Re: Disc brake conversion questions?
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Discs vs drums.
Where discs shine is in fade and water resistance. Today's cars tend to run seriously undersized rotors with aggressive pads, which is why rotors don't last anymore.
Dry, first time stop, drums can actually out perform discs due to their self energizing capabilities.
Since this is a "resto" you aren't still running skinny bias plies are you? Any brake system is limited by traction. If the brakes are locking up adding more brake will do nothing. If the brakes do not lock up then you have a brake problem.
All that said, I prefer discs and you have more options in regards to pad aggressiveness. I tend to run the factory based 11.75" setup for several reasons. It's cheap, it is well engineered, parts availability is great.
So, are you current brakes capable of locking up the tires?
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Re: Disc brake conversion questions?
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Mickey Thompson P225/70R15 on the front, P295/55R15 on the rear, will lock up the brakes, just takes alot of pedal pressure and seems like in emergency braking situations it really gets your attention...if you know what I mean
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Re: Disc brake conversion questions?
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Sounds more like a M/C issue than anything else. The manual drum M/C should be a 1" bore setup. What is your bore?
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Re: Disc brake conversion questions?
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What Supercuda said, see what the bore size is (post it) & I'm assuming the pedal ratio is correct (sounds like all that was unchanged). In addition you might need more aggressive shoes & a bed in procedure (Google it) & does your brake shop arc in shoes?
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Re: Disc brake conversion questions?
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What Supercuda said, see what the bore size is (post it) & I'm assuming the pedal ratio is correct (sounds like all that was unchanged). In addition you might need more aggressive shoes & a bed in procedure (Google it) & does your brake shop arc in shoes? Bore size is 1", good point on the shoe bedding process, the brakes were finished long before the car was driveable and I know now that I neglected to properly break them in...may be time to revisit that...
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Re: Disc brake conversion questions?
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actually I would think you want a smaller bore size if your complaint is amount of force needed to lock it up. there will be more travel, but should be less effort. Power disc brake version is 1.125", manual drum version is 1", so yeah it's smaller. Got to eliminate all the variables to narrow it down.
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Re: Disc brake conversion questions?
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Andrew is right, a smaller bore might be the solution & very few people actually do take the trouble to do a bed in, I just figured it was worth mentioning as it is helpfull. With the MC potential dealt with just me I would get some agressive specialty shoes, they wear out the drums faster but you'll be alive to enjoy it. (sounds like you are "alive" now with your near misses!)
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Re: Disc brake conversion questions?
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I was thinking I was just spoiled from driving power disc equipped vehicles, maybe I'll try some new shoes and break them in properly this time before I jump to disc brakes. Or maybe I just need to slow my arsh down...
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Re: Disc brake conversion questions?
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Or maybe I just need to slow my arsh down... Don't do that (not in this lifetime).
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Re: Disc brake conversion questions?
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You have 15 inch rims so the 11.75 factory setup should fit on there. Fairly easy to find the parts these days for the conversion. One phone call to Doctor Diff should get you knuckles and adapters and then you just need to swing by the auto parts store for loaded calipers, rotors and hoses. I'll keep that in mind, thanks, on another note, if I converted to disc is there a big stopping difference between power and manual, would prefer not to clutter up the engine compartment with a brake booster if I can get away with it.
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Re: Disc brake conversion questions?
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power mainly reduces the pedal input needed to generate a certain amt of brakeing output force so you're good there.
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Re: Disc brake conversion questions?
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You have 15 inch rims so the 11.75 factory setup should fit on there. Fairly easy to find the parts these days for the conversion. One phone call to Doctor Diff should get you knuckles and adapters and then you just need to swing by the auto parts store for loaded calipers, rotors and hoses. I'll keep that in mind, thanks, on another note, if I converted to disc is there a big stopping difference between power and manual, would prefer not to clutter up the engine compartment with a brake booster if I can get away with it. Manual brakes work fine with the 11.75 rotors. You'll need the right master cylinder size and you'll want to use a high quality brake pad but it will work if you pay attention and do it correctly.
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Re: Disc brake conversion questions?
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Or maybe I just need to slow my arsh down... Don't do that (not in this lifetime). Yeah, forgot how much fun this thing was to drive, I tend to lean on it from time to time
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Re: Disc brake conversion questions?
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You have 15 inch rims so the 11.75 factory setup should fit on there. Fairly easy to find the parts these days for the conversion. One phone call to Doctor Diff should get you knuckles and adapters and then you just need to swing by the auto parts store for loaded calipers, rotors and hoses. I'll keep that in mind, thanks, on another note, if I converted to disc is there a big stopping difference between power and manual, would prefer not to clutter up the engine compartment with a brake booster if I can get away with it. Manual brakes work fine with the 11.75 rotors. You'll need the right master cylinder size and you'll want to use a high quality brake pad but it will work if you pay attention and do it correctly. Will do, thanks again
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