids play an key role in infants’ mental and visual development. A synthetic ingredient that contains these acids is now added to baby food in 66 countries.

20.Warmer feet

Battery-powered thermal boots used by skiers are adapted from designs developed to keep astronauts warm during the Apollo space programme. Rechargeable batteries are worn inside the wrist of a glove, or the sole of a ski boot, and heat is generated by a small electrical circuit.

21.Increased understanding of the beginning of life

In 1995 the Hubble Space Telescope beamed images of the “Pillars of Creation” – columnar clouds of gas found in the distant Eagle Nebula – back to Earth. As well as being some of the most impressive images of space, these pictures changed scientists’ understanding of the beginnings of life in the universe.

22.’Anti-gravity’ treadmill

British marathon runner Paula Radcliffe has a stress fracture to her left leg, but aims to compete in the Beijing Olympics. She hopes to achieve this by training on a special “anti-gravity” treadmill developed by Nasa to help astronauts exercise in space. The machine operates in a high-pressure chamber which, in effect, cuts the weight of the user.

23.Hang gliders

In 1957, Nasa began testing various forms of wing for its Gemini space capsules. The wings’ simplicity of design, ease of construction, along with their capability of slow flight and gentle landing characteristics, was picked up by hang-gliding enthusiasts. The hang glider the enthusiasts designed became the most successful in history and formed the basis for the more streamlined hang gliders used today.

24.Straighter teeth

Nitinol, an alloy used by orthodontists to wire teeth braces, was tested in satellites that needed to spring open after being folded into a rocket. Nitinol is durable and springs back into shape after bending.

25.Heat-absorbing sportswear

Athletes can perform more strenuous activity without becoming overheated, thanks to new sportswear inspired by the cooling systems used in astronauts’ spacesuits. The clothes have packets of heat-absorbing gel positioned near parts of the body where the most heat is emitted.

26.Heart surgery

Bypass surgery is not the only means for doctors to deal with a blockage in the coronary artery. Nowadays, precise lasers can be used to clean arteries with extraordinary accuracy, while not damaging the walls of blood vessels. The lasers were originally developed by Nasa to monitor gases in the atmosphere of the Earth.

27.Life support for patients

Project Mercury, the first US human spaceflight program, which ran from 1959 to 1963, developed sophisticated monitoring systems to track the physiological status of its astronauts. The same technology is used today in intensive care units and specialist heart units.

28.Medicinal light- emitting diodes

The light-emitting diode (LED) technology used in plant growth experiments on board the Space Shuttle has led to the development of hand-held LED units used for the temporary relief of muscle and joint pain, as well easing the symptoms of arthritis, stiffness, and muscle spasms. It is that hoped use of LED technology will spread to aid bone-marrow transplant patients in the near future.

29.Artificial limbs

Robotic technology has been used to create more dynamic artificial limbs. New foam technology – used as a shock absorber by Nasa – has brought about more natural-looking prostheses and has helped reduce wear and tear.

30.Intelligent underwear

A new bra developed as a space spinoff aids the detection of breast cancer by employing water flowing through tubes to cool the skin surface. When used in conjunction with thermography – a heat-detecting technique used to detect tumours – this adapted clothing, improves image resolution and makes it easier to pick up any cancers.

31.Detection of forest fires

Nasa fire-detection wizardry developed in the early 1990s is now used by the authorities in the USA to detect forest fires that might not be spotted soon enough on the ground, and pinpoint their location. Infrared technology identifies the extent of a fire so firefighters can be sent to the right places to tackle it.

32.Plant research

Nasa research into possible bases on the Moon and Mars is looking into the use of plants to provide food, oxygen and water, reducing the need for outside supplies. The research is based on hydroponics, in which plants grow in a liquid instead of in soil. It could be used in food production on Earth.

33.Chromosome analysis

Using Nasa image-processing technology, human chromosomes are being photographed via cameras mounted on microscopes. The images can then be digitized, allowing doctors to enhance the pictures. The technique can be used to detect infant abnormalities.

34.Less rubbish

Derived from technology on the Space Shuttle, a waste compactor that needs no electrical power has been developed for boats and recreational vehicles. The device has hand-operated ratchets that drive a pressure plate with a compressive force of 2,000 pounds – a more than ample amount to crush cans, for instance.

