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anti cav plate/studded block #2342883
07/25/17 02:17 AM
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id like to know exactly what a anti cav plate looks like on a water pump,do all models of pumps have/need them,and how are studs for headbolts superior to just plain bolts,does it not stress and unstress the block


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Re: anti cav plate/studded block [Re: rhad] #2342896
07/25/17 02:39 AM
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it is a round plate ~.030" thick tacked to the vanes, behind them on a BB pump (so you cut it in half & slip the halves behind the vanes on a BB then weld it) & it goes in front of them on a SB. EDIT I cut a circular plate out of the side of an old washing machine for my last one. you want the OD slightly less than the OD of the vanes and a hole in the center to tack the vanes/shaft/plate. first you press the vanes back to get .040" clearance on the back side then the proper thickness of the plate to get .040" on the front side, keeping in mind gasket thickness & this front/rear terminology is reversed so to speak when the pump is installed.

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Re: anti cav plate/studded block [Re: rhad] #2342910
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most bolts use the top three or four threads to hold the load, strain, torque the fastener is trying to clamp. Studs are suppose to distribute the clamping load across all the threads, not the top two to four threads shruggy Another thing to consider is the studs are threaded on both ends, course bottom threads like stock and fine threads above the part being clamp or held, which is providing more clamping surface per inch of threads than the course threads do scope work
When I have found a head bolt(or any other bolt) that starts to stretch to much before reaching the torque values needed the bolt has stretch on the top two or three threads getting thinner there which is telling me it pulling apart at those threads scope
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Re: anti cav plate/studded block [Re: rhad] #2343175
07/25/17 05:38 PM
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With and without a anti-cavitation plate

4 anti-cavitation plate.PNG4.1 no anti-cavitation plate.PNG
Re: anti cav plate/studded block [Re: Cab_Burge] #2343843
07/26/17 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted By Cab_Burge
most bolts use the top three or four threads to hold the load, strain, torque the fastener is trying to clamp. Studs are suppose to distribute the clamping load across all the threads, not the top two to four threads shruggy Another thing to consider is the studs are threaded on both ends, course bottom threads like stock and fine threads above the part being clamp or held, which is providing more clamping surface per inch of threads than the course threads do scope work
When I have found a head bolt(or any other bolt) that starts to stretch to much before reaching the torque values needed the bolt has stretch on the top two or three threads getting thinner there which is telling me it pulling apart at those threads scope
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Close but not quite there.

Proper thread engagement for a high load would have thread contact that is 1-1/2 times the diameter of the bolt. A 1/2 inch bolt should have about 3/4 inch of threads in contact. Even at a 12 tpi pitch you'd have 8 threads engaged.

In theory, 8 threads will give you about 95% of the maximum strength on most conventional fasteners. From there on out you get in to a diminishing return. Each progressive thread becomes less beneficial to the point where you get zero return for adding more.

You'll notice that nuts are usually as tall as the threaded hole is wide. That gives you a proper amount of threads. The extra half a diameter in length of a threaded hole is done for cheap insurance as well as flexibility of installation.

If you're seeing damage or wear to a couple threads it is likely from improper installation, bottoming in a tapered threaded hole, or a damaged bolt.

Most common thread taps (taper taps) have 7 tapered threads on the bottom. Tapping a hole will result in the bottom 7 threads not having full depth. You can easily damage the threads if your fastener is too long.

There are also plug taps (3 tapered threads) and bottoming taps (no tapered threads) but milling threads in a CNC machine is very common and can result in threads stopping just before the bottom of the hole.


As for the strength of the studs, that comes from the installation. Studs are not cranked in hard like a head bolt. Instead, they get run into the holes snugly and left at that. When the nut gets torqued down it will tighten the stud but it's a bit easier on the block than bolts. There is much less wear on the block's threads, too.


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