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#2391739 - 10/23/17 10:34 AM Who should I consult on my Hemi Challenger?
McCandlessboy Offline
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Those that know my collection, I'm a forward look guy 57-61. I was at Mecum Indy and really fell in love with the color combo on this Hemi car. I wanted to have a real hemi car in the collection at some point, but never expected it would be this soon. Here is the car I purchased:

https://www.mecum.com/lots/SC0517-282522/1970-dodge-hemi-challenger-rt/

I want the car to be right, but the knowledge gap between what we know and the true collectors of these cars know, is massive. We're very sharp on our specialty, but this is outside of that. Is there someone recognized who could come inspect the car and give some guidance on things we could do to make it as correct as possible? In a way, I know I'm what the hobby hates, someone who bought a car and doesn't know what they bought. I felt I was buying a real hemi car at a safe price that I could get out from one day and not get killed. All while having a great color combo that appealed to me. Now, I just want it to be accurate as can be. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

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#2391746 - 10/23/17 10:49 AM Re: Who should I consult on my Hemi Challenger? [Re: McCandlessboy]
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Frank Baldason, and or Roger Gibson.

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#2391788 - 10/23/17 12:01 PM Re: Who should I consult on my Hemi Challenger? [Re: McCandlessboy]
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Frank Badalson and Dave Wise at www.mmcdetroit.com. Frank has written many articles on correct, original restos & Dave offers judges training and Barret Jackson also hires him to authenticate their Mopars. Frank sells correct paints & many correct parts and has a lot of info on his site http://www.rogergibsonautorestoration.com/frank/frank-badalson-home/

I bought his 2 stage Organisol and other parts for a Challenger hemi clone I once had & was really pleased.

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#2391803 - 10/23/17 12:28 PM Re: Who should I consult on my Hemi Challenger? [Re: McCandlessboy]
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A friend of mine has two Hemi Challengers. PM me and I'll give you his number. Maybe he can give you advice based on his experiences (including getting ripped off on paint and body work).
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#2391811 - 10/23/17 12:46 PM Re: Who should I consult on my Hemi Challenger? [Re: McCandlessboy]
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It looks good to me from what I can see. You should contact the person who restored the car and find out as much as you can about the previous condition , history , etc. Crawl under and confirm the engine/trans match,
make sure all your date codes and casting dates are within reason, and confirm the rad support / cowl number (all of which you should have done before purchase) Other than that, I would not worry about it . Store it in a climate controlled environment , and enjoy owning it .

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#2392255 - 10/24/17 09:50 AM Re: Who should I consult on my Hemi Challenger? [Re: Triggerfish]
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Originally Posted By Triggerfish
Frank Badalson and Dave Wise at www.mmcdetroit.com. Frank has written many articles on correct, original restos & Dave offers judges training and Barret Jackson also hires him to authenticate their Mopars. Frank sells correct paints & many correct parts and has a lot of info on his site http://www.rogergibsonautorestoration.com/frank/frank-badalson-home/

I bought his 2 stage Organisol and other parts for a Challenger hemi clone I once had & was really pleased.


Chances are Frank, Roger and Dave have already seen this car. I would definitely check with them.
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#2392458 - 10/24/17 04:10 PM Re: Who should I consult on my Hemi Challenger? [Re: McCandlessboy]
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Take it to Carlisle, enter the show, and review your score sheet after. It will be a nice checklist of what to "fix".
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#2392462 - 10/24/17 04:17 PM Re: Who should I consult on my Hemi Challenger? [Re: McCandlessboy]
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Those are not 2944450 wheels, and it has the wrong master cylinder... should have a 2229191.

5 very expensive parts... $4000-$6000 worth

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#2392481 - 10/24/17 04:57 PM Re: Who should I consult on my Hemi Challenger? [Re: McCandlessboy]
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The rear tail light panel should not be blacked out. Only T/As had that.
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#2392532 - 10/24/17 06:36 PM Re: Who should I consult on my Hemi Challenger? [Re: McCandlessboy]
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Numbers to check


front carb: 4742
rear carb:4746
Distributor: 2875989
Radiator: 2998956
Fan Clutch: 2806070
Exhaust Manifold (LH): 3418453