35.Better skiing

Nasa developed the know-how to keep spacecraft windows clear of condensation before launch by applying two thin coatings of a special detergent oil mix to them. This has since been applied to stop ski goggles, deep sea diving masks, spectacles and vehicle windows from steaming up.

36.Better brakes

Studies of high-temperature space materials allowed the development of more resilient and cheaper materials for brake linings. These substances are now found in truck brakes, cranes and passenger cars and make for better and more reliable braking at high speed.

37.Improved air quality

A US firm has created an air-quality monitoring system based on a Nasa scheme. The monitor can analyze the gases emerging from chimneys and determine the amount of individual gases present, helping to ensure that buildings meet emission standards.

38.Life-saving heart technology

One benefit of Nasa’s work in telemetry – wireless control of devices – has been the creation of a heart pacemaker that can be controlled remotely. With no invasive procedures, a physician communicates with the pacemaker via a wireless device held over the patient’s chest.

39.A possible end to water shortages

Research into using bacteria as a means to remove impurities and purify water is being still being undertaken by Nasa. The system makes use of scant resources by turning waste water from respiration, sweat and urine into drinkable liquid and it’s hoped that this could help poorer communities in developing countries.

40.More competitive swimming

Some of the swimsuits favored by professional swimmers utilize technology found in spacesuits. The rubber is covered with barely visible grooves that reduce friction and aerodynamic drag by modifying the flow of water over an athlete’s body. These suits are 10 to 15 per cent faster than conventional swimsuits and could give an athlete the winning edge.

41.The self-righting life raft

Developed for the Apollo program, the raft fully inflates in 12 seconds and is stable during extremely adverse weather conditions. The craft are now used by coastguards around the world.

42.Home blood pressure kits

When Alan Shepard became the first American to fly in space some 37 years ago, Nasa scientists had to invent an automatic measuring device to find out how blasting off affected the astronaut’s blood pressure. Blood-pressure kits based on this design subsequently went mainstream.

43.Hydraulic rescue cutters

A rescue tool used by fire departments across America uses battery technology first employed by Nasa. The cutting technology – used to free accident victims from wreckage – employs a miniature version of the power cartridges first used on the Space Shuttle and is 50 per cent lighter (and 70 per cent cheaper) than previous rescue equipment. The cutters work more quickly than conventional ones and were used in the aftermath of the 1995 Oklahoma Federal Building bombing.

44.Satellite television

On 10 July 1962, a television transmission showed the American flag fluttering outside a communications center in Andover, Maine. It was made possible after Nasa launched its Telstar satellite, the world’s first active communications satellite, at 4.35 that morning.

45.Voice-controlled wheelchairs

Voice-controlled wheelchairs make use of Nasa robot voice recognition technology and are fitted with microcomputers that can respond to oral commands. The chairs help people with severe disabilities to perform daily tasks such as turning on appliances.

46.Mine-clearing technology

A type of surplus rocket fuel favored by Nasa has been used to create a device that can destroy land mines safely. The gadget uses the fuel to burn a hole in the mine’s casing and to burn away the explosive contents, making it easier to clear land of mines.

47.Long-life tires

The technology used to make parachutes to land exploratory probes was adapted by tire companies to create tires five times stronger than steel. Such technology, pioneered for use in tires by Goodyear in the late 1970s, employs long-chain molecular structures to increase tread lives by 10,000 miles, meaning that we can all drive further for less.

48.Eye screening

Nasa image-processing techniques are used to detect eye problems (errors in refraction, or the bending of light on to the retina) in children. An electronic flash from a 35mm camera sends light into the child’s eyes, and an image of the patient’s optical reflexes is then produced.

49.The personal alarm system

The pen-sized ultrasonic transmitters used by prison guards, teachers and the elderly and disabled to signal for help is based on technology derived from space telemetry. The pen transmits a silent signal to a receiver that will display the exact location of the emergency, enabling help to be sent.

50.The first photos of Saturn’s rings

In 1977, the probe Voyager 1 took almost 16,000 images of Saturn, its moons and its rings. The resulting photographs detected the presence of “spokes” within the planet’s ring patterns, which led scientists to reconsider theories about their formation.

