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#2398797 - 11/05/17 10:27 AM Re: Who should I consult on my Hemi Challenger? [Re: McCandlessboy]
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Yes, they made a few letter car convertibles with manual transmissions. Rare for sure. The most desirable likely being the 300F convertible that sits in a collection in the north east.

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#2398880 - 11/05/17 12:31 PM Re: Who should I consult on my Hemi Challenger? [Re: McCandlessboy]
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Wow, what a collection. The era that cemented my attraction (OK, obsession) for MoPars was '57-'60 Letter cars; my cousin had one. Dad bought a '57 Plymouth new, but I still recall being absolutely stunned by that 300.

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#2399306 - 11/06/17 10:05 AM Re: Who should I consult on my Hemi Challenger? [Re: McCandlessboy]
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Originally Posted By McCandlessboy
Yes, they made a few letter car convertibles with manual transmissions. Rare for sure. The most desirable likely being the 300F convertible that sits in a collection in the north east.


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#2399337 - 11/06/17 10:52 AM Re: Who should I consult on my Hemi Challenger? [Re: McCandlessboy]
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The only possible letter car hemi powered convertibles are 1957-1958. A 3 speed column shifted manual trans with a non synchro first gear was not what 300 buyers wanted, they were tired of driving farm tractors. The 3 speed torqueflite automatic was new and a pleasure to drive.

There was no full synchro floor shifted four speed in the 1950's that would hold up to 375 horsepower. When Chrysler put the 4 speed in the 1960 300 they had to go to France to procure one.

The customers that wanted a manual were the racers, but not in a convertible body.
I have seen two 3 speed hardtop 1958 300's. They were used as race cars when new.

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#2399450 - 11/06/17 02:15 PM Re: Who should I consult on my Hemi Challenger? [Re: McCandlessboy]
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it was sort of a baited question ,

since 1972 my dad has owned a 1957 300C convertible 392 Hemi, with a 3-speed on the column

i believe there were only 17 cars built with the 3-speed manual transmission, which cam with a higher horsepower engine and special camshaft.

there is a vin list of those 17 cars because there was a recall for the camshaft because Chrysler was concerned with premature failure of the camshaft due to the heavy duty valve springs

my dads car is the only convertible on the list

its pretty much a survivor with 1 repaint
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#2399451 - 11/06/17 02:17 PM Re: Who should I consult on my Hemi Challenger? [Re: TONY_DAGOSTINO]
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#2399508 - 11/06/17 03:46 PM Re: Who should I consult on my Hemi Challenger? [Re: McCandlessboy]
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#2399859 - 11/07/17 07:37 AM Re: Who should I consult on my Hemi Challenger? [Re: McCandlessboy]
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Yes, I was well aware of that car. The 300F is still the most valuable by far: https://www.rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/M...vertible/192397

Car is now one of the nicest cars in the country, as is most stuff in the persons collection that owns it. The 300G hardtop sticks trade around 230-250.

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#2399995 - 11/07/17 01:02 PM Re: Who should I consult on my Hemi Challenger? [Re: McCandlessboy]
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A comment on the price of a G stick quoted above. One sold for that high amount a few years ago at a large auction It was a nice looking car in pictures, .

The auction write up was false and misleading. It included some of the facts and features of a 1960 300 F special floor shifted 4 speed vehicles that are rare and expensive. The write up blended this information together to the farm tractor 3 speed 1961 300 G that had standard G engines. Pretty smart for,the buyer to,do,that because the auction house doesn't know any better, and most buyers done either.

The 1960 300 F special has a different engine with different intake manifolds and more horsepower, very few were made. (less an 20?). The 1961 300 G with a 3 speed stick is the exact same car as an automatic with no other changes to the car or engine. Plenty of them were made they are seen for sale and they don't get sold quickly or have higher price tags.

You can't use one auction result to change the value of all cars. The value guides made zero changes to the values of the 1961 300 G after that auction.

