The rumor were wild with Don Shumucker buying out Indy Cylinder Head months ago. Did anything ever come of this?

We could only hope it's true.

My question is why would the Don want to buy that?

They way things are going Indy is a class act, hate to see things get worse.

Last I saw, it was nothing more than a rumor.

I have no idea if there was ever any basis for those rumors or not.....but when I heard it, that's the same thought I had.

Premature ejaculation,we were told it was a done deal but learned it never got past the discussion stage.This goes to show everyone that just because someone puts it out on the net doesn't make it true.Just like all the "fake political news" we hear everyday.

I'm sure that's what you were told but the Truth is that the deal was 90% done but at the last minute the buyer backed out.

You need ISO certifications to sell parts to Mopar and if you have ever seen the Indy process, ISO certs would be a complete reboot of the company.

It's still for sale and there are people that are actively searching for a buyer

Such a pain in the a$$ , one hand it's not a bad thing on the other it's driven out a few good companies...for me it's narrowed done the competition.

What parts were they to supply Mopar with?

If I had to guess Indy would be a Mopar Performance cylinder head and intake supplier or become Mopar Performance outright.

Kevin

Ahh come on, ISO certs for Indy would be easy. I could write up the process that Indy follows in about 30 seconds! I think it is something like this:

1. Scream at the customer and tell them they are stupid
2. Machine the parts blindfolded
3. Throw parts in a box. Any box will do.
4. Charge extra
5. When customer calls to complain repeat step 1.

There, now you are ISO certified and you will pass any ISO inspection. The motto of ISO is "document what you do and do what you document".

That's good Andy,
Exactly what my uncle and I have experienced, some real class acts lol, what a joke.

Andy you win Moparts for today! Great post.

Remember the Basis for ISO is "quality is job #1" (after that you can do anything you like)

Andy!👍👍👍👍

For sure what Andy said. The any box will do thing would be funny if it weren't true. Received a pred tunnel ram in a KFC bulk biscuit box, no bs. Nothing like having the help ask you "what did you order from KFC, aren't you fat enough"? lol

Now that there is funny....lol

With the resources available to the "supposed" buyer, why buy a business with such a terrible image? Would be cheaper to fire up a new, copy what is beyond infringement (practically everything), and go cat go.

As for the amazing castings, I've never once had, or seen a from them, dry set of heads. They should should sell them with a "tig welder of your choice" coupon.

Ken Lazzeri (sp?) is a pretty big guy, maybe it was HIS box first?

Now now, the roller rocker set I bought from them arrived loose in a box and had some peanuts to cushion them as they banged into each other on he way. What's wrong with that?

No wonder they're all fired up all the time. I hear the KFC diet will make you bend the blood pressure gauge needle.

Were they at Carlisle this year? I didn't notice them, maybe it's just a mental block.

No just us peons out selling the stuff along with all the other fine merchandise ya'll love so much,.......You know Indy,KB, Mopar Performance, Milodon, I must be truly insane....

Rebranded stuff they triple the price on? Sold many MP 509 cams lately?

Imagine the first corrective action, preventative action with objective evidence that they would have to deal with....

It's interesting. One year I overheard them (ich) talking about some guy who was irate that they ruined his hemi heads when converting them to dual plug. The one guy said those heads should never be made dual plug, the other said yeah, but that's what he asked for, so that's what he got. I had them figured out then. Total jerks.

Yes but they all come in a Comp Cams box......that was kinda my point. Todd

I spoke with that customer a few years ago at Carlisle. IIRC, He said the rockers hit the spark plug tubes. Russ told him to dent the tubes for clearance. His answer, "How the he** do I change the spark plugs"? Last I was told, they made a great doorstop.

OT........Not to excuse anything......... But couldn't you just put spark plug "plugs" in the extra holes and run them with single spark plugs?

As opposed to using them as door stops.

I guess he could have. I don't remember why he wanted/needed the dual plugs, but he said they told him they could do it, without telling him it wouldn't work. He was pretty hot when he stopped by my vending area. The doorstop comment may have just been said in frustration. Idk.

Remaining OT a bit more........

So, the issue is the rockers hit the spark plug tubes for the second set of plugs.......
Aren't those extra spark plug tubes going to be there no matter what heads you use?

I edited to say "IIRC", because it's been a few years since I talked to him. I thought it was rocker clearance. What I do remember is the advice from Indy to dent the spark plug tube, and how angry he was about it.

