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Re: Flat tappet break in oil [Re: CMcAllister] #2340518
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Originally Posted By CMcAllister
I know people have budgets and they don't always need a $3000 pair of shocks on their 10 second bracket car or titanium rods in a street motor.


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Re: Flat tappet break in oil [Re: pullandrag] #2340544
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I know oil is a tricky subject--I know way less about oil than I guess I should but----other than the rash of lobe failures experienced when the oils changed--now Years ago--now Fixed-- for the most part---I have never had an engine failure I could connect to the oil being used--I have always used thicker oils like 20w50 and gave up on any performance gain from oils ( though I know from the dyno it is true ) I almost always have loose built engines I know there is still to this day Snake oil being sold and peddled--I also know that the "Bobs the Oil guy" website has folks that spend days on end just talking oils--it seems to be one of the most informative sites out there but ...I also know that if the engine is in good shape and you have any kind of oil in it-that you are almost assured that the actual oil will not be the issue if you have a failure--That would be in 90% of the engines guys on this site build and use--now I understand that a twin turbo 3 sec car and others are different so I get Extreme applications but ..as far as the old cam lobe argument--it has been proven that there are MANY factors other than oil that have piled on to make that subject a never ending tale--lifter bores, lifter crown, spring pressures, imported junk parts, USA made junk parts, etc It is NOT just the oil though I think that is the biggest factor
I have had great luck with just about any of the high ZDDP stuff as far as break in and I have run almost everything made in drag and street engines and it all worked great! I tear down all kinds of race engines every week and some of them you can hardly hold on to the parts they are so slick --when I see that I always ask what oil you running--that and a good inspection of the parts gives me a good insight into the deal every single week-- Compwedge is right--real pros that see it every single day tend to gravitate toward the best info and products available and those are opinions based on real world--see it with your on eyes data--not the old my dad ran xxxx brand for 50 years kinda stuff
I have run some stupid high pressures on flat solids using EDM lifters and very careful break in--have seen perfect looking cam lobes and lifters with 5-6 brands of oil after being SURE all else was right with the entire engine
I have to say that Gibbs is amazing--the tech they offer is the best around--Lucas stuff works--Amalie also KNOWS what they are doing--I still run the now Conoco Phillips made GT-1 Kendall in my alky dragster even with small doses of nitro because after two years it has shown me it works--and is slick--and my tear downs have shown NO oil related issues-and because I have to change it a LOT with fuel and alky and..I buy in bulk at around $34 a case--I can't afford to toss several cases of Brad Penn down the drain every week though it does a killer job with alky
It is all about the whole picture and common sense--not the most expensive or best advertised or IMO the best test results no matter who did the testing
Whew! Big subject

Re: Flat tappet break in oil [Re: ] #2340594
07/20/17 10:29 PM
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Crabman, I'm all typed out, but I simply want to also add, the Brad Penn Nitro 70 has been EXCELLENT in alky motors.Cant argue at all on that. I do very few alky motors now, so its become less of an issue for me. Thi stopic will never stop being debated, and the challenges and opinions will never be in alignment, its just " one of those things".....lol


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Re: Flat tappet break in oil [Re: pullandrag] #2340651
07/20/17 11:15 PM
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High volume pump and 20W-50 - where's it going to go? Out the relief valve. Fresh engine, unless it was built loose and/or runs hot, those two choices don't seem to make sense. Together they're going to force that pressure relief wide open at relatively low rpm.

Re: Flat tappet break in oil [Re: pullandrag] #2340881
07/21/17 11:44 AM
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Good video I'm not a scientist and every brand has someone pushing it,but it is fact it's the blood,I respect the info but let's just go back to 1990 when Castrol GTX was the chosen oil and light a Winston and comb our moustache just kidding but thanks for opening my eyes beyond ppm of zinc being the only factor I won't lie that's all I look for,use to run Kendall but lost local distributor thanks for all the info..

Re: Flat tappet break in oil [Re: pullandrag] #2340883
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Mattax great point I didn't choose this stuff at all,owner come bringing me stuff putting it in my face,but early post I agreed with a guy just to go for it,but not now going Penn break in then stick with 30w it is not a loose engine and will never be drove hard for the most part it's a show Queen Daytona

Re: Flat tappet break in oil [Re: pullandrag] #2340902
07/21/17 12:11 PM
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I was a Brad Penn break-in oil user for years but recently switched to Lucas. I still use Brad Penn 10-30 after break-in but will probably switch my alcohol builds over to Schaeffers Oil as I hear it performs better with alcohol.


