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RB Intake Manifold and EFI (TBI) #2340749
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Asking the experts.
I have a 69 Charger w/stock hood, 440 Indy EZ heads, Indy Dual Plane and currently an AED 1000 Carb. I'm wanting to go to a Holley Sniper EFI, however I've read that this system doesn't like dual plane intakes. Do you guys have any suggestions on a single plane intake manifold to accommodate the Holley Sniper EFI, compatible with Max Wedge intake ports and still get away with stock hood clearance? I do have 1 inch spacers on the K-Frame and a half inch spacer currently with a drop base air cleaner.


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Re: RB Intake Manifold and EFI (TBI) [Re: ChrgrCuda] #2340756
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Mopar M1 P4876128, Edelbrock SUPER VICTOR 440, INDY 440-2.
If you had gone with port injection you would have gained 1.5" in hood clearance.

Re: RB Intake Manifold and EFI (TBI) [Re: Mopar_Rich] #2340775
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Thanks Rich. Haven't pulled the trigger yet, I'd rather have port injection. Can you point me in the right direction for that application?


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Re: RB Intake Manifold and EFI (TBI) [Re: ChrgrCuda] #2340781
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You could get a Indy 440-2 and have Indy (or someone else) drill the bungs for injectors.

The Mopar 337 intake is MW size and low profile and it is semi-machined for injectors. But they are hard to find since Mopar Performance didn't really understand how good that manifold was.

If you can find a 337 intake somewhere and have it finished for port injection you would have a killer setup that would fit under a flat hood.

Re: RB Intake Manifold and EFI (TBI) [Re: AndyF] #2340792
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Thanks Andy!! Looks like I'll be on ebay and racing junk now until I find one.


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Re: RB Intake Manifold and EFI (TBI) [Re: ChrgrCuda] #2340798
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How much better is port injection over TBI? Summit is showing the 337 Mopar intake however it doesn't ship until August 4th. About to pull the trigger on getting it.


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Re: RB Intake Manifold and EFI (TBI) [Re: ChrgrCuda] #2340851
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Would you say that Mopar intake is better than the Indy -2 ???

Re: RB Intake Manifold and EFI (TBI) [Re: ChrgrCuda] #2340928
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Originally Posted By ChrgrCuda
How much better is port injection over TBI?


I wouldn't say better - just different.

TBI:
* Intake charge is wet so cold start and warm up is just like a carb.
* Manifold determines distribution; therefore no individual cylinder control.
* Easy to install using non-EFI manifolds and most are self-tuning.
* Doesn't like dual-plane manifolds.
* Throttle body is as high as a carb.
* Can look like a carb and can be nicely hidden.
* Some TBI ECUs have issues with higher performance engines that have low idle vacuum.
* Some TBIs have trouble with ethanol in fuel, boost or nitrous.

Port:
* Sequential injection allows for individual cylinder AF control, but requires an EFI manifold.
* Dry manifold allows cold start and warm up control with no puddling.
* Allows any combination of throttle body configuration, single 4 barrel, 6-pack, 8-stack, turbo, any blower style, any fuel.
* Typical throttle body is just an air valve so it's shorter than a carb by about 1.5".
* Allows accurate "sizing" of injectors to engine displacement.
* ECUs can be tuned for any engine power lever and low vacuum - but most require some laptop tuning though all are self tuning once a base tune is established.
* Allows dry nitrous where additional fuel is added by the ECU.
* Easily recognizable as EFI. This may be a negative.

Re: RB Intake Manifold and EFI (TBI) [Re: ChrgrCuda] #2340943
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Here is a picture of a Mopar 337 intake. As you can see, the injector bosses are cast into the intake and there are standoffs which can be drilled and tapped to hold the fuel rails. It is a low profile intake and it is designed to be a Max Wedge port size. I'm not sure if they are still being made or not, I do know a guy who bought one recently from a dealer so there are a few sitting on shelfs.

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Re: RB Intake Manifold and EFI (TBI) [Re: AndyF] #2340973
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Originally Posted By AndyF
Mopar Performance didn't really understand how good that manifold was.


It didn't help when Barton referred to it a Flower Pot, but at least we reinstated it back from NS1/dead status.


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Summit lists P4876337 M1 intake manifold for $377.00. They say it will ship August 4th. Mancini also said they are on back order. If anybody has one for sale PM me.


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Re: RB Intake Manifold and EFI (TBI) [Re: ChrgrCuda] #2341229
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Do they have one non max wedge?


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Re: RB Intake Manifold and EFI (TBI) [Re: ChrgrCuda] #2345671
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Just ordered the 337 intake from Summit. Ships August 4th. They must know how popular they are as it was $377 bucks.


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Re: RB Intake Manifold and EFI (TBI) [Re: HOTMOPR] #2345713
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Originally Posted By HOTMOPR
Do they have one non max wedge?


It's actually in between std and max wedge size. From what I know it's not been an issue putting it on std port head. I had mine opened up to max wedge size for some RPM's that were also opened up.

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Re: RB Intake Manifold and EFI (TBI) [Re: ChrgrCuda] #2346419
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Any suggestions where I can send my intake to have it opened/matched to the Max Wedge ports?


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Re: RB Intake Manifold and EFI (TBI) [Re: ChrgrCuda] #2346444
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Wilson Manifolds can do the port matching as well as adding the injectors and fuel rails. They charge premium prices but their work is top notch. I've had them do several intakes for me and they all come out perfect.

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Thanks Andy. Any idea how much horsepower is being left on the table without the port matching?


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Re: RB Intake Manifold and EFI (TBI) [Re: AndyF] #2346459
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Anyone ever use this Speedmaster intake? Or the new Edelbrock? Pro-Flow is probably shorter when you add the throttle and air filer to the single plane.
Looking into port injection this winter work

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Re: RB Intake Manifold and EFI (TBI) [Re: ChrgrCuda] #2346506
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Wish I could run one of those with a flat hood, but I don't think I could. I'm sure you could make some serious power with those long runners.


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The Edelbrock Pro Flo will easily fit under a flat hood. It is much lower than the combination of an intake + carb + air filter. I know that it looks tall but it is much shorter than something like a Victor intake + carb + air filter. Maybe 2 inches shorter? I mocked one up on my '65 Coronet and it had tons of room under the stock hood.

I've never seen that SpeedMaster intake before. Obviously a knock off of the Victor 440 EFI. If it was me I'd buy the Victor EFI and get the matching fuel rails. Then you are all set up and ready to go.

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