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#2380187 - 10/01/17 07:00 PM Woodworkers, I have a question about sanders
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Tell me about sanders, orbital versus finish sanders, for you guys that make stuff, which is best suited to which job. Thx.
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#2380239 - 10/01/17 07:53 PM Re: Woodworkers, I have a question about sanders [Re: StrokerPost]
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I don't use orbital sanders on wood.

I do use a dual action sander, or a belt sander.

I use whatever is cheapest.
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#2380247 - 10/01/17 08:03 PM Re: Woodworkers, I have a question about sanders [Re: StrokerPost]
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It depends on the job.

For some you can use several different sanders & possibly even a cabinet scraper or two.

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#2380254 - 10/01/17 08:08 PM Re: Woodworkers, I have a question about sanders [Re: StrokerPost]
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I use a 1/4 sheet palm sander for general stuff. Works good, but probably not as fast as an orbital if you’re needing to get things done quick. It was cheaper when I bough it and I’m not doing a bunch of sanding.

I also use a fein ultrasonic tool to sand small hard to reach areas. Don’t use it much, but it always surprises me how well it works.

I do highly recommend a sander that you can attach to vacuum to keep the dust down.

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#2380287 - 10/01/17 09:09 PM Re: Woodworkers, I have a question about sanders [Re: Paul_B]
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I will be doing a variety of things, but I will not be doing any fine furniture. Mostly what I'm looking to do is making outdoor furniture out of reclaimed lumber. I don't want a really smooth surface, cause that's not the look I want, I just want to knock it down some knock off the corners and rough edges so there's no splinters and that kind of thing, then maybe hit it with some stain and sealer and chuck it out in the yard. Have kinda gotten into the rustic projects of all sorts, some i will want smoother than others, but no really slick stuff. Hope this helps.
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#2380328 - 10/01/17 10:02 PM Re: Woodworkers, I have a question about sanders [Re: StrokerPost]
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Normally orbital sanders are not used in wood applications. Your suppose to sand with the grain of the wood. In your case it probably wouldn't matter . A belt sander would probably knock down the rough weathered wood the fastest.
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#2380423 - 10/02/17 04:11 AM Re: Woodworkers, I have a question about sanders [Re: rowin4]
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Originally Posted By rowin4
Normally orbital sanders are not used in wood applications. Your suppose to sand with the grain of the wood. In your case it probably wouldn't matter . A belt sander would probably knock down the rough weathered wood the fastest.

Ok guys, thanks for the input, i believe i will stay with a sheet sander. thumbs
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#2380446 - 10/02/17 08:09 AM Re: Woodworkers, I have a question about sanders [Re: StrokerPost]
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My young
est son makes bows and items from lumber he cuts.For the rough stuff he runs it thru a planer.His bows he uses a draw knife and hand sanding.he does use a belt sander disc combo also.The planer/joiner makes it uniform and smooth.he just mad a picnic table for the wife from logs he cut.He also madkes cat trees and also made a donut tree for his cousins wedding.His bows come out like glass.Right now he probally has 400 or 500 board feet of wild cherry he slabbed.Plus he has at least the same in osage and pine. Rocky


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#2380522 - 10/02/17 10:27 AM Re: Woodworkers, I have a question about sanders [Re: StrokerPost]
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I've done a lot of work using reclaimed wool. First I use a hand powered wire brush, if something is in bad shape I use a short belt sander using 80 or 100, then a 4" rubber block hand fired using 100 and 120.
It's pretty easy to make the finish of the sanded areas blend with the old by staining with super strong tea (10 bags to a cup) and when dry give it a wash of vinegar that has sat for a couple days with rusty metal (screws, nails, whatever).

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#2380553 - 10/02/17 11:29 AM Re: Woodworkers, I have a question about sanders [Re: StrokerPost]
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If I might interject, please use proper breathing protection... a little extra grief/cost/protection today might help you twenty years down the road. I know this first hand.

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#2380749 - 10/02/17 05:00 PM Re: Woodworkers, I have a question about sanders [Re: StrokerPost]
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iagree Good advice.

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#2380838 - 10/02/17 07:01 PM Re: Woodworkers, I have a question about sanders [Re: EV2Bird]
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Originally Posted By EV2Bird
If I might interject, please use proper breathing protection... a little extra grief/cost/protection today might help you twenty years down the road. I know this first hand.


Amen and hearing protection.

Eye protection too.
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#2380850 - 10/02/17 07:27 PM Re: Woodworkers, I have a question about sanders [Re: Supercuda]
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Originally Posted By Supercuda
Originally Posted By EV2Bird
If I might interject, please use proper breathing protection... a little extra grief/cost/protection today might help you twenty years down the road. I know this first hand.


Amen and hearing protection.

Eye protection too.



OMG! Maybe we should not even do it?!? Too dangerous!! Get back on the couch!
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#2380855 - 10/02/17 07:34 PM Re: Woodworkers, I have a question about sanders [Re: StrokerPost]
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#2382433 - 10/05/17 12:47 PM Re: Woodworkers, I have a question about sanders [Re: StrokerPost]
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A nice orbital will work great for what you want to do. Be forewarned the larger the grit (lower number) the more risk you have of getting swirl marks in your stain. I would think 150 or 180 grit would be a good place to start.