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#2399811 - 11/07/17 12:10 AM Re: UFO`s Believe or not believe? [Re: sp392]
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#2399998 - 11/07/17 01:05 PM Re: UFO`s Believe or not believe? [Re: mopars4ever]
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Unfortunately most people haven't seen a UFO. If you ever do you will not accept that they are weather balloons or swamp gas. It is amazing with all the reported sightings that there is still no good evidence. These days everyone has a camera with them all the time. I see why it is hard to convince non-believers that UFO's do exist. Hollywood has made it harder for the subject to be taken seriously.

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#2400006 - 11/07/17 01:23 PM Re: UFO`s Believe or not believe? [Re: dan9]
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Unfortunately most people haven't seen a UFO. If you ever do you will not accept that they are weather balloons or swamp gas. It is amazing with all the reported sightings that there is still no good evidence. These days everyone has a camera with them all the time. I see why it is hard to convince non-believers that UFO's do exist. Hollywood has made it harder for the subject to be taken seriously.


I believe evidence DOES exist, but like Roswell, the evidence is covered-up & suppressed. Ever seen the movie "Fire in The Sky?" That was based on a true story by a logging crew in AZ. All the members of the crew took polygraph tests & passed. Whether you believe in UFO's or not, this was a very cool movie. There's even a YouTube series where one of the actual logger guys talks about his abduction. VERY interesting stuff!
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#2400008 - 11/07/17 01:24 PM Re: UFO`s Believe or not believe? [Re: mopars4ever]
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Hey - Don Garlits is a believer!
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#2400015 - 11/07/17 01:38 PM Re: UFO`s Believe or not believe? [Re: new bee]
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Originally Posted By new bee
Neil deGrasse Tyson's conversation on the topic is worth listening to.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSJElZwEI8o



laugh he's entertaining... good stuff...

and here is the follow-on with his views about life elsewhere in the Universe...

https://youtu.be/HO6ONMLfg5A


Edited by 67SATisfaction (11/07/17 01:43 PM)
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#2400022 - 11/07/17 01:56 PM Re: UFO`s Believe or not believe? [Re: Supercuda]
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I saw one once with my parents on a trip.
I once talked with Big Daddy {Garlits} at a show in Texas when the show was slow as it had rained>
We had a nice talk about God, UFO's and his 57 Chevy driver he towed with him, and his shirts and stuff.
I had a man who worked for my company who, said he was visited many times.
last time was when he was doing drugs behind a 7-11 by the dumpster. They flew over, put the lights on him. He pulled out his Bic Lighter. Flicked his "BIC"
They got scared and flew away. As he says they are Scared of Fire
I asked him if they are so smart that they can travel like that why are the scared of fire? he says they just are. But other than that they are 100% smart!
So smart they they disguised the smaller ship! The one, used to go back and forth from the Mother Ship, as a Police Helicopter
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#2400051 - 11/07/17 02:37 PM Re: UFO`s Believe or not believe? [Re: 67SATisfaction]
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Quote:
and here is the follow-on with his views about life elsewhere in the Universe...


One of my favorites.
I love the part about the DNA percentage comparisons.
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#2400058 - 11/07/17 02:50 PM Re: UFO`s Believe or not believe? [Re: mopars4ever]
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Interesting topic and mostly very good comments. I believe the UFO sightings throughout history have been real to the people who saw them. Whether or not they have been alien travelers visiting our planet is a different question. There are a lot of unexplained events that have happened on earth through time.

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#2400085 - 11/07/17 03:57 PM Re: UFO`s Believe or not believe? [Re: Sunroofcuda]
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Originally Posted By Sunroofcuda

I believe evidence DOES exist, but like Roswell, the evidence is covered-up & suppressed.