The club members were conversing about the auction results on the message board and nobody thought that a 3 speed column shift car was any more valuable or in increased demand. Just the auction result where 2 bidders went crazy and paid too much.

It boils down to which one would you rather drive? And how much more would you pay, or how much less would you pay for a 3 speed manual with no synchro first gear?

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#2400020 - 11/07/17 01:55 PM Re: Who should I consult on my Hemi Challenger? [Re: NANKET]
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What carburetors were on that 300F?

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#2400039 - 11/07/17 02:21 PM Re: Who should I consult on my Hemi Challenger? [Re: NANKET]
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Originally Posted By NANKET
A comment on the price of a G stick quoted above. One sold for that high amount a few years ago at a large auction It was a nice looking car in pictures, .

The auction write up was false and misleading. It included some of the facts and features of a 1960 300 F special floor shifted 4 speed vehicles that are rare and expensive. The write up blended this information together to the farm tractor 3 speed 1961 300 G that had standard G engines. Pretty smart for,the buyer to,do,that because the auction house doesn't know any better, and most buyers done either.

The 1960 300 F special has a different engine with different intake manifolds and more horsepower, very few were made. (less an 20?). The 1961 300 G with a 3 speed stick is the exact same car as an automatic with no other changes to the car or engine. Plenty of them were made they are seen for sale and they don't get sold quickly or have higher price tags.

You can't use one auction result to change the value of all cars. The value guides made zero changes to the values of the 1961 300 G after that auction.

The club members were conversing about the auction results on the message board and nobody thought that a 3 speed column shift car was any more valuable or in increased demand. Just the auction result where 2 bidders went crazy and paid too much.

It boils down to which one would you rather drive? And how much more would you pay, or how much less would you pay for a 3 speed manual with no synchro first gear?


I'm heavily involved in the private market and I'm unaware of a stick G selling for anywhere near the same price as an auto. I have 9 letter cars, 5 hard tops and 4 convertibles. I'm not saying it's not possible, I just haven't seen it. The owner of the F wants 4 million according to a phone conversation I had with him. He also has the 58 desoto adventurer fuel injected convertible. He wants 2 million for that. I really hope he gets those prices, so it elevates my adventurer convertibles and letter cars lol.

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#2400263 - 11/07/17 09:30 PM Re: Who should I consult on my Hemi Challenger? [Re: McCandlessboy]
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Doesn't matter what you own. You have no idea what I own because I don't list my cars on here. Doesn't matter what I own either. We disagree. It's OK.

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#2400357 - 11/08/17 06:58 AM Re: Who should I consult on my Hemi Challenger? [Re: NANKET]
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Originally Posted By NANKET
Doesn't matter what you own. You have no idea what I own because I don't list my cars on here. Doesn't matter what I own either. We disagree. It's OK.


You said you can't use 1 car to set a market, which I fully agree. I also said I'm unaware of any stick G selling near an auto, but that it could be possible. It doesn't matter what I own, but it is relative to market experience. With no public offerings that I'm aware of showing sticks and auto's selling near the same price, combined with personal private market experience, that's how I form an opinion.

Where has a stick G car traded hands anywhere near an auto? You say they're the same, where?

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#2400537 - 11/08/17 12:35 PM Re: Who should I consult on my Hemi Challenger? [Re: McCandlessboy]
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Im not going argue with you, you like it too much! As noted in the hemi Dart thread.

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#2400577 - 11/08/17 01:53 PM Re: Who should I consult on my Hemi Challenger? [Re: McCandlessboy]
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I know your cars are amazing and I know you're very active in the 300 club. All I'm asking, for my own knowledge, is where has a stick car sold for similar price to an auto. That's what you claimed.

If everyone agreed in the car market, it would be awful. Discussion is what allows us to all become more knowledgeable. If you consider asking for proof of your statement, sticks sell for same as auto's, as arguing then you just have a unique definition. Almost everyone in the dart thread is aligned. The best, most original cars are bringing the big bucks. The majority are not that. 1 car has sold for 300, 5 cars were at 150. A lot of good info has come from that thread.

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