Page 1 of 16 1 2 3 15 16 >
Topic Options
#2336238 - 07/12/17 09:21 PM Hot Rod Drag Week 2017: The Experience.
MoparBilly Offline
master

Registered: 01/20/03
Posts: 4177
Loc: Phoenix, AZ
Originally Posted By MoparBilly
Originally Posted By fast68plymouth
Quote:
Several weeks later it would run 9.82-139.5 to justify our belief that the tune-up was just beginning to come around.


Was that before or after figuring out where all the metal in the oil was coming from?


When faced with metal in the oil, it has been my experience that continuing to run the engine aids greatly in making a proper diagnosis of the problem. Generally you are faced with two outcomes: The engine eventually stops putting metal in the oil, or the engine stops running. In either case, finding the suspect part becomes much easier!

Boone does 3 events a year religiously: Mopar Race at Mokan (March-April), Drag Week, Mopar Race at Tulsa Oct-Nov. After Drag Week, he drove the Ruster to Tulsa, and raced it on the bottle. In March he trailered it to MoKan, and ran it on the motor. When I arrived in Tulsa last week, they had the front end of the car apart, and were about to drop the pan for a look.



Originally Posted By JERICOGTX
Originally Posted By J_BODY
Take it the Duster is going to make it this year..... believe the 60 day counter has probably already started.



Looks like it has more parts on it this year then last, so why not???

And yes... less then 60 days until we leave, which means closer to 50 For Billy, and family to start Hell Week. I'm getting excited. Can't wait for it to get here, and see everyone again.


Since the natives are getting restless, and are more interested in talking about the road ahead than finishing up last years saga, I may as well relent, and start the next chapter.

My July 4th visit to Oklahoma was interesting. Even though our family is planning to return with vehicles we've taken before, we are still going to have our hands full at the last minute as always, Dale is juggling 4 or 5 projects right now, and is already putting off stuff that is going to bite us during hell week.

Last night he began re-assembly of the 572 (now 580) for the Gremlin.


Attachments
Dust1.jpg

Mbbuild.jpg

Dale7.jpg

Bil3.jpg


_________________________
"Livin' in a powder keg and givin' off sparks" 4 Street cars, 5 Race engines

Top
#2336247 - 07/12/17 09:37 PM Re: Hot Rod Drag Week 2017: The Experience. [Re: MoparBilly]
JERICOGTX Offline
master

Registered: 01/20/03
Posts: 7861
Loc: MN
Sorry Billy. I'll stay quiet...
_________________________
69 GTX 68 Road Runner

Top
#2336256 - 07/12/17 09:46 PM Re: Hot Rod Drag Week 2017: The Experience. [Re: MoparBilly]
MoparBilly Offline
master

Registered: 01/20/03
Posts: 4177
Loc: Phoenix, AZ
No, not at all Jeff. I LOVE input from everyone else, sometimes when I write six or seven posts in a row and no one comments I think I've lost the room!
_________________________
"Livin' in a powder keg and givin' off sparks" 4 Street cars, 5 Race engines

Top
#2336274 - 07/12/17 10:01 PM Re: Hot Rod Drag Week 2017: The Experience. [Re: MoparBilly]
MadMopars Offline
super stock

Registered: 01/20/03
Posts: 1041
Loc: Tucson AZ,
Originally Posted By MoparBilly
No, not at all Jeff. I LOVE input from everyone else, sometimes when I write six or seven posts in a row and no one comments I think I've lost the room!


Nonsense, we're all still listening. I certainly am... So thanks for sharing Billy! up popcorn

Top
#2336280 - 07/12/17 10:09 PM Re: Hot Rod Drag Week 2017: The Experience. [Re: MoparBilly]
Dart451 Offline
mopar

Registered: 01/14/04
Posts: 465
Loc: IL
Always reading your stuff, most my comments would be asking for next installment, so I stay quiet an read on beer

Top
#2336283 - 07/12/17 10:12 PM Re: Hot Rod Drag Week 2017: The Experience. [Re: MoparBilly]
JERICOGTX Offline
master

Registered: 01/20/03
Posts: 7861
Loc: MN
Well then Billy, for myself, since Monte passed I really now only look forward to your DW posts. When you write late at night, there is nothing better to start my work day by turning on my computer and reading the latest installments. After being very lucky to be able to live and experience DW with Joel, its great hearing what others go through during the week.
_________________________
69 GTX 68 Road Runner

Top
#2336329 - 07/12/17 11:46 PM Re: Hot Rod Drag Week 2017: The Experience. [Re: MoparBilly]
J_BODY Offline
I Live Here

Registered: 04/30/03
Posts: 11179
Loc: aZLiViN
....and I'm still curious Billy. Where do YOU draw the line. We've seen your brothers beat some of there big blocks into submission, or close to it. Where do you draw the line on your small block? How bad would you want to finish??

