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Re: THE DEBATE OF NHRA PRO STOCK'S FUTURE CONTINUES [Re: pittsburghracer] #2370199
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I've said for years that they have too many national events. Add in better tv coverage than in the old days, and many just don't need/want to go anymore.

When there were only 4 or 5 national events a year it was special to go to one. Now, not so much.


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Re: THE DEBATE OF NHRA PRO STOCK'S FUTURE CONTINUES [Re: moetown] #2370202
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Why do you think grudge racing is so popular although some cars are damn near pro-mods but still a blast to watch AND sometimes unpredictable.......For me to cage and suit up in a mid 9-second car like mine is a joke, then the seat-belts every other years is nuts but I'm a humble low buck guy so street racing for me after my final 1/8 mile pass......... beer


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Re: THE DEBATE OF NHRA PRO STOCK'S FUTURE CONTINUES [Re: Thumperdart] #2370213
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Originally Posted By Thumperdart
Why do you think grudge racing is so popular although some cars are damn near pro-mods but still a blast to watch AND sometimes unpredictable.......For me to cage and suit up in a mid 9-second car like mine is a joke, then the seat-belts every other years is nuts but I'm a humble low buck guy so street racing for me after my final 1/8 mile pass......... beer




The grudge/heads ups racing has been around for years with different levels of popularity. The NSCA type stuff was great to race in and watch, but crowds were not huge.
I think the big rise in crowd and tv ratings and car counts has to be attributed to the street outlaws tv show.

I am in the same boat you are car wise. I have a top sportsman challenger 4130 chassis car, that I will be lucky to run high 7's in when finished. Need to be in 7:10 range or better to be sure of qualifying for T/S.
I hate 9:90, or 8:90 gas racing.
I love heads up racing, but that's not in the budget, at least for 3 years.

Re: THE DEBATE OF NHRA PRO STOCK'S FUTURE CONTINUES [Re: pittsburghracer] #2370225
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Also, with the popularity of street outlaws, that has attracted even more new big money, 25k plus races all over the country. The new races attracts even more cars and crowds, and then add in social media to bring it all together. Just a perfect storm of needed parts to attract big crowds, cars, and even tv.

Re: THE DEBATE OF NHRA PRO STOCK'S FUTURE CONTINUES [Re: pittsburghracer] #2370226
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I think Moetown nailed it. Any marketable item has to be advertised. Street outlaws is basically a advertisement for that style of drag and it shows at the strip. I couldn't get in to the last shootout I tried to attend because of the crowd. I remember when every week the popular radio stations had advertisements for the local drags, don't hear them anymore. Perhaps the NHRA should hook up some way with one of the many car related tv shows.

Re: THE DEBATE OF NHRA PRO STOCK'S FUTURE CONTINUES [Re: Cudajon] #2370274
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One thing I remember, is almost every town had a track, now tracks are shutting down everywhere, and you have to drive a distance, and pay a ransom to watch a race.

Re: THE DEBATE OF NHRA PRO STOCK'S FUTURE CONTINUES [Re: 71birdJ68] #2370287
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Especially here in So Cal............. down


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Re: THE DEBATE OF NHRA PRO STOCK'S FUTURE CONTINUES [Re: Thumperdart] #2370404
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Originally Posted By 71birdJ68
One thing I remember, is almost every town had a track, now tracks are shutting down everywhere, and you have to drive a distance, and pay a ransom to watch a race.


Originally Posted By Thumperdart
Especially here in So Cal............. down




I for sure picked the wrong time to move to AZ and then buy a race only car.

Re: THE DEBATE OF NHRA PRO STOCK'S FUTURE CONTINUES [Re: pittsburghracer] #2370543
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I remember when Sox, Roy Hill or Glidden would be booked at the local tracks in my area. Place was standing room only and no more than $10.00 to get in. The cars they had looked no different than the average bracket car of today. A steel body with a 9.90 cage. You could relate to those cars, not the one off space shuttles of today, knowing you could never have something like them. I'm building a 340 Duster for NHRA stock racing, entry fee for just a divisional race is $270, then you might spend half a day getting torn down, and you're there 3 days. A football game last 3 hours, a baseball game maybe 3 hours, a NASCAR race 4-5 hours, an NHRA national event last 5 DAYS. Most kids and adults have short attention spans, the reason those match races, SO races are-were popular, over in one afternoon or nite. It's all about the time.

