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#2391739 - 10/23/17 10:34 AM Who should I consult on my Hemi Challenger?
McCandlessboy Offline
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Those that know my collection, I'm a forward look guy 57-61. I was at Mecum Indy and really fell in love with the color combo on this Hemi car. I wanted to have a real hemi car in the collection at some point, but never expected it would be this soon. Here is the car I purchased:

https://www.mecum.com/lots/SC0517-282522/1970-dodge-hemi-challenger-rt/

I want the car to be right, but the knowledge gap between what we know and the true collectors of these cars know, is massive. We're very sharp on our specialty, but this is outside of that. Is there someone recognized who could come inspect the car and give some guidance on things we could do to make it as correct as possible? In a way, I know I'm what the hobby hates, someone who bought a car and doesn't know what they bought. I felt I was buying a real hemi car at a safe price that I could get out from one day and not get killed. All while having a great color combo that appealed to me. Now, I just want it to be accurate as can be. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

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#2391746 - 10/23/17 10:49 AM Re: Who should I consult on my Hemi Challenger? [Re: McCandlessboy]
71birdJ68 Offline
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Frank Baldason, and or Roger Gibson.

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#2391788 - 10/23/17 12:01 PM Re: Who should I consult on my Hemi Challenger? [Re: McCandlessboy]
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Frank Badalson and Dave Wise at www.mmcdetroit.com. Frank has written many articles on correct, original restos & Dave offers judges training and Barret Jackson also hires him to authenticate their Mopars. Frank sells correct paints & many correct parts and has a lot of info on his site http://www.rogergibsonautorestoration.com/frank/frank-badalson-home/

I bought his 2 stage Organisol and other parts for a Challenger hemi clone I once had & was really pleased.

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#2391803 - 10/23/17 12:28 PM Re: Who should I consult on my Hemi Challenger? [Re: McCandlessboy]
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A friend of mine has two Hemi Challengers. PM me and I'll give you his number. Maybe he can give you advice based on his experiences (including getting ripped off on paint and body work).
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#2391811 - 10/23/17 12:46 PM Re: Who should I consult on my Hemi Challenger? [Re: McCandlessboy]
BigMoneyLewis Online   content
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It looks good to me from what I can see. You should contact the person who restored the car and find out as much as you can about the previous condition , history , etc. Crawl under and confirm the engine/trans match,
make sure all your date codes and casting dates are within reason, and confirm the rad support / cowl number (all of which you should have done before purchase) Other than that, I would not worry about it . Store it in a climate controlled environment , and enjoy owning it .

Greg
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#2392255 - 10/24/17 09:50 AM Re: Who should I consult on my Hemi Challenger? [Re: Triggerfish]
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Originally Posted By Triggerfish
Frank Badalson and Dave Wise at www.mmcdetroit.com. Frank has written many articles on correct, original restos & Dave offers judges training and Barret Jackson also hires him to authenticate their Mopars. Frank sells correct paints & many correct parts and has a lot of info on his site http://www.rogergibsonautorestoration.com/frank/frank-badalson-home/

I bought his 2 stage Organisol and other parts for a Challenger hemi clone I once had & was really pleased.


Chances are Frank, Roger and Dave have already seen this car. I would definitely check with them.
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#2392458 - 10/24/17 04:10 PM Re: Who should I consult on my Hemi Challenger? [Re: McCandlessboy]
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Take it to Carlisle, enter the show, and review your score sheet after. It will be a nice checklist of what to "fix".
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#2392462 - 10/24/17 04:17 PM Re: Who should I consult on my Hemi Challenger? [Re: McCandlessboy]
JRepucci Offline
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Those are not 2944450 wheels, and it has the wrong master cylinder... should have a 2229191.

