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#2381479 - 10/03/17 08:47 PM Re: Rumor - Hyundai to buy Chrysler from FCA [Re: sp392]
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Originally Posted By Malicious�
Delorenzo's accuracy rating is so low I don't even know why people take him seriously.

was talking to a friend in the industry

" Pure tripe" is what I was being told
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#2381502 - 10/03/17 09:34 PM Re: Rumor - Hyundai to buy Chrysler from FCA [Re: VS29H0B]
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Originally Posted By VS29H0B
Originally Posted By Superfreak
Originally Posted By Rhinodart
Maybe Moparts should pool our money and buy Chrysler and Dodge, I am sure we could come up with some pretty "interesting" designs... runaway


You would need more than $50 though.


Yes, FCA has about $40 billion in bonded debt remaining from the Sergio spinoffs of FCA products. Hyundai has the $$$ and really only wants the iconic Jeep brand and pickup trucks (RAM). Unfortunately all the rest is disposable.


This makes a lot of sense to me. Ram and Jeep are the only pieces left that are worth while. Look at their websites...Dodge has the Challenger/Charger/Viper. While all those are cool cars, they are not what most want to buy(myself included)Not everyone can use a V8 RWD car practically and toy cars are a niche market with relatively low sales numbers.That leaves the Journey/Dart/Caravan and Durango. All face a LOT of competition in their respective classes.

Chrysler has the 300 and the Pacifica(why would you rename a good minivan with the name of a complete POS??)The 300 is cool but again, not everyone wants a Hemi powered RWD/AWD sedan.

Sorry to say there's already not much left of Chrysler/Dodge and someone will likely buy it up, dispose of most of it and rename the rest. RIP

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#2381516 - 10/03/17 09:58 PM Re: Rumor - Hyundai to buy Chrysler from FCA [Re: Rhinodart]
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Originally Posted By Rhinodart
Maybe Moparts should pool our money and buy Chrysler and Dodge, I am sure we could come up with some pretty "interesting" designs... runaway



Rumor - Rhinodart to buy Chrysler from FCA work
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#2381637 - 10/04/17 07:16 AM Re: Rumor - Hyundai to buy Chrysler from FCA [Re: VS29H0B]
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If FCA does sell, the first/best thing that Hyundai could do would be to destroy every remnant of the dealership network and start over with all new faces and an all new attitude towards the customer.
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#2381638 - 10/04/17 07:21 AM Re: Rumor - Hyundai to buy Chrysler from FCA [Re: VS29H0B]
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How is Dodge "irrelevant" when Kia/Hyundai just spent billions on that RWD Kia Stinger which is nothing more than a wannabe Dodge Charger?

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#2381643 - 10/04/17 07:42 AM Re: Rumor - Hyundai to buy Chrysler from FCA [Re: sp392]
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Originally Posted By Malicious�
How is Dodge "irrelevant" when Kia/Hyundai just spent billions on that RWD Kia Stinger which is nothing more than a wannabe Dodge Charger?


It looks like a slightly smaller version of the G80. Hyundai hired some Audi engineers for the Genesis line.

As a side note, I am seriously considering a G80 Sport with the twin turbo V6. Although that 5.0L V8 runs really, really good.
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#2381644 - 10/04/17 08:01 AM Re: Rumor - Hyundai to buy Chrysler from FCA [Re: Guitar Jones]
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Originally Posted By Guitar Jones
Originally Posted By Malicious�
How is Dodge "irrelevant" when Kia/Hyundai just spent billions on that RWD Kia Stinger which is nothing more than a wannabe Dodge Charger?


It looks like a slightly smaller version of the G80. Hyundai hired some Audi engineers for the Genesis line.

As a side note, I am seriously considering a G80 Sport with the twin turbo V6. Although that 5.0L V8 runs really, really good.


IIRC Hyundai/Kia flat out poached Audis head designer years ago.

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#2381680 - 10/04/17 09:33 AM Re: Rumor - Hyundai to buy Chrysler from FCA [Re: VS29H0B]
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Originally Posted By VS29H0B


All this being said, the deal would be complicated by existing factories, unions, supplier contracts to name only a few things.



Nothing says any potential buyer has to buy all of FCA.

It can buy Jeep/Ram and leave the rest to FCA to wither on the vine, like the old Chrysler or the old GM after the rape called a bankruptcy.

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#2381687 - 10/04/17 09:43 AM Re: Rumor - Hyundai to buy Chrysler from FCA [Re: sp392]
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Originally Posted By Malicious�
Originally Posted By Guitar Jones
Originally Posted By Malicious�
How is Dodge "irrelevant" when Kia/Hyundai just spent billions on that RWD Kia Stinger which is nothing more than a wannabe Dodge Charger?


It looks like a slightly smaller version of the G80. Hyundai hired some Audi engineers for the Genesis line.

As a side note, I am seriously considering a G80 Sport with the twin turbo V6. Although that 5.0L V8 runs really, really good.


IIRC Hyundai/Kia flat out poached Audis head designer years ago.


That is correct and he brought some other engineers with him.
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#2381850 - 10/04/17 02:30 PM Re: Rumor - Hyundai to buy Chrysler from FCA [Re: VS29H0B]
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If they buy it, the first thing is to hire about 10 young hackers to make the electronics last longer then 6 months. Next, get the Honda and Toyota engine, find out how to get 40 mpg, then use their engineers to make the CAR last more than 150,000 miles without rusting out and falling apart. Just doesn't seem to work over here with the people we have.