Re: THE DEBATE OF NHRA PRO STOCK'S FUTURE CONTINUES [Re: pittsburghracer] #2371563
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I know when I was a teenager in the late 60's and early 70's everyone I hung with liked cars. And we all were brand loyal as some loved the 427 Vette's and some the Hemi Roadrunner and some the 428 SCJ Stang. But it gave all of us an interest in going to the track to see them cars racing each other. And we could relate so much to that. And in 1970 Pro Stock was the perfect class for the time and us young car nuts. The match racing was awesome when you could see the Pro racers at your local track going at it. And they ran the same eng as the car brand. 426 Hemi Cuda's Duster's and so on against 427 Camaro's and Nova's against 427 and 429 Mustang's and Maverick's. The sport just dont have that today in many if any classes. They need to have the young kids getting interest in it by racing cars they can relate to. It was great to see a car racing that looked just like the car you drive and had an eng made by that brand manufactor. Heck the Pro Stock engines of today are all generic and mostly the same. I dont know the real answer but I feel they need a class to run the new Challenger , Camaro and Mustang heads up. In the old days they had so many different cars to race where today its pretty much just them three from the US manufactors. Myself I love the Nostalgia Super Stock racing and the FAST and Pure Stock racing and thats because its all the 60's and 70's muscle cars I can relate to. Ron

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Re: THE DEBATE OF NHRA PRO STOCK'S FUTURE CONTINUES [Re: 383man] #2372770
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Originally Posted By 383man
I dont know the real answer but I feel they need a class to run the new Challenger , Camaro and Mustang heads up.Ron


There are the Factory Stock and Factory SS classes. My engine guy and I went to the Gators on Thursday this spring and there was a pretty good crowd there. The announcer called it "Hardcore Thursday" with a better than anticipated turnout, but the once-in-a-lifetime conditions (~-2900' DA) didn't produce record times since most shutoff around 1000' to avoid the HP hit. It doesn't seem like NHRA wants to promote the classes much. The shootout races are heads-up but are eight car fields from what I've seen. I think there are enough cars out there to make a 16 car field.


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Re: THE DEBATE OF NHRA PRO STOCK'S FUTURE CONTINUES [Re: mr_340] #2372776
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The trouble with these classes is MOST of their passes are made early in the event before most of the weekend spectators show up.


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Re: THE DEBATE OF NHRA PRO STOCK'S FUTURE CONTINUES [Re: pittsburghracer] #2372789
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I think Pro Stock is boring now. I understand how it got there but I think the end result is boring. I know that those cars have a boat load of cash and technology and R&D time in them. I understand how much work it takes to build those cars and to run them. I get it - but the end result is BORING.

I loved the class back in the days before computer controlled air shocks and all of that turned the races into a slot car contest. I know that is what they have to do to get down the track clean and fast and safe but it is to dull to watch so I just ignore it.

I used to love walking thru the pits back with Glidden and Grumpy and watch those guys working on real production based engines in cars that actually had VIN tags.

NASCAR suffered the same fate. They built so much technology into the cars that it became boring and silly. (at least to me)

Re: THE DEBATE OF NHRA PRO STOCK'S FUTURE CONTINUES [Re: AndyF] #2372816
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Allen made a very nice hit during first round yesterday but got beat on a hole shot. I fast forward through the class after that


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Re: THE DEBATE OF NHRA PRO STOCK'S FUTURE CONTINUES [Re: moetown] #2372865
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Originally Posted By moetown
Also, with the popularity of street outlaws, that has attracted even more new big money, 25k plus races all over the country. The new races attracts even more cars and crowds, and then add in social media to bring it all together. Just a perfect storm of needed parts to attract big crowds, cars, and even tv.


I'm going to SGMP for No Mercy, and they pay 50k to win Radial vs the world. Plus 10k for multiple classes. Can't wait, gonna be packed!


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Too bad the best minds in drag racing are almost sidelined.

What I'd like to see before it gets cut, is a one time 2 year event. Just the raw materials to build a car. Tubing, a spec body, spec electric, bare un machined engine castings ect. Only one person is allowed to touch the materials,and build the entire car, and that is the same person that has to drive it. One man show, open to anyone who can purchase the spec pile, and they all work in a supervised shop with each competitor have the same access to the same tools, machines ect.

Would be interesting to see the spread.

Re: THE DEBATE OF NHRA PRO STOCK'S FUTURE CONTINUES [Re: AndyF] #2372967
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I agree with Andy the class is boring and Ron is also correct they should run the Challenger , Camaro and Mustang heads up.
Make them 3/4 chassis cars with a 400 CID limit. Take them to a wind tunnel and even out the aero.
My favorite classes used to be modified production and pro stock. It was impressive to see stock bodied cars run that fast.

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Originally Posted By poboyengineering
Originally Posted By moetown
Also, with the popularity of street outlaws, that has attracted even more new big money, 25k plus races all over the country. The new races attracts even more cars and crowds, and then add in social media to bring it all together. Just a perfect storm of needed parts to attract big crowds, cars, and even tv.


I'm going to SGMP for No Mercy, and they pay 50k to win Radial vs the world. Plus 10k for multiple classes. Can't wait, gonna be packed!




No mercy is on my to do list. Huge race.
SGMP has a lot of big races.

Re: THE DEBATE OF NHRA PRO STOCK'S FUTURE CONTINUES [Re: pittsburghracer] #2373098
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Look at the attendance to the Yellow Bullet Nats.Over 500 cars racing 'till midnight.This and the events like lights out and such PACK them in.


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Originally Posted By hemi-itis
Look at the attendance to the Yellow Bullet Nats.Over 500 cars racing 'till midnight.This and the events like lights out and such PACK them in.


True,but start having one every other weekend and see what happens.


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