...because all Gov'ts on earth cooperate to maintain total control over all of the aliens who have travelled lightyears across the galaxy to visit our planet.
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#2400094 - 11/07/17 04:04 PM Re: UFO`s Believe or not believe? [Re: 67SATisfaction]
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#2400123 - 11/07/17 05:06 PM Re: UFO`s Believe or not believe? [Re: mopars4ever]
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Here's a good UFO story - the night police talked with an alien

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spINrGMxgKA

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#2400203 - 11/07/17 07:07 PM Re: UFO`s Believe or not believe? [Re: amxautox]
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Originally Posted By amxautox
Men in Black


^^^^^^^ Has to be this ^^^^
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#2400399 - 11/08/17 08:59 AM Re: UFO`s Believe or not believe? [Re: 67SATisfaction]
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Originally Posted By 67SATisfaction
Originally Posted By Sunroofcuda

I believe evidence DOES exist, but like Roswell, the evidence is covered-up & suppressed.


...because all Gov'ts on earth cooperate to maintain total control over all of the aliens who have travelled lightyears across the galaxy to visit our planet.




No no no, you got it all wrong. Clearly aliens would only visit the USA.

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#2400416 - 11/08/17 09:27 AM Re: UFO`s Believe or not believe? [Re: mopars4ever]
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Unless you have personally saw something that looked like a UFO, like many things, seeing is believing... then I understand why so many people don't believe.

Many years ago we had a pretty close up experience with what we believe was a UFO. There were at least 10 cars parked along the road and watching it. Very large round disc that floated up and made no sound at all. Could have been some experimental aircraft I guess. But I have yet to see anyone making anything similar nearly 30 years later.
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#2400512 - 11/08/17 11:47 AM Re: UFO`s Believe or not believe? [Re: Silver70]
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I believe in UFOs - that's Unidentified Flying Objects. What are they? Where are they from? Who knows - they're unidentified.

About 30 years ago I was in a campground and noticed some lights moving up in the sky. They would sit still for awhile and then suddenly move across about 120° of my vision within a couple of seconds to another spot and sit for awhile. It was more than one light doing this, and they appeared to move independently of each other, almost randomly. This went on for about 20 minutes and a buddy was with me seeing the same thing, so I know it wasn't some kind of hallucination on my side.

Have no explanation, but couldn't help but think that no plane or jet that I was familiar with would have the capability of accelerating that quickly, traveling across the sky in a matter of seconds and then stop as quickly. Nor can I imagine the human body being able to withstand such forces during acceleration and deceleration.

To this day I have no idea what it was, nor have I read any reports or news stories about any such phenomenon. shruggy

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#2400523 - 11/08/17 12:19 PM Re: UFO`s Believe or not believe? [Re: sp392]
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Originally Posted By sp392
Here's a good UFO story - the night police talked with an alien

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spINrGMxgKA


I tried to watch it, but switched over to a video about how to properly rake leaves. It was actually more entertaining.

Spoiler alert!- bags with draw string ties are crucial.
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#2400880 - 11/09/17 05:51 AM Re: UFO`s Believe or not believe? [Re: mopars4ever]
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We should all hope there's no such thing as extraterrestrial life that's capable of visiting earth flying in UFOs. The Europeans came to North American and found Indians. How did that work out for the Indians? If there are extraterrestrial beings flying UFOs around earth it's unlikely they will view humans as a superior life form.

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#2400895 - 11/09/17 07:28 AM Re: UFO`s Believe or not believe? [Re: TooMany62s]
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That's Hawking's view. Possible, but not much we can do about it if true. But it could also be that a far more technically advanced alien culture is more ethically advanced as well. We might become pampered pets instead of abused slaves. Or just left alone and observed to see if we survive our own misadventures.

Saturn Run is an entertaining read about first contact.

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#2400898 - 11/09/17 07:44 AM Re: UFO`s Believe or not believe? [Re: mopars4ever]
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#2401095 - 11/09/17 03:47 PM Re: UFO`s Believe or not believe? [Re: mopars4ever]
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Well, if they do come & mean harm to us, have your harmonica ready..........
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#2401100 - 11/09/17 03:57 PM Re: UFO`s Believe or not believe? [Re: TooMany62s]
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Originally Posted By TooMany62s
We should all hope there's no such thing as extraterrestrial life that's capable of visiting earth flying in UFOs. The Europeans came to North American and found Indians. How did that work out for the Indians? If there are extraterrestrial beings flying UFOs around earth it's unlikely they will view humans as a superior life form.


Anybody remember the book "To Serve Man" ?

