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BES at engine masters getting it done with a bb mopar #2381853
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Find the video and check it out . The shop can build big power out of anything

Re: BES at engine masters getting it done with a bb mopar [Re: mcat4321] #2382026
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I have been watching the Live feeds on FB. What heads are those on BES's 451 BBM? I heard peaks of 670 HP/ 640 tq and they are currently in second place with 2630 pts. Just really curious about his choice of heads. They seemed really disappointed in the interview at the end. J.Rob


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Re: BES at engine masters getting it done with a bb mopar [Re: RAMM] #2382104
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I've not been able to find it


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Yeah Kasses engine was very interesting


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Re: BES at engine masters getting it done with a bb mopar [Re: Bad340fish] #2382322
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Originally Posted By Bad340fish
Yeah Kasses engine was very interesting


ya looks like a real simple build....LOL

very curious to learn more about the mopar build can't see it being nowhere as exotic as the ford.

Re: BES at engine masters getting it done with a bb mopar [Re: mcat4321] #2382357
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Wow, that MEL is impressive! Totally outside the spirit of the rules but I guess he didn’t break any. Interesting head gaskets lol

Re: BES at engine masters getting it done with a bb mopar [Re: mcat4321] #2382370
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Kasses engine is bogus and not even close to being within the rules. Should have been thrown out.


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Re: BES at engine masters getting it done with a bb mopar [Re: RAMM] #2382384
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Originally Posted By RAMM
I have been watching the Live feeds on FB. What heads are those on BES's 451 BBM? I heard peaks of 670 HP/ 640 tq and they are currently in second place with 2630 pts. Just really curious about his choice of heads. They seemed really disappointed in the interview at the end. J.Rob


640 is a big tq number for a 451, and I realize it's all about making big numbers within the specified rpm band....... But to only end up with 670hp when you had 640tq in the lower revs....... It must have fallen off pretty quickly.


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Re: BES at engine masters getting it done with a bb mopar [Re: fast68plymouth] #2382452
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Originally Posted By fast68plymouth
Originally Posted By RAMM
I have been watching the Live feeds on FB. What heads are those on BES's 451 BBM? I heard peaks of 670 HP/ 640 tq and they are currently in second place with 2630 pts. Just really curious about his choice of heads. They seemed really disappointed in the interview at the end. J.Rob


640 is a big tq number for a 451, and I realize it's all about making big numbers within the specified rpm band....... But to only end up with 670hp when you had 640tq in the lower revs....... It must have fallen off pretty quickly.
the peak numbers mean nothing,that's where most builders go wrong at EMC..im sure you understand the scoring procedure. If peak go was the focus,I'm sure it would be , and did you see the torque curve

Re: BES at engine masters getting it done with a bb mopar [Re: mcat4321] #2382462
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If peak go was the focus,I'm sure it would be , and did you see the torque curve


Actually, I couldn't find any info on it at all.

My point in the previous post was, the tq curve must be falling off pretty quick at some point in the run to only end up with 670hp when there were tq numbers in the 640 area within the tested range.

In other words, I'd think those 640tq numbers must have happened pretty early on in the pull.

If you have a link to where the results of the pulls are posted, I'd like seeing them.


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Re: BES at engine masters getting it done with a bb mopar [Re: fast68plymouth] #2382550
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Re: BES at engine masters getting it done with a bb mopar [Re: mcat4321] #2382555
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I looked over the rules for that class.

Those are pretty impressive numbers when you look at the restrictions.


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Re: BES at engine masters getting it done with a bb mopar [Re: mcat4321] #2382557
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On BES website they only offer victor heads for a bbm?

Re: BES at engine masters getting it done with a bb mopar [Re: fast68plymouth] #2382564
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Originally Posted By fast68plymouth
I looked over the rules for that class.

Those are pretty impressive numbers when you look at the restrictions.


When that little 318 i had in the white Duster was at enginemasters, they scored it from 2500-6500 rpm


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Re: BES at engine masters getting it done with a bb mopar [Re: WedgeFED] #2382621
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Not Victors--only allowed stock offset rockers. I'm thinking they are TF's. J.Rob


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Re: BES at engine masters getting it done with a bb mopar [Re: mcat4321] #2382731
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I don't see how that MEL fits the letter of the rule at all no matter how hard I squint and plain as day don't fit the spirit of the rule whatsoever.


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[quote=HotRodDave]I don't see how that MEL fits the letter of the rule at all no matter how hard I squint and plain as day don't fit the spirit of the rule whatsoever. [/quote

Very cool build but I agree 100%.

Re: BES at engine masters getting it done with a bb mopar [Re: mcat4321] #2382857
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Originally Posted By mcat4321
Find the video and check it out . The shop can build big power out of anything

Does BES build your engines?

EDIT: After seeing both BES and Kasse's EMC entries over the years, I've come to the opinion that Bischoff is amazing, but Kaase is the brilliant Mad Scientist who can re-think just about any perceived obstacle in ways that would never occur to others.

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Is there a detailed write up on this engine build or do we have to wait for Hot Rod to publish? I'm bolting together my 451 finally and would love to see the parts & numbers on this one.

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