C'mon man. Uline charges for new boxes and packing.

andy, you are spot on ! the company i worked for 42 1/2yrs. at was ISO certified. while the concept is sound, i'll bet 90% of certificates are like where i worked. do real good at first getting accredited, then at each audit thereafter, hide everything that doesn't meet requirements, then pay the re-certification fees. always an ISO qualified company one can trust ! NOT !! ISO is a JOKE, invented by, and for, people who just want to COLLECT money without LIFTING A FINGER to earn it ! no one will ever convince me differently ! with that said, however, i believe there are SOME companies out there that are truly ISO compliant that take the CONCEPT to heart, and are excellent companies to deal with. also many more that are NOT ISO companies that are WAY BETTER to deal with in ALL ways.

So true the last company I worked for was ISO certified. The VP of operations would get out the ISO manual 2 weeks before recert time. Half of the crap in the ISO manual they didn't follow so workers would than have to spend about a week updating paper work, etc to comply so they could pass...

I can tell you Toyota follows ISO and it's a big deal there. At least their logistics arm where I worked did. Always kaizen as they say.

I worked at Xerox for 10+ years and we were ISO certified. It meant something in some parts of the organization such as production areas but in other areas it was just a joke. So I've seen both sides of it. ISO is just a tool like any other tool. You can use a hammer to drive nails or break windows. Not really the tools fault if it gets misused.

They've been doing that for over 20 years. Worked at a tier 1 auto part supplier. They supplied painted parts to all manufacturers, but the Toyota stuff would get scrapped if there was a blemish 1mm big. Everything else was put on the floor, then the QC guy would step back 10' to see if you could still see the blemish. "good to go"

Latest rumor is that Indy's tooling is worn out and needs retooled to meet tolarences on machined blocks and heads.This would cost any new buyer millions as well as the current owners to move forward with quality production.This has not been confirmed from any reliable source.We personably was never told directly by Indy that they were being sold,just rumors here and from others.I have no dog in this fight but know the the shop still remains a WD for Indy products and has since 1998 and hopes to continue the successful relationship.I can only add that I wish both BGR and Indy much more success in the future.Let the speculation and rumors run rampant,some where the true facts will emerge.
Respectfully,Bob

Just think how far Indy could have gone if they treated their dealers and customers better. GREAT products but not so good service or quality control but I'm sure glad to have their products available. Where would we be without them???

Good point. Great BB heads.

I've always lusted for a set of -1s for a big block. They have engineered an amazing array of great parts. I just wish they could re engineer their attitudes.

Yep that's the bad part. I love my 440-1's and they will go back on a build one of these days. I have them flowing pretty good and will be upgrading them to a 2.225 valve when I get a chance to do some more porting on them but for now this engine will have B1 heads.

Latest rumor is that Indy's tooling is worn out and needs retooled to meet tolarences on machined blocks and heads.



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This is the sad part if true. If no one steps in and buys it and retools anything then will the current owners step up to retool the molds? I doubt it

Soo, about the tooling. I JUST purchased (2) Indy Maxx blocks in June. One a 4.500 Hemi, one a 4.375 wedge. 6 week delivery time, each had custom features, and they are dead nuts on. We now have 3 Indy blocks, and they are all I could ask for. Plus they are @ 1000$ less than the theoretical KB blocks. I also have an old KB water block that is a PITA. It leaks around the wet sleeves. It has nowhere near the meat that the Indy blocks have.

So I think if you want a block that works, call Todd, he gets the joy of dealing with them, and you get a block that works!

RIP

As stated we been an Indy WD since 1998 and build our engine programs based on Indy products exclusively.Whe have been one of Indy's strongest supporters /customers for all those years.With that being said,has everything we purchased spot on,no we have seen our share of issues with heads,blocks and other parts.What we can say is that Russ and the people at Indy have worked to resolve any issue that did come up.BGR under AJ still maintains a great working relationship with Indy and continues using their products.
Our post delt with "rumors" and "speculations" with hopes the truth would emerge and satisfy everyone questions.All due respect to Todd,he also supports KB even after all the concerns and money other people have delt with.I still stick with Indy for all their products.If you doubt any of my statements go back to the archives and read all our past posts,here on Moparts as well as many other sites.
Respectfully Bob

Bob, you more than anyone should be able to address these "rumors" since you have close to 20 years of hands on knowledge. With 3 blocks, I'm not in the same position. I DON'T think it is helpful spreading "rumors". They can only damage if inaccurate. Rumors are easy to start, impossible to erase once started. I personally don't appreciate being on the receiving end, and I don't think many others do either.

Returned respect,

RIP

Somebody that has been happy to work with them for 20 years spreads a rumor they should themselves be able to verify or shoot down? Say what?

That's some way to pay them back for decades of service to your biz. I for one hadn't heard this rumor until that post.

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