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#2392622 - 10/24/17 08:53 PM Re: Who should I consult on my Hemi Challenger? [Re: JRepucci]
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Along with the previously mentioned items, the underhood cowl needs blackout, remove that tag on the battery, that tag was never supplied nor correct, voltage regulator "should" be white lettered IMHO, that plastic zip tie on the heater hoses has to go, there's an aluminum strap tie for that...
Checkvalve on booster should be painted black as well (the entire booster/master assy was delivered to the line as a black painted assy), valve cover breather hose missing clips...remove the grommet from the headlight floor dimmer switch, factory just cut a slice for the dimmer, no grommet ever...You'll need correct HEMI battery cables/terminal ends, that's a difficult find though...the ralley dash woodgrain appears to be of 71 (Kasmir walnut) vintage, IMHO I'd change it out for the lighter American Walnut grain used on 70- to early/mid 71 E bodies. the darker reddish Kasmir grain was used mid 71- to 74 production...
IMHO the emission tag should be further back on the slanted portion of the sidewall, and it appears you need to change out one of the fender tag screws, as well as the aircleaner/filter element if correctness is your goal...

Nice car though! just a few small items that are easily rectified

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#2392703 - 10/24/17 11:22 PM Re: Who should I consult on my Hemi Challenger? [Re: McCandlessboy]
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If you need to replace the woodgrain instrument bezels, Performance Car Graphics, IMO, has the most accurate & best quality lithographed metal bezels. Had them on my Challenger & they were spot on. When I called them, they explained the wood & color differences between early & mid year. Great people to deal with.

http://www.performancecargraphics.com/Dash_Stuff/Woodgrain/E-body_Rallye_Wood_Plates_Short.htm

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#2393263 - 10/26/17 08:05 AM Re: Who should I consult on my Hemi Challenger? [Re: jeff968]
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Originally Posted By jeff968
Take it to Carlisle, enter the show, and review your score sheet after. It will be a nice checklist of what to "fix".


I'll be honest, not a car show guy. We drive all the stuff in the collection, including this. I want to appreciate the car, but also want to do what I can to get things right along the way. Everyone has their idea of fun with cars, entering a judged event just isn't my thing.

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#2393265 - 10/26/17 08:05 AM Re: Who should I consult on my Hemi Challenger? [Re: JRepucci]
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Originally Posted By JRepucci
Those are not 2944450 wheels, and it has the wrong master cylinder... should have a 2229191.

5 very expensive parts... $4000-$6000 worth



Thank you!

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#2393267 - 10/26/17 08:07 AM Re: Who should I consult on my Hemi Challenger? [Re: DAYCLONA]
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Originally Posted By DAYCLONA
Along with the previously mentioned items, the underhood cowl needs blackout, remove that tag on the battery, that tag was never supplied nor correct, voltage regulator "should" be white lettered IMHO, that plastic zip tie on the heater hoses has to go, there's an aluminum strap tie for that...
Checkvalve on booster should be painted black as well (the entire booster/master assy was delivered to the line as a black painted assy), valve cover breather hose missing clips...remove the grommet from the headlight floor dimmer switch, factory just cut a slice for the dimmer, no grommet ever...You'll need correct HEMI battery cables/terminal ends, that's a difficult find though...the ralley dash woodgrain appears to be of 71 (Kasmir walnut) vintage, IMHO I'd change it out for the lighter American Walnut grain used on 70- to early/mid 71 E bodies. the darker reddish Kasmir grain was used mid 71- to 74 production...
IMHO the emission tag should be further back on the slanted portion of the sidewall, and it appears you need to change out one of the fender tag screws, as well as the aircleaner/filter element if correctness is your goal...

Nice car though! just a few small items that are easily rectified


Wow! Amazes me how people know this off the top of their head. Thank you.

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#2393339 - 10/26/17 11:21 AM Re: Who should I consult on my Hemi Challenger? [Re: McCandlessboy]
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You know the same amount of things for the FL cars.

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#2393394 - 10/26/17 01:18 PM Re: Who should I consult on my Hemi Challenger? [Re: McCandlessboy]
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The voltage regulator should also have a raised bump to the right of the plug. Cab't tell from the pictures if it does, or not.

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#2393421 - 10/26/17 02:33 PM Re: Who should I consult on my Hemi Challenger? [Re: BigMoneyLewis]
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Originally Posted By BigMoneyLewis
It looks good to me from what I can see. You should contact the person who restored the car and find out as much as you can about the previous condition , history , etc. Crawl under and confirm the engine/trans match,
make sure all your date codes and casting dates are within reason, and confirm the rad support / cowl number (all of which you should have done before purchase) Other than that, I would not worry about it . Store it in a climate controlled environment , and enjoy owning it .