5 very expensive parts... $4000-$6000 worth

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#2392481 - 10/24/17 04:57 PM Re: Who should I consult on my Hemi Challenger? [Re: McCandlessboy]
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The rear tail light panel should not be blacked out. Only T/As had that.
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#2392532 - 10/24/17 06:36 PM Re: Who should I consult on my Hemi Challenger? [Re: McCandlessboy]
JRepucci Offline
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Numbers to check


front carb: 4742
rear carb:4746
Distributor: 2875989
Radiator: 2998956
Fan Clutch: 2806070
Exhaust Manifold (LH): 3418453

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#2392622 - 10/24/17 08:53 PM Re: Who should I consult on my Hemi Challenger? [Re: JRepucci]
DAYCLONA Offline
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Along with the previously mentioned items, the underhood cowl needs blackout, remove that tag on the battery, that tag was never supplied nor correct, voltage regulator "should" be white lettered IMHO, that plastic zip tie on the heater hoses has to go, there's an aluminum strap tie for that...
Checkvalve on booster should be painted black as well (the entire booster/master assy was delivered to the line as a black painted assy), valve cover breather hose missing clips...remove the grommet from the headlight floor dimmer switch, factory just cut a slice for the dimmer, no grommet ever...You'll need correct HEMI battery cables/terminal ends, that's a difficult find though...the ralley dash woodgrain appears to be of 71 (Kasmir walnut) vintage, IMHO I'd change it out for the lighter American Walnut grain used on 70- to early/mid 71 E bodies. the darker reddish Kasmir grain was used mid 71- to 74 production...
IMHO the emission tag should be further back on the slanted portion of the sidewall, and it appears you need to change out one of the fender tag screws, as well as the aircleaner/filter element if correctness is your goal...

Nice car though! just a few small items that are easily rectified

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#2392703 - 10/24/17 11:22 PM Re: Who should I consult on my Hemi Challenger? [Re: McCandlessboy]
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If you need to replace the woodgrain instrument bezels, Performance Car Graphics, IMO, has the most accurate & best quality lithographed metal bezels. Had them on my Challenger & they were spot on. When I called them, they explained the wood & color differences between early & mid year. Great people to deal with.

http://www.performancecargraphics.com/Dash_Stuff/Woodgrain/E-body_Rallye_Wood_Plates_Short.htm

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#2393263 - 10/26/17 08:05 AM Re: Who should I consult on my Hemi Challenger? [Re: jeff968]
McCandlessboy Offline
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Originally Posted By jeff968
Take it to Carlisle, enter the show, and review your score sheet after. It will be a nice checklist of what to "fix".


I'll be honest, not a car show guy. We drive all the stuff in the collection, including this. I want to appreciate the car, but also want to do what I can to get things right along the way. Everyone has their idea of fun with cars, entering a judged event just isn't my thing.

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#2393265 - 10/26/17 08:05 AM Re: Who should I consult on my Hemi Challenger? [Re: JRepucci]
McCandlessboy Offline
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Originally Posted By JRepucci
Those are not 2944450 wheels, and it has the wrong master cylinder... should have a 2229191.

5 very expensive parts... $4000-$6000 worth



Thank you!

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#2393267 - 10/26/17 08:07 AM Re: Who should I consult on my Hemi Challenger? [Re: DAYCLONA]
McCandlessboy Offline
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Originally Posted By DAYCLONA
Along with the previously mentioned items, the underhood cowl needs blackout, remove that tag on the battery, that tag was never supplied nor correct, voltage regulator "should" be white lettered IMHO, that plastic zip tie on the heater hoses has to go, there's an aluminum strap tie for that...
Checkvalve on booster should be painted black as well (the entire booster/master assy was delivered to the line as a black painted assy), valve cover breather hose missing clips...remove the grommet from the headlight floor dimmer switch, factory just cut a slice for the dimmer, no grommet ever...You'll need correct HEMI battery cables/terminal ends, that's a difficult find though...the ralley dash woodgrain appears to be of 71 (Kasmir walnut) vintage, IMHO I'd change it out for the lighter American Walnut grain used on 70- to early/mid 71 E bodies. the darker reddish Kasmir grain was used mid 71- to 74 production...
IMHO the emission tag should be further back on the slanted portion of the sidewall, and it appears you need to change out one of the fender tag screws, as well as the aircleaner/filter element if correctness is your goal...

