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#2379198 - 09/30/17 07:49 AM New Arrow Racing crate hemis
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The 392 Hemi engine, with 580HP and 490 ft lbs of torque at 6500 rpm, is $16,995

The 426 Hemi engine, with 615HP and 520 ft lbs of torque at 6500 rpm, is $19,995.


http://www.prweb.com/releases/2017prefix/09hemi_engines/prweb14739494.htm

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#2379377 - 09/30/17 01:14 PM Re: New Arrow Racing crate hemis [Re: Malicious�]
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Thats extremely expensive
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#2379378 - 09/30/17 01:16 PM Re: New Arrow Racing crate hemis [Re: Malicious�]
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I really like that intake
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#2379389 - 09/30/17 01:34 PM Re: New Arrow Racing crate hemis [Re: Malicious�]
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If its really plug and play it is not completly and entirely out of line price wise, the picture shows alternator and everything to get it running to be installed and ready to bolt in and go. I may be wrong about it but you start adding up the cost of everything and their prophit margin is not too far out of line.
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#2379440 - 09/30/17 03:53 PM Re: New Arrow Racing crate hemis [Re: HotRodDave]
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That is CRAZY high for a 600 HP engine. Cheese and rice.
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#2379448 - 09/30/17 04:24 PM Re: New Arrow Racing crate hemis [Re: pittsburghracer]
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I'd list you a ready to run, complete drop in fuel injected 600 hp SB for comparison but I can't find any (and not one built with a wobbly stock block that's going to cap walk itself to death, one built with good parts that can be beat on day in and day out)

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#2379468 - 09/30/17 05:03 PM Re: New Arrow Racing crate hemis [Re: HotRodDave]
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Originally Posted By HotRodDave
If its really plug and play it is not completly and entirely out of line price wise, the picture shows alternator and everything to get it running to be installed and ready to bolt in and go. I may be wrong about it but you start adding up the cost of everything and their prophit margin is not too far out of line.


I didn't think it was that far out of line either. Add up the core cost of a 6.4L, a full rebuild, the nickle and dime stuff and THEN the electronics to get it to run properly in an older vehicle.

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#2379477 - 09/30/17 05:13 PM Re: New Arrow Racing crate hemis [Re: Malicious�]
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#2379492 - 09/30/17 05:43 PM Re: New Arrow Racing crate hemis [Re: pittsburghracer]
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Originally Posted By pittsburghracer
That is CRAZY high for a 600 HP engine. Cheese and rice.


Can you crank out a 600hp 408 ish SB with all new parts by the hundreds if needed?
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#2379493 - 09/30/17 05:45 PM Re: New Arrow Racing crate hemis [Re: HotRodDave]
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Originally Posted By HotRodDave
Originally Posted By pittsburghracer
That is CRAZY high for a 600 HP engine. Cheese and rice.


Can you crank out a 600hp 408 ish SB with all new parts by the hundreds if needed?


and last (not a swipe at pittsburghs engine building skills, just the total lack of blocks)

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#2379511 - 09/30/17 06:27 PM Re: New Arrow Racing crate hemis [Re: Malicious�]
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Arrow's pricing has gone up. I paid a little over $17k for my 426 all-aluminum engine almost 3 years ago.

The base price for my engine was around $15k back then. I upgraded for Made in USA rods and head studs. I had my own EFI system and road racing oil pan. My pistons are Mahle & made in Germany and my crank is a Callies Compstar made in China as they had no other alternatives back then.

I would venture a guess that the 392 & 426 crates have the current upgraded alloy aluminum block as well, but as for "forged internals" the crank and rods are probably all made in China. Probably comes with head bolts also.

My engine runs great though! Bunch of track days on it and no problems whatsoever. 515rwhp & 540rwtq


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#2379523 - 09/30/17 07:17 PM Re: New Arrow Racing crate hemis [Re: HotRodDave]
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Originally Posted By HotRodDave
Originally Posted By pittsburghracer
That is CRAZY high for a 600 HP engine. Cheese and rice.


Can you crank out a 600hp 408 ish SB with all new parts by the hundreds if needed?


I can crank out 600hp LS engines by the thousands for a hell of a lot less

And have them last.

Before anyone cries "LS", no one but the apologists are bringing up the smallblock.
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#2379571 - 09/30/17 09:00 PM Re: New Arrow Racing crate hemis [Re: Supercuda]
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And I’m sure theres plenty of guys (sixpackgut) that could crank out Hemis for less as well. These look they use all new parts (no junkyard stuff) and are complete ready to drop in. Check out the link I pasted. It’s a similar diplacement/hp/complete level of engine for a similar price. It’s around 2K cheaper (not surprising) but hardly calls for the level of shock some are hinting at.

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#2379580 - 09/30/17 09:11 PM Re: New Arrow Racing crate hemis [Re: Supercuda]
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Originally Posted By Supercuda
Originally Posted By HotRodDave
Originally Posted By pittsburghracer
That is CRAZY high for a 600 HP engine. Cheese and rice.


Can you crank out a 600hp 408 ish SB with all new parts by the hundreds if needed?


I can crank out 600hp LS engines by the thousands for a hell of a lot less

And have them last.

Before anyone cries "LS", no one but the apologists are bringing up the smallblock.