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#2382019 - 10/04/17 05:16 PM Re: Rumor - Hyundai to buy Chrysler from FCA [Re: VS29H0B]
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The Agnelli heirs want to "cash out" before the automotive sales turn down in the next recession, which will happen at some point.

They have ordered Sergio to do a deal with whoever, sooner rather than later.

Sergio will probably get a bigger bonus if it goes through sooner. If the sale is not complete before a recession it probably will not happen at all. Buy low, sell near peak.

The Agnelli heirs are ok with keeping Fiat,
perhaps because they are confident that the Italian gov/EU will always bail it out as "too big to fail" in stagnant Italy's jobs situation.

Korean companies also seem to have "too big to fail" gov support.

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#2382340 - 10/05/17 09:25 AM Re: Rumor - Hyundai to buy Chrysler from FCA [Re: cudaman1969]
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Originally Posted By cudaman1969
If they buy it, the first thing is to hire about 10 young hackers to make the electronics last longer then 6 months. Next, get the Honda and Toyota engine, find out how to get 40 mpg, then use their engineers to make the CAR last more than 150,000 miles without rusting out and falling apart. Just doesn't seem to work over here with the people we have.


Nevermind that, they need to at least hire someone to figure out how to keep the front ends from falling from under them at 90k!

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#2382362 - 10/05/17 10:37 AM Re: Rumor - Hyundai to buy Chrysler from FCA [Re: DaytonaTurbo]
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Originally Posted By DaytonaTurbo
Originally Posted By cudaman1969
If they buy it, the first thing is to hire about 10 young hackers to make the electronics last longer then 6 months. Next, get the Honda and Toyota engine, find out how to get 40 mpg, then use their engineers to make the CAR last more than 150,000 miles without rusting out and falling apart. Just doesn't seem to work over here with the people we have.


Nevermind that, they need to at least hire someone to figure out how to keep the front ends from falling from under them at 90k!


Do they still do that? I know the trucks and LX's were bad for that during the Daimler era due to crappy front end parts, but I thought the trucks were fixed in 09 and the LX's were fixed in 2011 under new ownership.

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#2382892 - 10/06/17 09:24 AM Re: Rumor - Hyundai to buy Chrysler from FCA [Re: sp392]
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Trump needs to step in & say GM, Ford & Chrysler stay. The rest of you foreign junk cars can go back to your own countries. None of these foreign cars will ever be in my Family or in my driveway anyway.
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#2382894 - 10/06/17 09:35 AM Re: Rumor - Hyundai to buy Chrysler from FCA [Re: 6PKRTSE]
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Originally Posted By 6PKRTSE
Trump needs to step in & say GM, Ford & Chrysler stay. The rest of you foreign junk cars can go back to your own countries. None of these foreign cars will ever be in my Family or in my driveway anyway.


If that happens then he needs to mandate that they get rid of today's cell phones on wheels and produce exact copies of their entire 1968 - 1971 lineup again. Then, I'll buy a new car. laugh2

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#2382896 - 10/06/17 09:40 AM Re: Rumor - Hyundai to buy Chrysler from FCA [Re: VS29H0B]
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I'm retired Chrysler so all I hope is they keep paying me not to work.

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#2382928 - 10/06/17 10:59 AM Re: Rumor - Hyundai to buy Chrysler from FCA [Re: 6PKRTSE]
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Originally Posted By 6PKRTSE
Trump needs to step in & say GM, Ford & Chrysler stay. The rest of you foreign junk cars can go back to your own countries. None of these foreign cars will ever be in my Family or in my driveway anyway.


Jeep, Ram, Dodge and Chrysler could totally make it on their own and they should be. Imagine the vehicles they would have and the quality if they weren't always bailing out other car companies and having their bank account drained.

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#2382952 - 10/06/17 11:50 AM Re: Rumor - Hyundai to buy Chrysler from FCA [Re: cudaman1969]
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Originally Posted By cudaman1969
If they buy it, the first thing is to hire about 10 young hackers to make the electronics last longer then 6 months. Next, get the Honda and Toyota engine, find out how to get 40 mpg, then use their engineers to make the CAR last more than 150,000 miles without rusting out and falling apart. Just doesn't seem to work over here with the people we have.


This says it all. In 2011 I was looking for a new car and Chrysler/Dodge didn't have anything that would compare to what I bought a new Fusion. I had never owned anything other then a Chrysler product until that time. If they were building Quality vehicles that didn't fall apart this would be a totally different story

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#2382965 - 10/06/17 12:14 PM Re: Rumor - Hyundai to buy Chrysler from FCA [Re: TX9AAR]
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Originally Posted By TX9AAR
Originally Posted By cudaman1969
If they buy it, the first thing is to hire about 10 young hackers to make the electronics last longer then 6 months. Next, get the Honda and Toyota engine, find out how to get 40 mpg, then use their engineers to make the CAR last more than 150,000 miles without rusting out and falling apart. Just doesn't seem to work over here with the people we have.


This says it all. In 2011 I was looking for a new car and Chrysler/Dodge didn't have anything that would compare to what I bought a new Fusion. I had never owned anything other then a Chrysler product until that time. If they were building Quality vehicles that didn't fall apart this would be a totally different story


We did the same thing...in '14 we drove a 200....we bought a Fusion as well. It had much better interior feel for sure. 30k later we still really like it and zero issues.

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#2383043 - 10/06/17 02:57 PM Re: Rumor - Hyundai to buy Chrysler from FCA [Re: Dcuda69]
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