Greg


My goodness.. It would drive me nuts knowing the lock washer on the alternator bolt was incorrect........ LOL

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#2393436 - 10/26/17 02:53 PM Re: Who should I consult on my Hemi Challenger? [Re: DAYCLONA]
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Originally Posted By DAYCLONA
Along with the previously mentioned items, the underhood cowl needs blackout, remove that tag on the battery, that tag was never supplied nor correct, voltage regulator "should" be white lettered IMHO, that plastic zip tie on the heater hoses has to go, there's an aluminum strap tie for that...
Checkvalve on booster should be painted black as well (the entire booster/master assy was delivered to the line as a black painted assy), valve cover breather hose missing clips...remove the grommet from the headlight floor dimmer switch, factory just cut a slice for the dimmer, no grommet ever...You'll need correct HEMI battery cables/terminal ends, that's a difficult find though...the ralley dash woodgrain appears to be of 71 (Kasmir walnut) vintage, IMHO I'd change it out for the lighter American Walnut grain used on 70- to early/mid 71 E bodies. the darker reddish Kasmir grain was used mid 71- to 74 production...
IMHO the emission tag should be further back on the slanted portion of the sidewall, and it appears you need to change out one of the fender tag screws, as well as the aircleaner/filter element if correctness is your goal...

Nice car though! just a few small items that are easily rectified


Agree with all above but also Radiator cap should have the large rivet and the coil should have Green lettering.

Love the car so these things are just weekend choirs.
Ron

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#2393991 - 10/27/17 07:28 PM Re: Who should I consult on my Hemi Challenger? [Re: BigMoneyLewis]
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Originally Posted By BigMoneyLewis
It looks good to me from what I can see. You should contact the person who restored the car and find out as much as you can about the previous condition , history , etc. Crawl under and confirm the engine/trans match,
make sure all your date codes and casting dates are within reason, and confirm the rad support / cowl number (all of which you should have done before purchase) Other than that, I would not worry about it . Store it in a climate controlled environment , and enjoy owning it .

Greg


I was going to let this go, but I just can't. Telling me what I should or shouldn't have done before purchasing, is relative. I'm a car guy at heart. I'm not someone that buys a car and stares at it. My family drives all of my cars. Today my father is driving my 58 Desoto Adventurer convertible, there are 8 left in the world. I ran errands in my 300G convertible, had the interior stacked with boxes from running around. On my wheelhouse of cars, forward looks, I'm very careful, but occasionally you just want a car. I fell in love with this Hemi car. I didn't care if it wasn't perfect, didn't have everything matching. I had a price I was willing to pay, which was actually my final bid. I would not have bid again had someone bid against me.

If I bought the car and everything was wrong I would have been ok with that. It's a cool car, that was originally a hemi car, that's good enough to me. Now that I have it, over the next few years, we'll do things to fix the details. Sometimes owning a car should be about owning a cool car, not just investment.

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#2394031 - 10/27/17 08:37 PM Re: Who should I consult on my Hemi Challenger? [Re: McCandlessboy]
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Well said, and it's a damn nice car . You should be VERY proud to own it, as I know I sure would be. My point was, it is a damn nice car as it, just enjoy it.

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#2394052 - 10/27/17 09:01 PM Re: Who should I consult on my Hemi Challenger? [Re: McCandlessboy]
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But, you asked, and everybody tried to help.


Edited by 71birdJ68 (10/27/17 09:01 PM)

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#2394081 - 10/27/17 09:55 PM Re: Who should I consult on my Hemi Challenger? [Re: JRepucci]
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Originally Posted By JRepucci
Those are not 2944450 wheels, and it has the wrong master cylinder... should have a 2229191.

5 very expensive parts... $4000-$6000 worth



Just doing some looking, finding those wheels doesn't look like a fun task.

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#2394082 - 10/27/17 09:57 PM Re: Who should I consult on my Hemi Challenger? [Re: 71birdJ68]
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Originally Posted By 71birdJ68
But, you asked, and everybody tried to help.


Oh agreed! I've already started making a list and will begin getting the pieces mentioned. My point above was that I would have been ok if the car was far off. Since it's not terribly far off, I'll start collecting the items needed to slowly get these details right. Will everything get done, not sure, but I'll at least start gathering the parts.

