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What input shaft mods req'd to mate 833 to 6.1L?
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12/21/16 06:16 PM
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I know that I'll have to cut the input shaft to get adequate depth clearance. My real questions pertain to roller bearings vs bushings. I'm leery of using a roller bearing. Is there any way to use a bronze bushing?
Also, I will be using a factory built 6.1L short block out of a 2009 Challenger that was originally equipped with a TR6060 6 speed manual trans. Does anyone know what the 6 speed equipped 6.1L would have had for a bushing? Any idea if I will just be able to use the existing bushing?
1970 Barracuda B5 6.1 Hemi/6 speed 1969 Charger survivor in R6 383/727-wrecked 12/24/18 1968 Charger in original burgundy paint "Ribeye" 1968 Charger w/ 6.1L, TR-6060, 9" 1968 Roadrunner w/ 6.1L/6 speed 2011 Dodge Ram w/ 6.7L
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Re: What input shaft mods req'd to mate 833 to 6.1L?
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12/27/16 05:10 AM
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Hate to burst your assumption bubble, but here is a picture of the Sachs clutch kit for a 2009 6.1 manual transmission challenger. Pay attention to THE ROLLER PILOT BEARING. http://www.rockauto.com/en/moreinfo.php?pk=4302981&cc=1443323&jsn=468It looks exactly like the standard one that Dodge has used for nearly 20 years. Will the input shaft need to be modified? Another assumption. Where did that come from? What your question really points out is that there is no good reference material. It is really too bad that Chrysler hasn't been much more forthcoming with the information to make this a slam dunk swap. They should read and reread the famous Zora Arkus-Duntov letter to GM brass that laid the groundwork for the smallblock chevy's wdespread acceptance as the engine to use in a swap or hot rod. If you really want a pilot bushing, use the steel spacer from the roller bearing and machine the bushing out of Oilite. R.
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Re: What input shaft mods req'd to mate 833 to 6.1L?
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12/27/16 02:23 PM
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Im using a stock roller bearing with my T56. Pretty sure you could mock up the trans and bellhousing on the engine and check fitment 100% before you made any changes.
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Re: What input shaft mods req'd to mate 833 to 6.1L?
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12/28/16 09:00 PM
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Will the input shaft need to be modified? Another assumption. Where did that come from? Is that question such a stretch? Some non-stick Gen 3 crank flanges I've seen have the same shallow drilling as the late cast B and RB cranks with insufficient depth for an 833 pilot shaft.
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Re: What input shaft mods req'd to mate 833 to 6.1L?
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12/28/16 10:24 PM
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Alex on here has an 833 behind the 6.1 in his Roadrunner, don't remember any issues and I also believe he is using a stock bell.
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Re: What input shaft mods req'd to mate 833 to 6.1L?
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12/29/16 12:16 AM
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I have had my 833 behind my gen 3 for years I had to trim the input shaft either 3/4 or 7/8 of an inch This was using a small block mopar bellhousing I also used a 90s model Dakota 318/360 truck pilot bearing
The bearing fits in the crank fine
I believe there is now a bellhousing made that allows use of the 833 without the trimming
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