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Losing my Mind, 340 Six pack wont pull #2324966
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Been Fighting it since i got the car running. Every time i go to get on it the car will simply cut out and wont pull anything past 3100rpm. Pulls fine till then but after that it hits a wall. I want to make it work and not just toss a 4 barrel on it.
Heres what i have done already,
New ECU
New Dist pick up
New Ballast resistor
Timing at 10 Deg and no vacuum advance total timing at 36
All carbs have been gone through fully
Changed out secondary springs to differnt colors light to heavy springs and still the same
Car Has new valve springs, cam and lifter
14-15 vacuum at idle
63 main jets and stock secondarys.
Idles and free revs great. no hesitiation.
new fuel filter.
Plugs are RN9YC @ .040 gap

Insight would be apprecated to who ever has owned one of these animals.


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Re: Losing my Mind, 340 Six pack wont pull [Re: Scat] #2324982
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What is the psi of the fuel pump? Are you positive the secondaries are opening?


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Re: Losing my Mind, 340 Six pack wont pull [Re: Scat] #2324993
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The one aspect of trying it with a 4bbl is.......it will help point you where to look for the problem.

If the 4bbl fixes it, it's a carb problem.......and visa-versa.


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Re: Losing my Mind, 340 Six pack wont pull [Re: amxautox] #2325005
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6psi and yes they are opening. Set a gopro under the hood to verify.


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Re: Losing my Mind, 340 Six pack wont pull [Re: Scat] #2325035
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Wire the secondaries closed and see what happens.


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Re: Losing my Mind, 340 Six pack wont pull [Re: fast68plymouth] #2325043
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Are the carbs original or repros? The reproduction carbs have the little things that the original carbs had wrong ironed out.

Re: Losing my Mind, 340 Six pack wont pull [Re: fast68plymouth] #2325081
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Originally Posted By fast68plymouth
Wire the secondaries closed and see what happens.


That will not work out very well. If you want no secondary opening then disconnect the vacuum lines to the outboards.

Re: Losing my Mind, 340 Six pack wont pull [Re: Scat] #2325088
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1.Have you set the fuel level corekt in the carbs ?
2. I would try to open the outer carbs whit engine on idel on the center carb and see if the engine responce like it should on those carbs to verify that they give the engine fuel.

I have not done any work on the sb 6-pack but on the bb they like larger main jets for preformance like 66-68.

It shore sounds like the outer carbs dont deliver fuel to the engine so are they assembeld corekt whit the corekt gaskets for the jet plates so the fuel holes aint plugd !?

Jerry Binder wrote a realy good articel that explain alot on the 6-pack carbs that i can email you if you like !?

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Re: Losing my Mind, 340 Six pack wont pull [Re: Scat] #2325096
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I don't see new fuel pump on your list. whistling

You could be plugged off at the tank too with this crap they call "fuel" these days. Could be load of poo in there blocking your fuel lines.


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Re: Losing my Mind, 340 Six pack wont pull [Re: Grizzly] #2325132
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I ran into that years ago. I worked at a garage and a local guy had a Ramcharger that he put a 440 in. He had the machine shop build the engine and he put it in. It done the exact same thing. Sounded good at idle and would rev like crazy. He changed everything atleast 2 times and finally give up. I pulled the timing cover and the timing chain was off 2 teeth. I lined it up and it would pull to 6000rpm no problem. Before it would go to 3000 and stop. Even holding it to the floor it would set at 3000 all day long.

Re: Losing my Mind, 340 Six pack wont pull [Re: Grizzly] #2325133
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(1) I'd T into the fuel line & see what psi you have "at speed" when it acts up. (2) Will it rev up normal like you want it to in your driveway? on the second suggestion, the fuel requirement wouldn't be the same cuz of the minimal load but you should be able to load it ign wise pretty good by gunning it to pin it to ign or fuel. keep us posted. & when it acts up does it spit & sputter or wont go any higher but is smooth or something else?


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Re: Losing my Mind, 340 Six pack wont pull [Re: Scat] #2325145
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Robert's questions are good even though it seems like you may have answered them.
Is 6 psi at WOT all the way to 3100 in 3rd or 4 gear?
Fuel consumption under load is much higher than in N. I'd expect 3-5 psi down the track. That would indicate the fuel inlet valves are open. Your description sounds like it won't go past 3100 in 1st or 2nd. How about on the highway (Interstate)? Will it go to 3200-3300 cruising at 70-75 mph or whatever your gearing works to?