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#2394087 - 10/27/17 10:09 PM Re: Who should I consult on my Hemi Challenger? [Re: McCandlessboy]
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Yah, the closer you get, the harder it is. The more you try, and the closer you get, the less you want to drive it, so I have decided to drive mine and let it be what it is. I hope to have it at the Marion show next spring.

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#2394092 - 10/27/17 10:21 PM Re: Who should I consult on my Hemi Challenger? [Re: McCandlessboy]
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I don't mind driving the rare stuff. I have multiple cars that less than 10 exist, all of them see road time. They all have insurance on them, which I hopefully never have to use. Some of these are AACA national cars. Don't get me wrong, I'm not going to go drive in a tornado, but if it's not raining, we're in an old car. The only time we trailer something, is an event like Carlisle. I took 8 cars to that event, we trailed 5 cars up. Next year I'll bring around 10.

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#2394946 - 10/29/17 03:51 PM Re: Who should I consult on my Hemi Challenger? [Re: McCandlessboy]
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Just one more word of wisdom. There are several well documented faults with the car. Some will even be expensive to cure. But I see a car that can be enjoyed, comes equipped with a rarity that will still will bring pride to the owner. Who knows, it five years you might uncover the parts to make it perfect.
Just my opinion.
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#2395332 - 10/30/17 11:28 AM Re: Who should I consult on my Hemi Challenger? [Re: McCandlessboy]
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Originally Posted By McCandlessboy
The only time we trailer something, is an event like Carlisle. I took 8 cars to that event, we trailed 5 cars up. Next year I'll bring around 10.


shruggy I thought you said you weren't a car show guy when I suggested a Carlisle trip above?
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#2395383 - 10/30/17 12:21 PM Re: Who should I consult on my Hemi Challenger? [Re: jeff968]
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Originally Posted By jeff968
Originally Posted By McCandlessboy
The only time we trailer something, is an event like Carlisle. I took 8 cars to that event, we trailed 5 cars up. Next year I'll bring around 10.


shruggy I thought you said you weren't a car show guy when I suggested a Carlisle trip above?



There's a difference between attending and participating in a show for fun, rather than enter into a judged event, which was what you recommended, I asssume the OP's vehicles were most likely "Invitational Display" participants

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#2395405 - 10/30/17 01:08 PM Re: Who should I consult on my Hemi Challenger? [Re: DAYCLONA]
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Originally Posted By DAYCLONA
Originally Posted By jeff968
Originally Posted By McCandlessboy
The only time we trailer something, is an event like Carlisle. I took 8 cars to that event, we trailed 5 cars up. Next year I'll bring around 10.


shruggy I thought you said you weren't a car show guy when I suggested a Carlisle trip above?



There's a difference between attending and participating in a show for fun, rather than enter into a judged event, which was what you recommended, I asssume the OP's vehicles were most likely "Invitational Display" participants


If you say so. I just read he wasn't a car show guy. Bringing 10 cars to Carlisle. Wow!
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#2395619 - 10/30/17 06:11 PM Re: Who should I consult on my Hemi Challenger? [Re: McCandlessboy]
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I don't enter judged events. Just not my thing. I absolutely will attend a dozen or more Mopar events and at least 8-10 general events a year. I have all the respect in the world for those that do the judged events.

On another note, might have found 4 wheels that would fit my build. Hope to gets something done soon.

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#2395628 - 10/30/17 06:25 PM Re: Who should I consult on my Hemi Challenger? [Re: McCandlessboy]
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This was my setup at Carlisle this year. I setup on the manufactures Midway and pull out Saturday night. Next year plan on having a big tent 30 x 100 and will display 8 convertibles and 2 other cars. Still working out details, meeting with Carlisle shows this weekend at Sema.





AACA charity event a few weeks ago. I left right as judging started haha


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#2395847 - 10/31/17 12:14 AM Re: Who should I consult on my Hemi Challenger? [Re: McCandlessboy]
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I read the Mecum description of the car, and I would just want to take a good look at the transmission stamp as it probably won't be matching numbers to your car. I'd also take a good look at the number stamped on the engine and make sure it looks legit. I know it doesn't probably matter to you as your enjoyment is driving the car - but still, a guy wants to know what he bought.

Enjoy the car - if you're happy with it that is all that matters. And leaving when the judging starts, priceless.......................