Pittsburgracer loves pooping on the Gen III any chance he gets, I just like giving it back whenever he brings it up, only reason I brought up the SB. I’m glad you brought up he LS, so I can pint out my previous post on the similar costs. No apologists here, Gen III is an awesome engine, it is funny seeing the butthurt come out over every little thing lol

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#2379757 - 10/01/17 05:53 AM Re: New Arrow Racing crate hemis [Re: Malicious�]
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Clayton’s 426 Hemi
Hellcat block= $1400 from Steve White Motors (NEW)
Molnor 4.05 Crank =$ 930 +105 for ring (NEW)
Hemitronix VVT delete $550 (NEW)
Manley Rods 6.125 2-inch pin $650 (NEW)
Howards Cams Camshafts 786965-13 +$370 (NEW)
6.1 Intake and fuel rails $650 (Used)
Smith Bro Pushrods =$135 (NEW)
Diamond Pistons & rings =$ 840 (4.09 Bore 13+ CC dome) (NEW)
ARP Bolts, Head studs & mains $340+$160 (NEW)
PAC Titanium retainers =$225 (NEW)
PAC-1205X Valve Springs=$340 (NEW)
Stock Eagle Heads with new Manley valves = $650 ((Used)
Oil Pump Melling $165 (NEW)
$6960.00
Lifters are not included, it’s not a” speed secret” but the ones being used are not conventual G3 hemi Lifters. If they work out, will tell you, if they don’t I don’t want other people trying this hair brain idea, and having their engine take a dump because some guy on the internet did it. Rocker arms are also not included they are stockers that came on the heads, but were cryro treated. Clayton Did his own head port work.
Price does not include any machine work, or balancing, in my opinion machine work pricing can turn in to apples to oranges discussion.
2010 Challenger@ 4100 Lbs with driver
10.21@ 131Mph @ Ceil County Raceway.

Kevin’s (Company I work for owner) 427 LS7 Drag motor.
Dart LS Block 318372211=$2650.00 NEW SUMMIT
PRC LS7X 285cc 400CFM 2.24I 1.65E $2900 NEW TEXAS PERFORMANCE
Manley Platinum Series Piston 592300C-8 =$780 NEW Summit
Carrillo Rods =$1700 SUMMIT( I wanted Manley)
Callies Crank = $925 SUMMIT

$8955 ….and that’s not including cam, Lifters, Intake and all the other crap involved putting it back in the 2012 Camarwreck all this just to run 9.98 @ 3600 lbs

Take it for what it's worth, take it with a grain of salt, I don't care.
Take it as a dig(dis) again I don't care,


Edited by ric3xrt (10/01/17 01:00 PM)

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#2380440 - 10/02/17 07:05 AM Re: New Arrow Racing crate hemis [Re: Malicious�]
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Are they still using the VVT?

Would the Arrow engines be less with the Drak Pack intake and a Carb? along with the MSD hemi ignition...

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#2380473 - 10/02/17 09:05 AM Re: New Arrow Racing crate hemis [Re: WO23Coronet]
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Originally Posted By WO23Coronet
Originally Posted By Supercuda
Originally Posted By HotRodDave
Originally Posted By pittsburghracer
That is CRAZY high for a 600 HP engine. Cheese and rice.


Can you crank out a 600hp 408 ish SB with all new parts by the hundreds if needed?


I can crank out 600hp LS engines by the thousands for a hell of a lot less

And have them last.

Before anyone cries "LS", no one but the apologists are bringing up the smallblock.



Pittsburgracer loves pooping on the Gen III any chance he gets, I just like giving it back whenever he brings it up, only reason I brought up the SB. I’m glad you brought up he LS, so I can pint out my previous post on the similar costs. No apologists here, Gen III is an awesome engine, it is funny seeing the butthurt come out over every little thing lol




Hey I agree they are awesome engines and if I was younger I would play with one BUT 600 horsepower for 20,000.00 is CRAZY. Come-on now you gotta agree with me on that one.
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1970 Duster
Edelbrock headed 408
6.143@110.89 mph
9.73@135.05 mph shifting at 6700 RPM
422 Indy headed small block
6.004@113.27mph
9.56@137.89

https://flic.kr/p/WjECmg

[img]http://i.imgur.com/Z4SvNU4.jpg?1[/img]



Untitled by John Cadamore, on Flickr





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#2380548 - 10/02/17 11:20 AM Re: New Arrow Racing crate hemis [Re: pittsburghracer]
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Hey I agree they are awesome engines and if I was younger I would play with one BUT 600 horsepower for 20,000.00 is CRAZY. Come-on now you gotta agree with me on that one. [/quote]

For sure, 20K is a lot of money and I wouldn’t pay it. I’d buy a JY engine and build my own. BUT there is a market for this and it’s not out of line with other makers offerings, it’s not unique to the Gen III

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#2380664 - 10/02/17 02:09 PM Re: New Arrow Racing crate hemis [Re: Malicious�]
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The other way to look at it - take a clean 318 68/70 Charger and power it with one of these, you're going to get your money back and then some.

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#2380745 - 10/02/17 04:55 PM Re: New Arrow Racing crate hemis [Re: Malicious�]
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Despite it being a cobbled together piece, I have somewhere north of $7500 in my 360, and it doesn't make anywhere close to 580 hp. I paid $0 for the block, maybe $100 for the heads, and I think I got the intake for $150. But, I'd estimate easily $7500 for the valve train, the rotating assembly, (I have probably $1500 into a cast 360 crank. frown Don't ask.), the cost of squaring, decking, and torque plating the block, 1 sleeve, plus carb, ignition, etc.
Now, I saved a bunch by doing all my own assembly work. Proper hand assembly is pricey. If I was wanting to build a 550 hp 360, from scratch, ready to drop in the car, I would expect to be forking over at least $15-20K.

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