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#945535 - 05/29/14 08:22 AM Re: 37 Dodge PU - [Re: dogdays]
Mike P Offline
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I've been working on a bunch of other projects for a while now and haven't had a chance to get back to the Dodge.

Every 6 months or so I do fire up the engine for it though......bring it up to full operating temp, circulate the oil, piss off the neighbors etc. I took a video of it yesterday and thought some might enjoy it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKxDIiVoeDg


Edited by Mike P (06/30/14 07:35 AM)
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#945536 - 05/30/14 05:55 AM Re: 37 Dodge PU - [Re: Mike P]
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that sounds pretty good ! could you do me a favor ? what is the outside measurement of the pipes side to side where they just start going together to aim towards the collecter ? this would be approximately 1 1/2" or so from the head casting where they are bolted on. thanks !

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#945537 - 06/15/14 02:57 AM Re: 37 Dodge PU - [Re: Mike P]
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#945538 - 06/19/14 04:09 PM Re: 37 Dodge PU - [Re: Mike P]
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I've been working on a bunch of other projects for a while now and haven't had a chance to get back to the Dodge for a while now.

Every 6 months or so I do fire up the engine for it though......bring it up to full operating temp, circulate the oil, piss off the neighbors etc. I took a video of it yesterday and thought some might enjoy it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKxDIiVoeDg



Bad to theBone!
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#945539 - 06/23/14 02:39 PM Re: 37 Dodge PU - [Re: Robbins]
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Sounds great

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#945540 - 10/01/14 05:55 PM Re: 37 Dodge PU - [Re: 36Dodge]
Mike P Offline
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AZ A12 Bee progress got me motivated so I figured I’d get back on my 37 Dodge. Tripping over the Dana 60 for the last 2 years is enough and the old Dodge is back up to the front burner (for a while anyway). I got the bed off today and spent some time taking some measurements.



Of course with the bed off I found some rust that I’ll have to patch before it goes back on. The front of the bed is pretty nasty looking and I found a bit of rot the middle of the cab.





I looked under the rear when I bought the truck and knew going in that I would have to re-do the rear end so I wasn’t surprised there. The POs work left a bit to be desired.





I’m planning on keeping it leaf springs, but the springs and hangers will all be replaced. Well at least I know what I’ll be doing with my “spare time” for a while.


Edited by Mike P (10/02/14 07:16 AM)
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#945541 - 10/03/14 07:48 PM Re: 37 Dodge PU - [Re: Mike P]
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I spent some quality time with the torch, drill, cut off wheel, hammer and punch today and got the front and rear spring perches off. As long as I was there I went ahead and also removed the now useless gas tank hanger.





With the rear end out I was able to get some accurate measurements on the flange to flange width……I had been under the impression the rear end I took out was 58” wide but was happy to find out that that it was 60” instead. This happens to be within a 1/16” of the Dana 60 that’s going to replace it so I don’t have to come up with an extra 1” of back spacing on the wheels like I thought.

I’m also working a deal on a rebuilt 46RH right now that hopefully I’ll know more about on Monday.
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#945542 - 10/05/14 10:31 AM Re: 37 Dodge PU - [Re: Mike P]
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Mike, this guy sell some patch panels for our trucks, I just bought door hinge pins and a patch panel that covers the fuel tube hole in the cab.

http://www.37plyguy.com
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#945543 - 10/05/14 12:11 PM Re: 37 Dodge PU - [Re: AZ_A12_BEE]
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I wish my 37 was a truck instead of a four door
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#945544 - 10/05/14 02:16 PM Re: 37 Dodge PU - [Re: booger]
Mike P Offline
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"...Mike, this guy sell some patch panels for our trucks...."

Thanks, I've looked at his site and there are a few pieces that I'll be needing. I want to do the back of the cab and front of the bed before the bed gets bolted back down.

You had asked before about a B Body Dana in one for these and here’s what I've found so far. I was under the impression the Chevy rear end that was under there was 58" but after I got it out I found out it was really 60".....for all intents and purposes the same as a 68-70 Dana.

The wheels and tires pictured on the truck were 15X8 with 3 1/2" back spacing and 235/75/15 tires…..these just cleared the fenders. Before I took the wheels off I measured the width from the outside of the tire to outside of tire (the widest part of the tire, below the tread) and that came up to 69”.

I’ve got a pair of tires that are a bit shorter and wider (235/70/15) mounted on 15X7 cop car wheels with 4” back spacing. With these mounted on the Dana outside of tire to outside of tire is 68 ¼” so I gain just a little bit on clearance.

Here’s a pretty good picture of how the truck sat when it came into the shop this time.



Besides straightening out the mess with the springs/hangers and spacers, the plan is; move the axle back a couple of inches, and lower the back to where the truck is close to level. I’m thinking that will but the top of the tire about at the bottom of the fender opening.
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#945545 - 10/11/14 08:26 PM Re: 37 Dodge PU - [Re: Mike P]
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I’ve been pluggin away on getting the rear end in. As I’m a firm believer in never throwing anything away, I have a few spring packs laying around from cars I’ve parted out. After going thru what I have I settled on trying Mustang II springs I had. They moved the center bolt back a couple of inches, were 2 ½” wide and I had 2 sets so I could use one set as a donor for extra leafs.

The original springs were 1 ¾” wide so the front spring brackets were too narrow for the new springs. Rather than re-invent the wheel and build new brackets from scratch, I elected to modify the originals to hold the new springs.




After I sandblasted all the leafs I assembled the spring packs and added 2 leafs to each side as a starting point. They are a little shorter than the original springs (not a big deal as rear spring hanger is easy to relocate), and a good deal softer than the originals.