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#2401102 - 11/09/17 04:05 PM Re: UFO`s Believe or not believe? [Re: Pacnorthcuda]
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Originally Posted By Pacnorthcuda
Originally Posted By TooMany62s
We should all hope there's no such thing as extraterrestrial life that's capable of visiting earth flying in UFOs. The Europeans came to North American and found Indians. How did that work out for the Indians? If there are extraterrestrial beings flying UFOs around earth it's unlikely they will view humans as a superior life form.


Anybody remember the book "To Serve Man" ?
I saw the movie. shock

Oh, and why do you think mankind is getting fatter and fatter. And we don't even know why...

Oh more... Or was it an Outer Limits episode? work


Edited by amxautox (11/09/17 04:07 PM)
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#2401106 - 11/09/17 04:12 PM Re: UFO`s Believe or not believe? [Re: amxautox]
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Originally Posted By amxautox
Originally Posted By Pacnorthcuda
Originally Posted By TooMany62s
We should all hope there's no such thing as extraterrestrial life that's capable of visiting earth flying in UFOs. The Europeans came to North American and found Indians. How did that work out for the Indians? If there are extraterrestrial beings flying UFOs around earth it's unlikely they will view humans as a superior life form.


Anybody remember the book "To Serve Man" ?
I saw the movie. shock

Oh, and why do you think mankind is getting fatter and fatter. And we don't even know why...

Oh more... Or was it an Outer Limits episode? work


Twilight Zone

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#2401138 - 11/09/17 06:20 PM Re: UFO`s Believe or not believe? [Re: TooMany62s]
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Originally Posted By TooMany62s
We should all hope there's no such thing as extraterrestrial life that's capable of visiting earth flying in UFOs. The Europeans came to North American and found Indians. How did that work out for the Indians? If there are extraterrestrial beings flying UFOs around earth it's unlikely they will view humans as a superior life form.


It didn't work out bad for the Indians in the long run. Now they have houses, cars, medicine, and can buy their food in a store. That's an easier life than they had before. If aliens can cure our ilnesses, and improve our lives, why wouldn't we want to interact with them?

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#2401167 - 11/09/17 07:45 PM Re: UFO`s Believe or not believe? [Re: mopars4ever]
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There is some fu-ju talk of ufo's on the news around here the last few days with people seeing strange lights going back and forth in the night sky. eek
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#2401207 - 11/09/17 09:43 PM Re: UFO`s Believe or not believe? [Re: mopars4ever]
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My sisters, identical twins, told me they saw a UFO once about 30 years ago. It was moving away a little slowly, then whoosh, gone in a flash. I just kind of shrugged it off...but the way they have acted over the past years has convinced me they told the truth. So, I said to them a while back “ I believe you saw a UFO, but it wasn’t unidentified. It had just dropped both of you off and was hauling azz back to the home planet!!!”

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#2401333 - 11/10/17 09:03 AM Re: UFO`s Believe or not believe? [Re: Hemi_Joel]
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Originally Posted By Hemi_Joel
Originally Posted By TooMany62s
We should all hope there's no such thing as extraterrestrial life that's capable of visiting earth flying in UFOs. The Europeans came to North American and found Indians. How did that work out for the Indians? If there are extraterrestrial beings flying UFOs around earth it's unlikely they will view humans as a superior life form.


It didn't work out bad for the Indians in the long run. Now they have houses, cars, medicine, and can buy their food in a store. That's an easier life than they had before. If aliens can cure our ilnesses, and improve our lives, why wouldn't we want to interact with them?



*This is coming from a Canadian perspective where the treatment of our native people was/is absolutely horrific…*
Uhm…
Having their land stolen?
Having many of their family slaughtered?
Having their children abducted?
Having their way of life slowly eradicated?
Living in poverty?
etc.
Those things aren't good. I think that was the point he was trying to make.

Now these two arguments are making the assumption aliens that would visit are either friendly and helpful, or malicious and destructive. We have no clue what would motivate aliens. The could bring diseases that would wipe us out, that may be as simple for them as the common cold. Not every integration could be positive nor every interaction negative. It's such a wide open prospect, that it should probably be approached with caution.
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#2401357 - 11/10/17 09:55 AM Re: UFO`s Believe or not believe? [Re: wunderless]
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Originally Posted By wunderless
Originally Posted By Hemi_Joel
Originally Posted By TooMany62s
We should all hope there's no such thing as extraterrestrial life that's capable of visiting earth flying in UFOs. The Europeans came to North American and found Indians. How did that work out for the Indians? If there are extraterrestrial beings flying UFOs around earth it's unlikely they will view humans as a superior life form.