Honestly, if its just hitting like a wall like a rev limiter then I would not suspect fuel. I've made it through the lights with fuel pressure at zero (there was enough in the bowls to just make it although it sure wasn't best time) and I've run on 2 barrels (out of 4) to 6000 rpm in 3rd on the dyno. It reduces acceleration but doesn't kill it or even close.

Re: Losing my Mind, 340 Six pack wont pull [Re: Scat] #2325181
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See if i can reply to everything asked.

All new fuel lines, tank and sending unit.

we put the secondarys to direct vacuum and reved it, the secondarys are working and dumping fuel.

The carb rebuild kits came from quick fuel.

going 75 in 4th is got nothing left in it. it just falls on ots face.

Ill see about fuel psi under load and see what happens.


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Re: Losing my Mind, 340 Six pack wont pull [Re: Scat] #2325217
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I had that problem on a customers car...Took me a couple of days to find out that the rubber hose back by the gas tank was closing up under load..

Re: Losing my Mind, 340 Six pack wont pull [Re: Scat] #2325253
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If it's not fuel then it's a volumetric efficiency issue.
Try this: Bring engine to operating temp. Place vacuum gauge to read manifold vacuum. Record vacuum reading at idle in park or neutral. Bring engine rpm up to 2500, hold, read vacuum gauge.
Is the vacuum reading at 2500rpm the same or higher than the reading at idle? It should be same or higher.

If it's lower at 2500 rpm then it's a breathing problem.
#1 Cam timing is incorrect. Remove valve cover, bring engine to TDC on exhaust stroke (360* from TDC compression stroke) using piston stop. Don't rely on dampner markings or timing chain markings.
Inspect intake and exhaust rocker action as you rotate engine back and forth no more than 10*. Are both valves being activated? Exhaust closing and intake opening? If only one valve is moving then cam timing is off by at least one tooth.
#2 If cam timing is correct then a collapsed muffler or double walled exhaust pipe is restricting airflow.

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So this is basically cruising. Yes?
The motor is at 3100, car going 75 mph in 4th.
So a test to determine if it is rpm related is to take it 70 or 75 mph in 3rd. That you could still safely do on a public road.

Testing fuel pressure while driving takes a little bit of effort to arrange a visible gage safely. Lots of option but take your time on doing that right. Cost of an error is too high.

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When I've needed to check fuel pressure at wot on the road, I just tape a small mechanical gauge to the windshield right where I can easily see it.

Although there was talk of a go-pro....... So I guess the gauge could be anywhere the camera could get a good look at it.


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Re: Losing my Mind, 340 Six pack wont pull [Re: Scat] #2325315
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Sounds like fuel, it comes right back after the rpm decreases below the problem rpm? Have you check rotor phasing? Msd has a good video on it. Mine was just like the before video! DOH! Also check the burn pattern on the distributor terminals. Is it in the right spot? I chased this for a good bit of time!

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Vibration dampener all in order? Possibly running extremely retarded if timing mark on dampener has shifted, causing ignition timing setting inaccurate.

Even with secondary carbs disabled, should get at least 5 grand on center carb alone.

What does your vacuum gauge read at wide open throttle at 3000 rpm. What does it read at idle?

What is voltage at positive coil wire post. Should be st 12 volts unless thru ballast resistor., then 8 plus volts.

No huge vacuum leaks such as power brake or pcv disconnected. Unlikely to cause this,,,never know.

Excessively weak valve springs. Forget if this has been checked.

I also like valve timing suggestions.

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Originally Posted By Moparteacher
If it's not fuel then it's a volumetric efficiency issue.
Try this: Bring engine to operating temp. Place vacuum gauge to read manifold vacuum. Record vacuum reading at idle in park or neutral. Bring engine rpm up to 2500, hold, read vacuum gauge.
Is the vacuum reading at 2500rpm the same or higher than the reading at idle? It should be same or higher.

If it's lower at 2500 rpm then it's a breathing problem.
#1 Cam timing is incorrect. Remove valve cover, bring engine to TDC on exhaust stroke (360* from TDC compression stroke) using piston stop. Don't rely on dampner markings or timing chain markings.
Inspect intake and exhaust rocker action as you rotate engine back and forth no more than 10*. Are both valves being activated? Exhaust closing and intake opening?


Just did the vacuum test and in fact it is losing its vacuum as it revs. Did a quick comp test and 80psi all around. Gonna let it cool off then pull the cover yet tonight


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