There is a lot of love and parts availability for the Mustang II front suspensions…..not so much for the rear suspension. After spending ½ a day trying to find urethane bushing for the front spring eye (the best I came up with was they could be special ordered but at least a 2 weeks wait time (plus about twice the price of the on the shelf bushings). While the cost was not really a show stopper, the wait time sucks so I moved on to plan B which was to order a set of B Body MOPAR spring bushings. They are the right width and center bolt size, but 1/8th inch too big around. It took just a few minutes to build a spindle and mount them on the drill press and turn them down with some 80 Grit sandpaper.


With the front of the springs mounted I was able to roll the rear end under the frame and start figuring out where the rear spring bracket will go. They are kind of hard to see in the picture, but I ordered a set of bolt on spring perches a while back. Anyone who has set a rear end up with standard perches and get everything centered and pinion angle set then tack weld the perches and hope nothing has shifted before final welding can probably appreciate these. I can snug these down and if I don’t like it just loosen the bolts until I’m happy with it. After I get everything set I can either weld them to the axle tube of replace them with conventional perches.

I was not at all happy with how the spring were on the initial set up. The front spring angle was really ugly and not even close to lowering the truck enough.



The cure turned out to be pretty simple, I flipped the front spring hangers. It looks like that did the trick, the spring angle looks good and it drops it to where I can fine tune the height with reasonable length spring shackles.



Dorman make replacement rear spring brackets and they probably have something I can use for the back mount. I’m still researching to find a chart on the dimensions for rear spring brackets but I have wait to make the final decision on that until I get the bed set back on and see how far the springs compress. If anybody had a link to a chart that shows the dimensions (bolt hole spacing, width, eye bolt size etc) for Ford/Dodge/Chevy trucks I would appreciate it
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#945546 - 10/12/14 05:38 AM Re: 37 Dodge PU - [Re: Mike P]
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looks like you are off to a good start. i can appreciate the comment about not throwing anything away ! that's why i have trouble moving around in my shop ! the only thing i can see is you will probably have to "c" notch the rails above the rear for clearance. the height looks good.

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#945547 - 10/14/14 05:41 PM Re: 37 Dodge PU - [Re: moparx]
Mike P Offline
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I mounted up some taller narrower tires for the front and temporarily set the bed back on. I’m happy with the spring rate and the way the tire is centered now. It sat pretty low in the back so I moved the temporary shackle brackets down a little more.

This is what I started with.



and this is what it looked like with the tires I had mounted up at the beginning of the project.



After looking at it I thought I’d try a bigger tire and to get some more height/rake.



I’m used to looking at it with the other wheels and tires, so I’m not sure how I like it yet.

Wondering if anyone had any comments or suggestions? (Yeah I know be careful what you ask for)
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#945548 - 10/14/14 08:46 PM Re: 37 Dodge PU - [Re: Mike P]
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I like the middle version, with the smaller tires, might just be the style of the big rear tires that doesn't trip my trigger, they have the look of snow tires that doesn't match the open hood sides (I like the open hood sides). Gene

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#945549 - 10/14/14 09:12 PM Re: 37 Dodge PU - [Re: poorboy]
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Thanks poorboy. The tires (in all the pictures) are on there just for me to get an idea on tire size/vehicle stance. They are all so old I wouldn't trust any of them for anything but rollers. I'm kind of thinking I'll end up settling for something size wise in between the big and smaller tires (I just didn't have anything else in the shed).
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#945550 - 10/15/14 09:32 AM Re: 37 Dodge PU - [Re: Mike P]
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I almost feel like Goldilocks (although the wife accuses me of having the personality more akin to that of the bear). The first tires were too small, the second to big.....but after looking in the back shed some more I think I found a pair that are just right.




The wheels they are mounted on need a bit more offset but I like the size.

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#945551 - 10/15/14 08:16 PM Re: 37 Dodge PU - [Re: Mike P]
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Yep! Those tires are just right!
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#945552 - 10/15/14 09:19 PM Re: 37 Dodge PU - [Re: Mike P]
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I almost feel like Goldilocks (although the wife accuses me of having the personality more akin to that of the bear). The first tires were too small, the second to big.....but after looking in the back shed some more I think I found a pair that are just right.




The wheels they are mounted on need a bit more offset but I like the size.

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Looks a little lower than my truck


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#945553 - 10/15/14 09:21 PM Re: 37 Dodge PU - [Re: AZ_A12_BEE]
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Mike, we need to both get our trucks on the road and go show them side by side
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#945554 - 10/15/14 11:01 PM Re: 37 Dodge PU - [Re: AZ_A12_BEE]
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“….Yep! Those tires are just right!......”

Thanks Gene, Yeah, that’s my thought (good thing too I’m getting tired of changing tires )

“……Looks a little lower than my truck….”

I think you’re right, at least in the front. The Mustang II front end was already on when I bought the truck, and I think it sets a bit lower than stock. I’d like to raise it a bit but that would be kind of hard without chopping the whole front end out. I haven’t measured the front but the top of my rear frame rail is now 20 ½” from the ground (down from the 23 ½” I started with). I also think part of it might be optical illusion too…..after studying mine a bit I kind of think the back of the front fender and front of the running board might be sitting a little low. I’m going to see if there is any adjustment I can make on that to raise them.

“….Mike, we need to both get our trucks on the road and go show them side by side….”


I’d like that. By the way I saw your post in the E Bay/WIW section….is your engine swap moving up a bit in priority ?
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