It didn't work out bad for the Indians in the long run. Now they have houses, cars, medicine, and can buy their food in a store. That's an easier life than they had before. If aliens can cure our ilnesses, and improve our lives, why wouldn't we want to interact with them?



*This is coming from a Canadian perspective where the treatment of our native people was/is absolutely horrific…*
Uhm…
Having their land stolen?
Having many of their family slaughtered?
Having their children abducted?
Having their way of life slowly eradicated?
Living in poverty?
etc.



And that is unique to this particular group of conquered people how?

It's not. Just another victim card being played and that game is now over.
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#2401422 - 11/10/17 12:29 PM Re: UFO`s Believe or not believe? [Re: Hemi_Joel]
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Originally Posted By Hemi_Joel
[quote=TooMany62s]

It didn't work out bad for the Indians in the long run. Now they have houses, cars, medicine, and can buy their food in a store. That's an easier life than they had before. If aliens can cure our ilnesses, and improve our lives, why wouldn't we want to interact with them?


That's like telling a rape victim Hey, you're ugly, but at least you got laid. Reservations generally suck.

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#2401437 - 11/10/17 01:05 PM Re: UFO`s Believe or not believe? [Re: Supercuda]
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Originally Posted By Supercuda
Originally Posted By wunderless
Originally Posted By Hemi_Joel
Originally Posted By TooMany62s
We should all hope there's no such thing as extraterrestrial life that's capable of visiting earth flying in UFOs. The Europeans came to North American and found Indians. How did that work out for the Indians? If there are extraterrestrial beings flying UFOs around earth it's unlikely they will view humans as a superior life form.


It didn't work out bad for the Indians in the long run. Now they have houses, cars, medicine, and can buy their food in a store. That's an easier life than they had before. If aliens can cure our ilnesses, and improve our lives, why wouldn't we want to interact with them?



*This is coming from a Canadian perspective where the treatment of our native people was/is absolutely horrific…*
Uhm…
Having their land stolen?
Having many of their family slaughtered?
Having their children abducted?
Having their way of life slowly eradicated?
Living in poverty?
etc.



And that is unique to this particular group of conquered people how?

It's not. Just another victim card being played and that game is now over.


Well, I never said it was unique to them.

But, just because it isn't unique to them doesn't make what happens to them acceptable. It doesn't mean I can't be compassionate and recognize their struggles and eradication of culture. They are often treated as a lower class of people. The game is not over. They still exist, and are still experiencing some of the same struggles their ancestors did.

Regardless, since I'm sure you will have some reply about how I'm wrong or they should just get over it, the point of the comparison was to illustrate how an encounter with a new being may not be pleasant or work out well for the visited party. If people think aliens will come here shake hands and help us further our species it very well may not be the case.
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#2401441 - 11/10/17 01:13 PM Re: UFO`s Believe or not believe? [Re: wunderless]
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I just hope it all comes together like the movie Independence Day. Aliens come here, blow away all the big cities, then we kick their butts. It would solve one side of the equation anyway... stirthepot


Edited by Rhinodart (11/10/17 01:14 PM)
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#2401460 - 11/10/17 01:52 PM Re: UFO`s Believe or not believe? [Re: Supercuda]
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Originally Posted By Supercuda
Originally Posted By wunderless
Originally Posted By Hemi_Joel
Originally Posted By TooMany62s
We should all hope there's no such thing as extraterrestrial life that's capable of visiting earth flying in UFOs. The Europeans came to North American and found Indians. How did that work out for the Indians? If there are extraterrestrial beings flying UFOs around earth it's unlikely they will view humans as a superior life form.


It didn't work out bad for the Indians in the long run. Now they have houses, cars, medicine, and can buy their food in a store. That's an easier life than they had before. If aliens can cure our ilnesses, and improve our lives, why wouldn't we want to interact with them?