Top
#2336356 - 07/13/17 01:19 AM Re: Hot Rod Drag Week 2017: The Experience. [Re: J_BODY]
MoparBilly Offline
master

Registered: 01/20/03
Posts: 4177
Loc: Phoenix, AZ
Originally Posted By J_BODY
....and I'm still curious Billy. Where do YOU draw the line. We've seen your brothers beat some of there big blocks into submission, or close to it. Where do you draw the line on your small block? How bad would you want to finish??


Fair question, Jay.
My philosophy about engines has always been conservative. I know myself, and my expectations. Give me a well founded path to follow, with proven parts that provide reliability and durability. I absolutely hate valve train issues of any kind, so give me a tractor motor with plenty of piston speed at moderate rpms and I'm a happy man. Truth is, I'm much closer to a purple shaft, 906, TRW piston guy than a W-8, Gen III, Predator type.

The foundation of the Valiant combination is the X block, it's a really nice piece, and if I felt that I was risking damage to the block, I'd likely pull the plug. To deny our egos is folly however, and the Valiant is a perfect 5 for 5, with no DNFs, so I can't be sure until I'm faced with the situation.
_________________________
"Livin' in a powder keg and givin' off sparks" 4 Street cars, 5 Race engines

Top
#2336400 - 07/13/17 08:14 AM Re: Hot Rod Drag Week 2017: The Experience. [Re: MoparBilly]
Twostick Offline
master

Registered: 05/20/03
Posts: 4742
Loc: Downtown Roebuck Ont
The 440 from your Challenger notwithstanding? laugh2

Kevin

Top
#2336438 - 07/13/17 10:00 AM Re: Hot Rod Drag Week 2017: The Experience. [Re: Twostick]
moparx Offline
master

Registered: 09/03/03
Posts: 7994
Loc: north of coder
keep it coming billy ! i enjoy your sagas immensely, plus i learn things, so definitely continue on the path !
beer

Top
#2336525 - 07/13/17 01:33 PM Re: Hot Rod Drag Week 2017: The Experience. [Re: MoparBilly]
johnnycuda Offline
mopar

Registered: 03/19/08
Posts: 677
Loc: lancaster,california
I for one truly look forward to reading the Gephardt Chronicles of Drag Week.
I would really love to try DW once, I enjoyed the Drag Weekend, meet some good people, before it being replaced with the Zip-Tie Drags out here.
_________________________
1970 'Cuda,Lime Light,499 Indy S/R's 10.70's @125,street driven ALOT!
1966 Barracuda 360,now a 5spd,Hemi Orange,Hot Rod Air,
New daily driver-2003 Ram 2500 Cummins 5.9
2000 Dodge Ram,360 2wd.
New project-'69 Valiant 2-dr, budget sleeper!

Top
#2336568 - 07/13/17 02:56 PM Re: Hot Rod Drag Week 2017: The Experience. [Re: MoparBilly]
fast68plymouth Offline
I Live Here

Registered: 01/20/03
Posts: 10409
Loc: So. Burlington, Vt.
Okay.... Based on the pics, the motor has been pulled apart and cleaned up.

And the metal was coming from...???

I guess I didn't realize that motor was built with a good block.
_________________________
68 Plymouth Satellite, 383, stock 906's, 3550lbs, 11.18 @ 123, 1.51 60' PRH is a Comp Cams W/D......competitive pricing on entire line. Custom cams available. ** dealer for Indy Cylinder Heads **

Top
#2336714 - 07/13/17 09:39 PM Re: Hot Rod Drag Week 2017: The Experience. [Re: MoparBilly]
MoparBilly Offline
master

Registered: 01/20/03
Posts: 4177
Loc: Phoenix, AZ
Fast68,
The pics are the engine from the Gremlin.