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Re: Flat tappet break in oil [Re: pittsburghracer] #2340905
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Off topic but there was a post on Yellowbullet that Lucas Oil pulled all sponsorship from the Lucas Oil Drag Boat Series. Pretty sure the series also dropped several races from their schedule this year. I love watching that on TV and hope all goes well in the future. If Lucas ever pulled out of NHRA, IHRA drag racing that would be a big hit.


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Re: Flat tappet break in oil [Re: pullandrag] #2340919
07/21/17 12:39 PM
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Alot of known decent oils do test poorly in terms of additive content... this is true, many oils folks swear by appear to be very additive-depleted compared to others. If they work, it's hard to debate. Oil is like religion.

GT-1 from "back in the day" actually contained a small amount of copper as an additive, according to recent tests of NOS oil. I've got two cases of green gt-1 left... ..certain types of Pennzoil also had some copper deliberately in it as the test below shows. I don't think anyone does that anymore...but these tests of older oil show, most of them were not really all that.

https://www.blackstone-labs.com/Newsletters/Gas-Diesel/October-1-2012.php


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Re: Flat tappet break in oil [Re: pullandrag] #2340921
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Couldn't get the vidio to run, co'mon tell me what to use, all I know from this is its gotta be slick! ?? Used hyd cam, new lifters, race engine.

Re: Flat tappet break in oil [Re: pullandrag] #2341008
07/21/17 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted By pullandrag
Mattax great point I didn't choose this stuff at all,owner come bringing me stuff putting it in my face,but early post I agreed with a guy just to go for it,but not now going Penn break in then stick with 30w it is not a loose engine and will never be drove hard for the most part it's a show Queen Daytona

I figured you were leaning that way but thought it was worth bringing up.

It's tough to change a customer's mind who has already bought into an idea, but I suspect the engine that is generally run cold would be happier after breakin with a 10w-30 multi-weight.

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Totally agree Mattax thanks, Zippy I used the green GT-1 in the past,even years ago ran outside the box used Rotella 15-40 but the new stuff (T5) isn't as good as the CJ4 they had to change it for for the new tier of diesel engines with converters and exhaust fluid,best to stick with true performance oils nowadays appreciate all the comments

Re: Flat tappet break in oil [Re: pullandrag] #2341472
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Re: Flat tappet break in oil [Re: pullandrag] #2342349
07/24/17 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted By pullandrag
....Zippy I used the green GT-1 in the past,even years ago ran outside the box used Rotella 15-40 but the new stuff (T5) isn't as good as the CJ4 they had to change it for for the new tier of diesel engines with converters and exhaust fluid....


Autozone recently blew out the last of the CJ4 Rotella T5 in 10w30, and put them on clearance, they were selling 2.5 gallon jugs for $15. Not sure if there is any left in their system as us clearance sale watchers gobbled up quite a bit of it.

I'm not going to admit how much I bought, but it was definitely enough to keep me going for awhile whistling

Nice thing about it is it is dual rated, so no remorse using it in late model gas engines or older flat tappet stuff. It seems the closest thing to "all purpose" out there.


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Re: Flat tappet break in oil [Re: pullandrag] #2342366
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How about Royal Purple break in oil i came up empty handed on other brands locally

Re: Flat tappet break in oil [Re: pullandrag] #2342416
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I broke in my Comp solid flat tappet with the Comp break in stuff in 10W30, and then I ran a bottle of the break in additive for the first 2 or 3 oil changes with VR1 and BP oil. So far so good.


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Re: Flat tappet break in oil [Re: pullandrag] #2342789
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Thanks for reply I'm going to fire it this weekend but only options are Lucas additive or Royal Purple

Re: Flat tappet break in oil [Re: pullandrag] #2342877
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If its for flat tappet cam engines it's probably a good choice, Lucas does make a break in oil as well. I'd use some additive.

Also, you can order any of this stuff from Summit Racing, I always have my orders from them in 2 days. You can find this stuff on Amazon Prime too, 2 days guaranteed and usually the best price. I buy my VR1 and my BP on there. The BP is a huge savings over buying local, but you have to buy a case of 12.


Now I need to pin those needles, got to feel that heat
Hear my motor screamin while I'm tearin up the street
Re: Flat tappet break in oil [Re: pullandrag] #2343448
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I just bought the Lucas break in additive and Valvoline 30w non detergent to mix together,but honestly don't know what the ppm zone/phos is with this Lucas, it was locally available and has good online reviews going to do a search now I guess

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