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#2396134 - 10/31/17 02:17 PM Re: Who should I consult on my Hemi Challenger? [Re: McCandlessboy]
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Originally Posted By McCandlessboy
This was my setup at Carlisle this year. I setup on the manufactures Midway and pull out Saturday night. Next year plan on having a big tent 30 x 100 and will display 8 convertibles and 2 other cars. Still working out details, meeting with Carlisle shows this weekend at Sema.





AACA charity event a few weeks ago. I left right as judging started haha



Impressive, VERY impressive.
I would walk right past a Hemi Challenger to ck these out .

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#2396217 - 10/31/17 04:33 PM Re: Who should I consult on my Hemi Challenger? [Re: gtx6970]
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Me too! I wouldn't even notice the Hemi Challenger, and I'm an E-body fanatic.

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#2396237 - 10/31/17 05:02 PM Re: Who should I consult on my Hemi Challenger? [Re: 318 Stroker]
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That Hemi Challenger is a gorgeous and very desirable car. I am sure everyone here would love to own it! You have a fantastic collection!

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#2396262 - 10/31/17 05:53 PM Re: Who should I consult on my Hemi Challenger? [Re: 750-h2]
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Originally Posted By 750-h2
That Hemi Challenger is a gorgeous and very desirable car. I am sure everyone here would love to own it! You have a fantastic collection!


Oh I wouldnt turn it down.
But if it came down to it versus either a 61 Chrysler 300 or maybe even a 58-59 300 conv. Its no contest for me. the 300 wins every time.

A buddy of mine has a 1958 300 conv ( major MAJOR project) he has been trying to sell me. I just cant wrap my head around that kind of project at this stage in my life . Had he offered it to me 20 years ago, I probably would have bought it.

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#2396316 - 10/31/17 08:02 PM Re: Who should I consult on my Hemi Challenger? [Re: McCandlessboy]
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If you are looking to improve the OEM appearance this is a good place to start if you have thick skin. There are others such as Performance Car Restoration in Canada, Frank Badalson, Mike Mansini, and lot of other choices that do OEM GOLD restorations. I like the car the way it is, Improve it over time with correct numbers and date coding and stamps and stuff like that but do use it like it was built for.
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#2398348 - 11/04/17 09:55 AM Re: Who should I consult on my Hemi Challenger? [Re: McCandlessboy]
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Good news on 1 of the parts. I have 4 dated coded wheels coming my way, 10 days before my build! Very excited. Next, start hunting the master cylinder.

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#2398365 - 11/04/17 10:48 AM Re: Who should I consult on my Hemi Challenger? [Re: McCandlessboy]
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youve got some beautiful forward look cars!!!

love those letter 300s!

ever hear of a hemi stick convertible 300?
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#2398797 - 11/05/17 10:27 AM Re: Who should I consult on my Hemi Challenger? [Re: McCandlessboy]
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Yes, they made a few letter car convertibles with manual transmissions. Rare for sure. The most desirable likely being the 300F convertible that sits in a collection in the north east.

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#2398880 - 11/05/17 12:31 PM Re: Who should I consult on my Hemi Challenger? [Re: McCandlessboy]
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Wow, what a collection. The era that cemented my attraction (OK, obsession) for MoPars was '57-'60 Letter cars; my cousin had one. Dad bought a '57 Plymouth new, but I still recall being absolutely stunned by that 300.

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#2399306 - 11/06/17 10:05 AM Re: Who should I consult on my Hemi Challenger? [Re: McCandlessboy]
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Originally Posted By McCandlessboy
Yes, they made a few letter car convertibles with manual transmissions. Rare for sure. The most desirable likely being the 300F convertible that sits in a collection in the north east.


With a Hemi?
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#2399337 - 11/06/17 10:52 AM Re: Who should I consult on my Hemi Challenger? [Re: McCandlessboy]
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The only possible letter car hemi powered convertibles are 1957-1958. A 3 speed column shifted manual trans with a non synchro first gear was not what 300 buyers wanted, they were tired of driving farm tractors. The 3 speed torqueflite automatic was new and a pleasure to drive.

There was no full synchro floor shifted four speed in the 1950's that would hold up to 375 horsepower. When Chrysler put the 4 speed in the 1960 300 they had to go to France to procure one.

The customers that wanted a manual were the racers, but not in a convertible body.
I have seen two 3 speed hardtop 1958 300's. They were used as race cars when new.