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#2382444 - 10/05/17 12:52 PM Re: Woodworkers, I have a question about sanders [Re: StrokerPost]
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I think I would go nowhere near an orbital sander when working with wood.

The belt sander will do the job faster and better in this case, just use some scrap wood to practice with first cause a belt sander will eat wood fast.

For the record, I use a cheapo HF belt sander and their cheapo belts. Just make sure you understand belt tracking on any belt sander you go with.
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#2382479 - 10/05/17 01:33 PM Re: Woodworkers, I have a question about sanders [Re: StrokerPost]
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Originally Posted By StrokerPost
Tell me about sanders, orbital versus finish sanders, for you guys that make stuff, which is best suited to which job. Thx.
Ken


I disagree with a lot of the responses in this thread. R.O. sanders do have a place in woodworking. They are great when you want to knock off a particularly rough surface so you can do your finish sanding and/or scraping.

Again, if you want the best, Festool is the way to go...but they are very expensive.

Personally, I get the cheapest one I can find because I only use it for rough sanding purposes. I've had the same Black and Decker one for a while now.

My brother has a Bosch ROS65VC-5 he is very happy with. Nice thing about that one is that its a variable-speed setup so you can be a little more "careless" with it.

Like others said, use some sort of respirator and extractor. A shop vac works well. These things will put out a very fine dust that stays airborne for a while and it's not good getting that stuff in your lungs. Some woods are also toxic if you breathe them in (cedar, walnut, and rosewood, for example).
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#2382481 - 10/05/17 01:38 PM Re: Woodworkers, I have a question about sanders [Re: StrokerPost]
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Well I've used orbitals for 40 years in my business, millwork and cabinets. Also have belt sanders and a 37 inch wide belt sander. A belt sander will leave little depressions at the end of each stroke where as the orbital will make the surface flat, I have three air Dynablades 5 inch, 80 grit to 220 grit, hook and loop. Never have problems with stain or clear top coat finish, the swirls are caused by to course of grit paper. It's all in knowing how to use each tool for the application. With what you're planning to make i would think about an angle grinder with different grits to achieve the finish you want, fast, you will take all day with that 1/4 sheet sander. Any other questions just ask.

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#2382651 - 10/05/17 06:53 PM Re: Woodworkers, I have a question about sanders [Re: StrokerPost]
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Palm 1/4 sheet and 1/2 sheet sanders are ORBITAL though they do not spin

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#2382715 - 10/05/17 08:34 PM Re: Woodworkers, I have a question about sanders [Re: BIGGERED]
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Originally Posted By BIGGERED
Palm 1/4 sheet and 1/2 sheet sanders are ORBITAL though they do not spin



Don't use either and they are RANDOM orbital sanders, not orbital sanders. Yes, there is a difference.
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#2382799 - 10/05/17 11:34 PM Re: Woodworkers, I have a question about sanders [Re: BIGGERED]
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Originally Posted By BIGGERED
Palm 1/4 sheet and 1/2 sheet sanders are ORBITAL though they do not spin



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#2382802 - 10/05/17 11:42 PM Re: Woodworkers, I have a question about sanders [Re: StrokerPost]
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I don't mind using random orbits when painting. using one to sand between coats I can achieve a very nice nearly piano finish. For sanding wood to be oil or clear finish I always hand sand. Sanding sealer, then sand and another coat followed by ss steel wool are great to prep wood for poly or catalyzed finish.

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#2382979 - 10/06/17 12:55 PM Re: Woodworkers, I have a question about sanders [Re: srt]
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Originally Posted By srt
I don't mind using random orbits when painting. using one to sand between coats I can achieve a very nice nearly piano finish. For sanding wood to be oil or clear finish I always hand sand. Sanding sealer, then sand and another coat followed by ss steel wool are great to prep wood for poly or catalyzed finish.

I don't sand between coats, I scrape with a box cutter blade, ultra slick and levels the sealer, then hit with green or brown scotch brite. Steel wool leaves fine slivers of the metal stuck in the finish. And definitely no poly.
Main rule when sanding wood, start with 80 next 120 - 180 - 220, don't skip a step, for no swirls.


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#2382996 - 10/06/17 01:20 PM Re: Woodworkers, I have a question about sanders [Re: cudaman1969]
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Originally Posted By cudaman1969

I don't sand between coats, I scrape with a box cutter blade, ultra slick and levels the sealer, then hit with green or brown scotch brite. Steel wool leaves fine slivers of the metal stuck in the finish. And definitely no poly.
Main rule when sanding wood, start with 80 next 120 - 180 - 220, don't skip a step, for no swirls.


Here's what you need:

Scrapers

A little practice and you won't get a better finish.
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#2383091 - 10/06/17 05:28 PM Re: Woodworkers, I have a question about sanders [Re: StrokerPost]
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stainless steel steel wool, tack rag, wipe with solvent, then air blast for catlyzed finishes (learned from a floor refinisher). Paint coats sand between for best glass-like finish. Much like guide coating and flat-boarding slab sided cars for the best reflections.
Basically it's different strokes for different folks.[url=
http://www.thefurnitureconnoisseur.com/guide-to-steel-wool-grades-for-furniture-finishing/]SS Wool[/url]
I restore a lot of oak and pine furniture ss wool is essential on my projects tht will be oil or clear finished.
Lastly Poly is very good for finishing redwood burls. Many many coats.

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