Nice car though! just a few small items that are easily rectified


Wow! Amazes me how people know this off the top of their head. Thank you.

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#2393339 - 10/26/17 11:21 AM Re: Who should I consult on my Hemi Challenger? [Re: McCandlessboy]
NANKET Offline
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Registered: 12/13/03
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Loc: northwest USA
You know the same amount of things for the FL cars.

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#2393394 - 10/26/17 01:18 PM Re: Who should I consult on my Hemi Challenger? [Re: McCandlessboy]
71birdJ68 Offline
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The voltage regulator should also have a raised bump to the right of the plug. Cab't tell from the pictures if it does, or not.

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#2393421 - 10/26/17 02:33 PM Re: Who should I consult on my Hemi Challenger? [Re: BigMoneyLewis]
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Originally Posted By BigMoneyLewis
It looks good to me from what I can see. You should contact the person who restored the car and find out as much as you can about the previous condition , history , etc. Crawl under and confirm the engine/trans match,
make sure all your date codes and casting dates are within reason, and confirm the rad support / cowl number (all of which you should have done before purchase) Other than that, I would not worry about it . Store it in a climate controlled environment , and enjoy owning it .

Greg


My goodness.. It would drive me nuts knowing the lock washer on the alternator bolt was incorrect........ LOL

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#2393436 - 10/26/17 02:53 PM Re: Who should I consult on my Hemi Challenger? [Re: DAYCLONA]
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Originally Posted By DAYCLONA
Along with the previously mentioned items, the underhood cowl needs blackout, remove that tag on the battery, that tag was never supplied nor correct, voltage regulator "should" be white lettered IMHO, that plastic zip tie on the heater hoses has to go, there's an aluminum strap tie for that...
Checkvalve on booster should be painted black as well (the entire booster/master assy was delivered to the line as a black painted assy), valve cover breather hose missing clips...remove the grommet from the headlight floor dimmer switch, factory just cut a slice for the dimmer, no grommet ever...You'll need correct HEMI battery cables/terminal ends, that's a difficult find though...the ralley dash woodgrain appears to be of 71 (Kasmir walnut) vintage, IMHO I'd change it out for the lighter American Walnut grain used on 70- to early/mid 71 E bodies. the darker reddish Kasmir grain was used mid 71- to 74 production...
IMHO the emission tag should be further back on the slanted portion of the sidewall, and it appears you need to change out one of the fender tag screws, as well as the aircleaner/filter element if correctness is your goal...

Nice car though! just a few small items that are easily rectified


Agree with all above but also Radiator cap should have the large rivet and the coil should have Green lettering.

Love the car so these things are just weekend choirs.
Ron

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#2393991 - 10/27/17 07:28 PM Re: Who should I consult on my Hemi Challenger? [Re: BigMoneyLewis]
McCandlessboy Offline
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Registered: 12/01/04
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Originally Posted By BigMoneyLewis
It looks good to me from what I can see. You should contact the person who restored the car and find out as much as you can about the previous condition , history , etc. Crawl under and confirm the engine/trans match,
make sure all your date codes and casting dates are within reason, and confirm the rad support / cowl number (all of which you should have done before purchase) Other than that, I would not worry about it . Store it in a climate controlled environment , and enjoy owning it .

Greg


I was going to let this go, but I just can't. Telling me what I should or shouldn't have done before purchasing, is relative. I'm a car guy at heart. I'm not someone that buys a car and stares at it. My family drives all of my cars. Today my father is driving my 58 Desoto Adventurer convertible, there are 8 left in the world. I ran errands in my 300G convertible, had the interior stacked with boxes from running around. On my wheelhouse of cars, forward looks, I'm very careful, but occasionally you just want a car. I fell in love with this Hemi car. I didn't care if it wasn't perfect, didn't have everything matching. I had a price I was willing to pay, which was actually my final bid. I would not have bid again had someone bid against me.

If I bought the car and everything was wrong I would have been ok with that. It's a cool car, that was originally a hemi car, that's good enough to me. Now that I have it, over the next few years, we'll do things to fix the details. Sometimes owning a car should be about owning a cool car, not just investment.

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