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#2399450 - 11/06/17 02:15 PM Re: Who should I consult on my Hemi Challenger? [Re: McCandlessboy]
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it was sort of a baited question ,

since 1972 my dad has owned a 1957 300C convertible 392 Hemi, with a 3-speed on the column

i believe there were only 17 cars built with the 3-speed manual transmission, which cam with a higher horsepower engine and special camshaft.

there is a vin list of those 17 cars because there was a recall for the camshaft because Chrysler was concerned with premature failure of the camshaft due to the heavy duty valve springs

my dads car is the only convertible on the list

its pretty much a survivor with 1 repaint
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#2399451 - 11/06/17 02:17 PM Re: Who should I consult on my Hemi Challenger? [Re: TONY_DAGOSTINO]
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#2399508 - 11/06/17 03:46 PM Re: Who should I consult on my Hemi Challenger? [Re: McCandlessboy]
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#2399859 - 11/07/17 07:37 AM Re: Who should I consult on my Hemi Challenger? [Re: McCandlessboy]
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Yes, I was well aware of that car. The 300F is still the most valuable by far: https://www.rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/M...vertible/192397

Car is now one of the nicest cars in the country, as is most stuff in the persons collection that owns it. The 300G hardtop sticks trade around 230-250.

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#2399995 - 11/07/17 01:02 PM Re: Who should I consult on my Hemi Challenger? [Re: McCandlessboy]
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A comment on the price of a G stick quoted above. One sold for that high amount a few years ago at a large auction It was a nice looking car in pictures, .

The auction write up was false and misleading. It included some of the facts and features of a 1960 300 F special floor shifted 4 speed vehicles that are rare and expensive. The write up blended this information together to the farm tractor 3 speed 1961 300 G that had standard G engines. Pretty smart for,the buyer to,do,that because the auction house doesn't know any better, and most buyers done either.

The 1960 300 F special has a different engine with different intake manifolds and more horsepower, very few were made. (less an 20?). The 1961 300 G with a 3 speed stick is the exact same car as an automatic with no other changes to the car or engine. Plenty of them were made they are seen for sale and they don't get sold quickly or have higher price tags.

You can't use one auction result to change the value of all cars. The value guides made zero changes to the values of the 1961 300 G after that auction.

The club members were conversing about the auction results on the message board and nobody thought that a 3 speed column shift car was any more valuable or in increased demand. Just the auction result where 2 bidders went crazy and paid too much.

It boils down to which one would you rather drive? And how much more would you pay, or how much less would you pay for a 3 speed manual with no synchro first gear?

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#2400020 - 11/07/17 01:55 PM Re: Who should I consult on my Hemi Challenger? [Re: NANKET]
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What carburetors were on that 300F?

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#2400039 - 11/07/17 02:21 PM Re: Who should I consult on my Hemi Challenger? [Re: NANKET]
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Originally Posted By NANKET
A comment on the price of a G stick quoted above. One sold for that high amount a few years ago at a large auction It was a nice looking car in pictures, .

The auction write up was false and misleading. It included some of the facts and features of a 1960 300 F special floor shifted 4 speed vehicles that are rare and expensive. The write up blended this information together to the farm tractor 3 speed 1961 300 G that had standard G engines. Pretty smart for,the buyer to,do,that because the auction house doesn't know any better, and most buyers done either.

The 1960 300 F special has a different engine with different intake manifolds and more horsepower, very few were made. (less an 20?). The 1961 300 G with a 3 speed stick is the exact same car as an automatic with no other changes to the car or engine. Plenty of them were made they are seen for sale and they don't get sold quickly or have higher price tags.

You can't use one auction result to change the value of all cars. The value guides made zero changes to the values of the 1961 300 G after that auction.

The club members were conversing about the auction results on the message board and nobody thought that a 3 speed column shift car was any more valuable or in increased demand. Just the auction result where 2 bidders went crazy and paid too much.

It boils down to which one would you rather drive? And how much more would you pay, or how much less would you pay for a 3 speed manual with no synchro first gear?


I'm heavily involved in the private market and I'm unaware of a stick G selling for anywhere near the same price as an auto. I have 9 letter cars, 5 hard tops and 4 convertibles. I'm not saying it's not possible, I just haven't seen it. The owner of the F wants 4 million according to a phone conversation I had with him. He also has the 58 desoto adventurer fuel injected convertible. He wants 2 million for that. I really hope he gets those prices, so it elevates my adventurer convertibles and letter cars lol.