The 511 in the Duster was built from parts I traded to Boone for the Barnyard Viper. 230 400 block, Program caps (3 middle ones, cross bolted), the home ported max wedge Indy SR heads from atoetly (Dale purchased his engine then sold the heads to me), a 440 source kit, and a Hughes flat tappet cam.
_________________________
"Livin' in a powder keg and givin' off sparks" 4 Street cars, 5 Race engines

Top
#2336734 - 07/13/17 10:21 PM Re: Hot Rod Drag Week 2017: The Experience. [Re: Twostick]
MoparBilly Offline
master

Registered: 01/20/03
Posts: 4177
Loc: Phoenix, AZ
Originally Posted By Twostick
The 440 from your Challenger notwithstanding? laugh2

Kevin


Actually Kevin, the two 440s that made most of the passes in the Challenger were perfect examples of how conservative I am.

The first one was a stock block (filled) with stock caps (main studs) and rods (good bolts), TRW 11.5 pistons, ported 915s, a Hughes hydraulic 555/570 lift cam, with an M1 and a dominator. It's best pass was 10.74-123 or so at 2950, sometimes in the heat of the summer it wouldn't run fast enough for SST. It really liked the bottle though, and so did I. 9.60's were so easy with my cheater plate...then Mike Gray sold me his O'Malley competition dominator to standard flange adapter with two sets of spray bars, one front to back, the other side to side.
He should have been ashamed of himself, it was like selling pure heroin to an addict. I blew up that poor 440 in two passes when I turned on the second system, but it went 9.23-142!

The second 440 started out as a straight up copy of an engine Chuck Senatore built in a magazine, I even ordered the Ross pistons and the Ultradyne flat tappet cam from Muscle Motors. The path got changed slightly because I picked up a set of aluminum main caps and BME rods, only 81 passes on each for dirt cheap. I also got a break on a set of NIB Edelbrock RPM heads which my machinist cleaned up the ports slightly, certainly not a port job (these are the heads currently on the 508 in the Barnyard Viper). That engine had the same Isky ductile rockers, intake and carb off the old 440. It lasted 800 passes, ran a best or 9.96 (usually 10.20s) and took me into the eights on both systems, but it was a basic, no frills 440.
_________________________
"Livin' in a powder keg and givin' off sparks" 4 Street cars, 5 Race engines

Top
#2336811 - 07/14/17 06:15 AM Re: Hot Rod Drag Week 2017: The Experience. [Re: MoparBilly]
JERICOGTX Offline
master

Registered: 01/20/03
Posts: 7861
Loc: MN
I'm curious Billy, how many Gebhart cars have been to Drag Week? How many times have you gone?

I know you said the Valiant is 5 for 5. Have you ran another car?

The Belvedere

Dales Gremlin

The Ruster Duster

The Barnyard Viper

The Dakota

The Charger has made it to the St.Louis Tech line. Any others?
_________________________
69 GTX 68 Road Runner

Top
#2336852 - 07/14/17 09:35 AM Re: Hot Rod Drag Week 2017: The Experience. [Re: MoparBilly]
MoparBilly Offline
master

Registered: 01/20/03
Posts: 4177
Loc: Phoenix, AZ
Drag Week 2006 was our first, Boone took a 78 Dodge 1/2 ton short bed with a 493, and I was his co-pilot. We split the expenses of the trip while Dad and Darren followed the route in a PT Cruiser.

We finished 3rd in the 12.0 Daily Driver class with a 12.0023 average. Among the guys we beat in that class that year were, Tom Taylor, Vince Rasch, Ross Dudley, Radar Watkins, Steve Atwell, and Troy Scott. Tara Fling, who now helps Tonya with the time slips, whacked Boone on the tree in the first round of a four car bracket race.

We were a bit put off by how the return group from 2005 were being coddled, and congratulating themselves all week, that combined with the distance to the starting tracks, and the fact that Dale, Dad, and I were still actively racing NHRA Super Street kept us away until 2011 started in Topeka.

Boone traded the 493 out of the 1/2 ton, and an enclosed car trailer for the Belvedere.

The Belvedere is 5 for 6, Boone drove it to a 12.01-107 average in 2011, then I traded him out of it in July of 2012 in a three car deal including money and parts to revive the Barnyard Viper. Rachael has driven it for the last five events, with a DNF on Day 1 in 2013 due to a clutch pack issue in the 727.

