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Re: 440 source stroker kit/balancing quality [Re: Stanton] #1365565
01/09/13 05:44 PM
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have it done locally so he knows that it is correct.




And again I'll ask ... what ensures the local guy is correct ?? If its wrong, are you going to bad mouth him on here - where nobody has heard of him or gives a damn? And would he care? If your motor blows will he repair or replace it or blame it on you for any number of reasons?

If you bought an assembly from Ray Barton, Muscle Motors, or any other Mopar specialist, would you decline balancing in order to have it done locally by some yokel that builds 20 chevys or fords to every Mopar that comes through the door ?!?!? 440Source ONLY do big block Mopars and they do them in-house. To me, that's worth something. Sorry, "local" is no guaranty of quality !!




First off I would ASSuME that the OP is using a shop he TRUSTS , plus the shop is local and if there is an issue you can take it back to the local shop instead of shipping it back across the country , in your case across a border , and from posts I have seen in the past ... ON YOUR DIME ...

Also balancing a Chevy rotating is no different than balancing any other rotating assembly, so that was a pretty stupid statement on your part.


Re: 440 source stroker kit/balancing quality [Re: Stanton] #1365566
01/09/13 05:48 PM
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have it done locally so he knows that it is correct.




And again I'll ask ... what ensures the local guy is correct ?? ...

If you bought an assembly from Ray Barton, Muscle Motors, or any other Mopar specialist, would you decline balancing in order to have it done locally by some yokel that builds 20 chevys or fords to every Mopar that comes through the door ?!?!?

440Source ONLY do big block Mopars and they do them in-house. To me, that's worth something. Sorry, "local" is no guaranty of quality !!




As mentioned above, we've balanced well over 2000 BIG BLOCK MOPAR cranks. We do them nearly every single day, all day long, in house.

The techs know what size bits to use, how deep to drill with them, which counterweights to drill on, and where on the counterweights the holes will need to be placed, based on which kit they are balancing and which components are included in that kit. They know this before the crank even gets put onto the machine. You would too after you had a few hundred balance jobs under your belt, never mind a couple thousand, all for the same engine type.

Last year we actually had to replace the brushes on the drill motor of the balancer, as they had worn down to almost nothing. Our Sunnen rep said he had never seen this before, even on his high volume Chevy production shops, probably because they aren't drilling through induction hardened and nitrated 4340 steel all day long, for many years.

No local shop is going to have a fraction of this amount of experience specifically with big block Mopar cranks. Not saying a competent local shop can't do a good job if they take their time and do it right, have good equipment and keep it calibrated (as we do weekly.) But at the very least, it's going to take them three times as long as us, and you're going to be paying for that time.

Re: 440 source stroker kit/balancing quality [Re: 440sourcedotcom] #1365567
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I know I beat on my 440source 500 cubic inch in my Daytona for 3 years (275+) passes running a best 8.60's@151mph. When I took it apart the block was cracked but never leaked and was still running 8.60's. The assembly check out GREAT and will be used by another Moparts member soon. I have a brand new 512 440source assembly that I bought years ago and may replace my 408 smallblock that's in my Duster soon. We are also on our 3rd race season with a starter that we bought from them. I also purchased 2 sets of their heads with zero problems and I bought a very nice set of valve covers from them that are still being used.


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Re: 440 source stroker kit/balancing quality [Re: pittsburghracer] #1365568
01/10/13 12:04 AM
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But at the very least, it's going to take them three times as long as us, and you're going to be paying for that time.




That's fairly presumptuous on your part given Source's short balancing life compared to some machine shops'.

Speaking from my first hand experiences - The kits are good value. However in my opinion they are not ready to install. I have never chosen to return or turn your cranks, but I have had to weigh the risk of running them at the factory max allowable taper and tighter bearing clearance than I wanted and I've paid to have every set of rods redone because they were out of round after cycling and I've watched the machinist remove metal from both the pin and big ends at times to get the weights matched properly. While we're at it, I also had to modify the thermostat housing to bolt to your water pump housing, and modify the welded aluminum valve covers. So good value has always included careful cheking, measuring, and addressing of issues found. The decision to run things as is or improve them is the builders. Some care to actually look, some look but don't worry, some just don't look - all based on individual experience.

Take it or leave it these are all just opinions.


Well, art is art, isn't it? Still, on the other hand, water is water! And east is east and west is west and if you take cranberries and stew them like applesauce they taste much more like prunes than rhubarb does. Now, uh... Now you tell me what you know.
Re: 440 source stroker kit/balancing quality [Re: 440sourcedotcom] #2390901
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Tell him to save his money and just have the local guy balance it and not pay the source for it ????

oh wait , let me guess , you can only buy their kits balanced ... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh2.gif" alt="" />


Nope, our kits have been available both balanced and unbalanced since day one. We charge $150 to balance, which has not increased in over 6 years. This $150 is included in the $1997 price of all our stroker kits. If you want any of them unbalanced, just subtract $150 from the price. ($1997-$150 = $1847 unbalanced)

In August of last year, we balanced our 2000th big block Mopar crank. Here is a link to our balancing shop: http://440source.com/balancing.htm


Just asking

So on your website today , you have $1999 for rough balance , but your saying that $150 is included ?

Yes I know this thread is four years old , hence the questions and probably adjusted pricing

Then you have $2249 for final balance at another $150 ?

Just curious when I stop at my machine shop next week and I look over the paperwork as your 438 stroker kit showed up at his building a week ago , when he has been holding my block and money for almost six months now and communication has been at best ******** telling me one thing and doing another

Thanx Scott


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Re: 440 source stroker kit/balancing quality [Re: bee1971] #2392888
10/25/17 01:52 PM
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Tell him to save his money and just have the local guy balance it and not pay the source for it ????

oh wait , let me guess , you can only buy their kits balanced ... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh2.gif" alt="" />


Nope, our kits have been available both balanced and unbalanced since day one. We charge $150 to balance, which has not increased in over 6 years. This $150 is included in the $1997 price of all our stroker kits. If you want any of them unbalanced, just subtract $150 from the price. ($1997-$150 = $1847 unbalanced)

In August of last year, we balanced our 2000th big block Mopar crank. Here is a link to our balancing shop: http://440source.com/balancing.htm


Just asking

So on your website today , you have $1999 for rough balance , but your saying that $150 is included ?

Yes I know this thread is four years old , hence the questions and probably adjusted pricing

Then you have $2249 for final balance at another $150 ?

Just curious when I stop at my machine shop next week and I look over the paperwork as your 438 stroker kit showed up at his building a week ago , when he has been holding my block and money for almost six months now and communication has been at best ******** telling me one thing and doing another

Thanx Scott



Just to clear up any confusion, yes the prices have increased in the four years since the last person posted on this topic.

Many years ago the kits used to be $1997 balanced or $1847 unbalanced.

Now they are $2249 balanced or $1999 unbalanced. However, we also have free freight now, so that would have added $80-$100 to the old prices, so the net increase has really only been $50-$150 over the last 4 years. Hope this clears up any confusion.

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