*This is coming from a Canadian perspective where the treatment of our native people was/is absolutely horrific…*
Uhm…
Having their land stolen?
Having many of their family slaughtered?
Having their children abducted?
Having their way of life slowly eradicated?
Living in poverty?
etc.



And that is unique to this particular group of conquered people how?

It's not. Just another victim card being played and that game is now over.


I don't think you understand the circumstances very well.

First of all, the indigenous people in Canada were "conquered" almost 300 years ago. Yet, they are still treated as second class citizens in the country. Some of their communities don't even have access to clean drinking water.

Our government attempted to eliminate their culture by taking their children and putting them in special school systems designed to take away their native culture and replace it with "Canadian values" - this happened as recently as 1996.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Indian_residential_school_system

Quote:
The residential school system harmed Indigenous children significantly by removing them from their families, depriving them of their ancestral languages, exposing many of them to physical and sexual abuse, and forcibly enfranchising them. Disconnected from their families and culture and forced to speak English or French, students who attended the residential school system often graduated unable to fit into either their communities or Canadian society. It ultimately proved successful in disrupting the transmission of Indigenous practices and beliefs across generations. The legacy of the system has been linked to an increased prevalence of post-traumatic stress, alcoholism, substance abuse, and suicide, which persist within Indigenous communities.


On the other hand, in Canada, France was a "conquered nation" when England defeated France after decades of war for control of what would become Canada. However, today the french people in Canada (mainly in Quebec), who are mostly of white European descent, are basically bowed-down to by the government. In fact it's even law in Canada that all labels must have both English and French on them, among many other concessions to their culture.

There is definitely a difference in how "conquered people" have been treated in Canada.

Hopefully that helps you understand the situation a little more clearly. twocents

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#2401665 - 11/10/17 08:49 PM Re: UFO`s Believe or not believe? [Re: mopars4ever]
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Hey! this a ufo thread, so take the native conversation somewhere else.
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#2401701 - 11/10/17 10:00 PM Re: UFO`s Believe or not believe? [Re: poorboy]
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I like the quote from "Contact"
"If we are the only ones, it sure is a waste of space."

Then there is that quote from MIB
"Just think what we'll know tomorrow."

The word universe, as used to describe our place in time and space, to me, says there is no beginning and no end.
If you think you have found the end, what is on the other side?
There has to be something.
I think we all have some of it right.
We will never know just what is and what is not.
The sky is so vast, there has to be other beings of some sort some where.
This doesn't mean any of them or any of us will ever get far enough to find each other. We, here today, will never know.
Maybe some day but not today.
Were they ever here? It is possible, however, not probable. Also not proven beyond any doubt. Maybe we are a transplant, maybe we evolved, again, maybe both. No one can prove or disprove any of it.
If you choose to believe in a Divine Entity.
It does not mean we are the only creatures He, She, It, created.
That my friends, is the purest of vanity.
I look at the night sky and think there must be some one or something somewhere out there.
Were we planted here? Maybe.
Again it can not be proven or disproved.
Does time actually exists? I find it simply our measurement of our own existence. If it was not, we would not need to, or be able to adjust it to suit our needs. Eastern, Standard, Pacific. What the heck does that all mean in the real world? WE did just set our clocks back. However some do not. We also have to run time slower in our satellites in order to keep time with our clocks here on earth. Think of the wheel on a bike. Does the outer perimeter actually go slower then the axle?
Can space be bent? I don't believe it. Just another of our interpretations of something we cannot explain, or prove, or disprove, or even understand entirely.
What I find funny is how the current science is always taught as "fact".
It seems we usually find out we have it half right at best.
I see today's science to be as flawed as any other time.
We will never know one way or the other in this lifetime.

Now is that reincarnation or a belief in heaven?
What is the true difference?
If you are bad, you go to Hell?
Sounds to me like coming back as an animal trapped in a cage and treated like it has no emotion or feelings, there fore it's life, safety, health, or happiness doesn't matter.
Isn't that what some say the aliens do to us?
Mutilate and experiment?
Go ahead, try to explain the difference.
Or???
You must decide for yourself.
Any how, I think I just crossed some kind of line.
Hope I can connect with some of you like this again in the next go round. grin
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#2401768 - 11/11/17 04:52 AM Re: UFO`s Believe or not believe? [Re: mopars4ever]
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Napoleon Bonaparte himself often spoke of being kidnapped by beings in flying disc, so who knows?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westall_UFO

Check out this incident above from 50 years ago when a whole school witnessed an amazing event down under.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disappearance_of_Frederick_Valentich

And also the above event which made international news and is still a mystery today.


