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Re: AN fitting leak [Re: challenger70] #234593
02/24/09 06:19 PM
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You should be able to find it at NAPA. I have Permatex Valve Grinding Compound 34B (Item #80037)

PM me if you have any ? I'll give you a toll free # to contact me at.

Re: AN fitting leak [Re: roadhazard] #234594
02/24/09 06:20 PM
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Settle down, not saying your wrong.
Just never had to do it. I was lucky I guess.





It's all good! I wasn't trying to be pis*y about anything. Just trying to give the guy something to look at and/or think about. Think it's worth a try?

Nice ride by the way!




Cool,Thanks
It make sense and is worth a try if it's leaking at the flare. I hope he doesn't have 37 degree fittings mixed up with 45 degree?
You can get valve grinding compound at any auto parts store I would think.

Yes I know who Ken is, ran his cly heads on one of my hemis a long time ago.

Re: AN fitting leak [Re: Challenger 1] #234595
02/24/09 06:28 PM
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I hope he doesn't have 37 degree fittings mixed up with 45 degree?





Me too Thanks for the help I should be able to get this solved once and for all with all these great ideas.

Re: AN fitting leak [Re: Challenger 1] #234596
02/24/09 06:38 PM
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Cool,Thanks
It make sense and is worth a try if it's leaking at the flare. I hope he doesn't have 37 degree fittings mixed up with 45 degree?
You can get valve grinding compound at any auto parts store I would think.

Yes I know who Ken is, ran his cly heads on one of my hemis a long time ago.





Heads-Up point on the flare angles!! Should be able to spot that visually and a good thing to look at.

Re: AN fitting leak [Re: challenger70] #234597
02/24/09 07:07 PM
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A few months ago my car sprung a massive leak right in the middle of a long length of Earls perform O flex -8 braided hose.
I couldn,t believe it since they were only about 5 years old as well . I didn,t know what to think so after a little investigating i saw that quite a few other people have recently had this same probelm as well and there is even a disclaimer about it on Earl,s website !!!

Though it doesnt sound like that,s your problem( right now at least) i figured i,d mention it since it sounds like were both running the same lines of the same age and probably the same fuel.

Suposedly certain additives in SOME pump gas can break these and other standard fuel hoses down over time. They mention if in doubt to run the teflon lined hose !

After reading that i was seeing as how i had about $500 worth of hose and fittings in the car and would have to
change over to teflon would require all new fittings .

Well long story short i no longer trusted the rest of the hoses after that and there was no way i was gonna spend another 500 +++ .................so I ended up just running all new hard lines and for the flex connections i used R9 rated hose which has a liner to combat the nasty additives and is availible at any decent auto parts store.

Like i said this is probably not your issue ( at least not right now) Just something to consider for anyone running these lines or considering it.

I got lucky since it happened in my driveway and when the car was still cold ........it could have been alot worse.

If you can smell gas fumes in your garage with no visible leaks , that,s fuel seeping though and slowly breaking down those nice pretty expensive lines.

Re: AN fitting leak [Re: challenger70] #234598
02/24/09 07:59 PM
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Lapping the sealing surface is an old trick, we used to do that on leaks in 3000 psi hydraulic systems but the conical seals mentioned earlier are a sure-fire fix for stubborn leaks at the flare.


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Re: AN fitting leak [Re: ChinooK440] #234599
02/24/09 08:00 PM
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I don't know, I've worked with AN fittings for years up to 1' in size (16) with few problems. I've never had to resort to doing anything other than making sure that both faces were clean with no burrs. As to mixing and matching SAE 45 degree fittings with AN 37 degree fittings, I don't think the nut threads are compatible enough to get this done. Don't know though, never tried it. This link is an excellent discussion on fittings.

http://www.malonespecialtyinc.com/tech.htm#anchor136590


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Re: AN fitting leak [Re: 6PakBee] #234600
02/24/09 08:35 PM
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just a copy & paste from earls plumbling ...
Installation Notes
Fuel manufacturers may have added any number of new unpublished additives to their blends. It is therefore difficult to know how the tube compound used in the inner liner of our Perform–O–Flex or any other brand of elastomeric hose will react with a specific fuel. Because of the unknowns described above, we are unable to guarantee that the hose listed is the best possible product to use with any specific fuel. If in doubt use teflon lined hose. Not to be used with brake fluid.


i,m not bashing them... i still think they make the best performance plumbling products out there ...I give them props for posting this info just wish they would have found out sooner

Re: AN fitting leak [Re: ChinooK440] #234601
02/24/09 08:36 PM
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A few months ago my car sprung a massive leak right in the middle of a long length of Earls perform O flex -8 braided hose.
I couldn,t believe it since they were only about 5 years old as well




I think that is exactly what I have I think if that is the stainless steel(silver) hose and not that smoke colored hose. Worse yet mine is about 7 years old. That would really suck because I also have a fortune wrapped up in fittings and hose as I have a return style fuel system. Thanks for the heads up

Re: AN fitting leak [Re: challenger70] #234602
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A few months ago my car sprung a massive leak right in the middle of a long length of Earls perform O flex -8 braided hose.
I couldn,t believe it since they were only about 5 years old as well




I think that is exactly what I have I think if that is the stainless steel(silver) hose and not that smoke colored hose. Worse yet mine is about 7 years old. That would really suck because I also have a fortune wrapped up in fittings and hose as I have a return style fuel system. Thanks for the heads up





Ya i had a return style system as well

The perform o flex hose i mentioned is in fact silver with a faint black spiral tracer line but from what i,ve read this problem isn,t isolated to only that certain line either .....it can affect just about any unlined hose. Which i guess is the reason even garden varetity parts store grade hose is now availible with an inner liner.

Gates / goodyear etc. R9 fuel line has a thin blue liner in the inner core. i.d suggest anyone replacing any rubber lines to use this instead of the older R7 rated line , although it is about $4 bucks a foot .

Re: AN fitting leak [Re: ChinooK440] #234603
02/25/09 08:21 AM
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2 things come to mind, 1. slide the fitting back and check the flair for cracks or pits. 2. did you flair it with an AN flair tool? they are 37* not the standard 45*. either one of those will cause it to leak..

Re: AN fitting leak [Re: Quicktree] #234604
02/25/09 10:57 AM
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2 things come to mind, 1. slide the fitting back and check the flair for cracks or pits. 2. did you flair it with an AN flair tool? they are 37* not the standard 45*. either one of those will cause it to leak..




These are both fittings I purchased from Earls, I didn't make any of the flairs, perhaps I missed a step? I never even heard of a flair tool...

Re: AN fitting leak [Re: challenger70] #234605
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2 things come to mind, 1. slide the fitting back and check the flair for cracks or pits. 2. did you flair it with an AN flair tool? they are 37* not the standard 45*. either one of those will cause it to leak..




These are both fittings I purchased from Earls, I didn't make any of the flairs, perhaps I missed a step? I never even heard of a flair tool...




are you using braided line or a hard line? if it's a hard line they have to be flared.

Re: AN fitting leak [Re: Quicktree] #234606
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braided line

Re: AN fitting leak [Re: challenger70] #234607
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braided line




oh I thought you were running a hard line just make sure you lubricate the rubber(inside the line) when you screw the outer piece into it. if the braided hose is not new it can leak also and make you think it's the fitting.

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