66 Plymouth Satellite Dale drove this car to a 12.72-107 average in 2011 to complete his first Drag Week. I ended up with the car, and took it in 2013, where it averaged 12.28-108. I sold it in 2014.

Darren's 73 Charger is officially 0 for 3 on Drag Week, but it's really 0 for 4, if you factor in last year. He says it's coming in 2017, but he didn't get pre-registered, so we will see.


Attachments
Copy of DragWeek 051.jpg

100_0900 - Copy.jpg

SAM_1637 - Copy.JPG


_________________________
"Livin' in a powder keg and givin' off sparks" 4 Street cars, 5 Race engines

Top
#2337656 - 07/16/17 12:18 AM Re: Hot Rod Drag Week 2017: The Experience. [Re: MoparBilly]
MoparBilly Offline
master

Registered: 01/20/03
Posts: 4177
Loc: Phoenix, AZ
Ok,
The boys dropped the pan on the Duster engine today, and all the rod bearings looked good, but they spotted what appear to be chips missing in the noses of several lobes on the flat tappet cam? What do you think now Fast68?


Attachments
g3efXAzL-1337101221.jpg


_________________________
"Livin' in a powder keg and givin' off sparks" 4 Street cars, 5 Race engines

Top
#2337693 - 07/16/17 07:44 AM Re: Hot Rod Drag Week 2017: The Experience. [Re: MoparBilly]
Bad340fish Offline
master

Registered: 01/20/03
Posts: 5371
Loc: Tulsa OK
Interesting, if it wasn't so close to the nose I would wonder if the lifter was coming off the cam on the downside and bouncing. I have seen some data of that happening but its all on roller cams and its never that close to the nose. The cam in my 360 has visual evidence of where that happens but you can't feel it only see it, that was after drag week 1 so I just used it for 3 more haha.
_________________________
68 Barracuda Formula S 340

Top
#2337793 - 07/16/17 12:37 PM Re: Hot Rod Drag Week 2017: The Experience. [Re: MoparBilly]
Cab_Burge Offline
Too Many Posts

Registered: 08/23/03
Posts: 29727
Loc: Bend,OR USA
The lobe circled looks a lot worst than the other one next to it as far as lifter contact across the nose work
Any chance they may have nicked it up installing it?
_________________________
Mr.Cab Racing and winning with Mopars since 1964. (Old F--t, Huh)

Top
#2338860 - 07/18/17 12:40 AM Re: Hot Rod Drag Week 2017: The Experience. [Re: MoparBilly]
fast68plymouth Offline
I Live Here

Registered: 01/20/03
Posts: 10409
Loc: So. Burlington, Vt.
Hard to tell anything conclusive from a pic on the net, but what it looks like to me are little "dents" that got smoothed over from the lifter sliding over it. Could be pits too I suppose.
If it's pitting, that's usually from high spring loads and a small nose radius on the cam.

It just seems to me like there was more metal in the oil than what I'd expect from just that.
Unless all the lobes are like that, with similar wear on the lifters.

But it is what it is........if that's all you find, then obviously thats where it came from.

It might just be the lighting or something, but the edge of the lobe on the other side of the rod looks worse to me.

What do I think?
Well.....how about putting a mild roller in it?

I know that won't happen.......just throwing it out there wink

_________________________
68 Plymouth Satellite, 383, stock 906's, 3550lbs, 11.18 @ 123, 1.51 60' PRH is a Comp Cams W/D......competitive pricing on entire line. Custom cams available. ** dealer for Indy Cylinder Heads **

Top
Page 1 of 16 1 2 3 15 16 >

Advertisement
Sponsored Link
Forum Stats
25,002 Registered Members
32 Forums
185,335 Topics
2,147,420 Posts

Most users ever online: 882 @ 03/05/17 10:15 PM
Moparts Newest Topics
Women took her dogs for a walk and got killed by them...Sad
by QuickBpBp
12/15/17 10:45 PM
What's the latest PC home computer tech? Looking to upgrade
by A12
12/15/17 10:41 PM
2015 SRT 6.4 six speed challenger Boost or NA ????
by voigtspeed
12/15/17 10:27 PM
Air and MPH
by ozymaxwedge
12/15/17 09:29 PM