Edited by fullonmopar (11/11/17 04:59 AM)

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#2402005 - 11/11/17 02:19 PM Re: UFO`s Believe or not believe? [Re: mopars4ever]
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One could land in my Dad's front yard, bring him aboard & feed him dinner, then let him go & he still wouldn't believe it.
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#2402030 - 11/11/17 03:23 PM Re: UFO`s Believe or not believe? [Re: Sunroofcuda]
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I have a friend whose father believed pro wrestling was real and the moon landing was fake.
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#2402123 - 11/11/17 05:46 PM Re: UFO`s Believe or not believe? [Re: mopars4ever]
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My theory is that
All these Alien cultures
(like us too)
naturally want to understand
Black Holes,
get too close to one,
ZZZaaap!

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#2402140 - 11/11/17 06:02 PM Re: UFO`s Believe or not believe? [Re: BSharp]
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Just as Degrasse-Tyson suggests...we ourselves are made up from the Universe. Our biological bodies have carbon/nitrogen/oxygen etc..just as the Universe has in it. So it goes without saying, that any "life forms"
beyond this planet, that do exist, are indeed our biological brothers, since we are ALL made up of the same stuff! That being said..I truly
believe Donald Trump is an alien..I have never seen another human being
my entire life, more narcissistic and full of himself, than this "person".
I think he is from another planet, on a secret mission to destroy us all!
That's right, you heard it here first, folks!! alien runaway
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#2402179 - 11/11/17 07:02 PM Re: UFO`s Believe or not believe? [Re: RoadRunnerLuva]
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Originally Posted By RoadRunnerLuva
Just as Degrasse-Tyson suggests...we ourselves are made up from the Universe. Our biological bodies have carbon/nitrogen/oxygen etc..just as the Universe has in it. So it goes without saying, that any "life forms"
beyond this planet, that do exist, are indeed our biological brothers, since we are ALL made up of the same stuff! That being said..I truly
believe Donald Trump is an alien..I have never seen another human being
my entire life, more narcissistic and full of himself, than this "person".
I think he is from another planet, on a secret mission to destroy us all!
That's right, you heard it here first, folks!! alien runaway


Well alrighty then...

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#2402184 - 11/11/17 07:07 PM Re: UFO`s Believe or not believe? [Re: mopars4ever]
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Was that the kiss of death for this thread? shruggy

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#2402189 - 11/11/17 07:10 PM Re: UFO`s Believe or not believe? [Re: mopars4ever]
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Mighta been.

Nuttin like screwing up a good thread with a great subject.
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#2402223 - 11/11/17 07:48 PM Re: UFO`s Believe or not believe? [Re: amxautox]
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#2402230 - 11/11/17 08:01 PM Re: UFO`s Believe or not believe? [Re: mopars4ever]
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Go away roadrunner.

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#2402239 - 11/11/17 08:18 PM Re: UFO`s Believe or not believe? [Re: mopars4ever]
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Registered: 09/04/07
Posts: 12560
Loc: West Texas
Another Delta Alpha for the ignore like.
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#2402244 - 11/11/17 08:31 PM Re: UFO`s Believe or not believe? [Re: Supercuda]
amxautox Online   content
Still Retired. Still Posting on Moparts. A Lot.

Registered: 05/13/03
Posts: 95680
Loc: On The Boat, On The Lake, Wa. ...
Delta Alpha


haha
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#2402248 - 11/11/17 08:38 PM Re: UFO`s Believe or not believe? [Re: Pacnorthcuda]
RoadRunnerLuva Offline
top fuel

Registered: 01/31/03
Posts: 2320
Loc: The Great Lakes State
Originally Posted By Pacnorthcuda
Go away roadrunner.


Im just like the universe...perpetual....ignore me if you like,
but I am entitled to MY opinion, and that's my opinion of aliens.

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