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#2400263 - 11/07/17 09:30 PM Re: Who should I consult on my Hemi Challenger? [Re: McCandlessboy]
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Doesn't matter what you own. You have no idea what I own because I don't list my cars on here. Doesn't matter what I own either. We disagree. It's OK.

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#2400357 - 11/08/17 06:58 AM Re: Who should I consult on my Hemi Challenger? [Re: NANKET]
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Originally Posted By NANKET
Doesn't matter what you own. You have no idea what I own because I don't list my cars on here. Doesn't matter what I own either. We disagree. It's OK.


You said you can't use 1 car to set a market, which I fully agree. I also said I'm unaware of any stick G selling near an auto, but that it could be possible. It doesn't matter what I own, but it is relative to market experience. With no public offerings that I'm aware of showing sticks and auto's selling near the same price, combined with personal private market experience, that's how I form an opinion.

Where has a stick G car traded hands anywhere near an auto? You say they're the same, where?

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#2400537 - 11/08/17 12:35 PM Re: Who should I consult on my Hemi Challenger? [Re: McCandlessboy]
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Im not going argue with you, you like it too much! As noted in the hemi Dart thread.

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#2400577 - 11/08/17 01:53 PM Re: Who should I consult on my Hemi Challenger? [Re: McCandlessboy]
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I know your cars are amazing and I know you're very active in the 300 club. All I'm asking, for my own knowledge, is where has a stick car sold for similar price to an auto. That's what you claimed.

If everyone agreed in the car market, it would be awful. Discussion is what allows us to all become more knowledgeable. If you consider asking for proof of your statement, sticks sell for same as auto's, as arguing then you just have a unique definition. Almost everyone in the dart thread is aligned. The best, most original cars are bringing the big bucks. The majority are not that. 1 car has sold for 300, 5 cars were at 150. A lot of good info has come from that thread.

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#2408102 - 11/23/17 09:51 PM Re: Who should I consult on my Hemi Challenger? [Re: McCandlessboy]
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Update. Have a 4 correct wheels now that were dated 2 weeks prior to my build. Thanks to the member that gave me the lead on that. I still need to order the master cylinder, any recommendations on who?

We've been traveling a lot of late and haven't gotten a lot done. Car was missing the heat shield for the start. Exhaust was a mess, got that fixed. Fuel pickup was half destroyed. Got that replaced, tank replaced, inside coated, etc. Trying to get to all of this functional stuff first.

Once again, thank you to everyone that contacted me!

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#2408178 - Yesterday at 08:33 AM Re: Who should I consult on my Hemi Challenger? [Re: McCandlessboy]
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The person that said they had a starter heat shield just emailed me to tell me they don't. Ugh

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#2408192 - Yesterday at 09:12 AM Re: Who should I consult on my Hemi Challenger? [Re: McCandlessboy]
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Starter Shields (originals) have become extremely difficult to find/buy recently, just an ultra rare part due to so many being tossed back in the day. The last one I saw sell was 2 years ago and it was big money. Bryan Blake is working on a very accurate reproduction, hopefully they will be done soon and will be more accurate than current reproductions.

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#2408218 - Yesterday at 10:30 AM Re: Who should I consult on my Hemi Challenger? [Re: McCandlessboy]
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Originally Posted By McCandlessboy
Update. Have a 4 correct wheels now that were dated 2 weeks prior to my build. Thanks to the member that gave me the lead on that. I still need to order the master cylinder, any recommendations on who?

Once again, thank you to everyone that contacted me!

Bad timing, I had an NOS hemi master cylinder I was trying to sell for a while with no interest, but it finally got sold last summer to a guy from out west with a hemi cuda where his got swapped out (along with some other rare parts) while the car was in the possession of a sleazy broker. He was putting the car back to how it was and scooped my part up.
They are rare and worth around a grand unless you find one with a '69 or '70 date code, where a buyer doing a concours resto will pay a big premium.
That being said, they turn up from time to time on eBay, and there doesn't seem to be a huge market for them. 70-71 hemi owners already have the correct one, or in many cases just don't seem to care the one they have on their car is wrong I've found.
Ramman has had them for sale and may still now, I'm a little hesitant to recommend him as he's a little flaky. Great Lakes NOS has had one for sale and may still have it, but their price is outrageous, like $2500!
Otherwise, just watch eBay, one or two turn up per year, you'll find one sooner or later!

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