Re: Dremel bit for aluminum?
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Blaster works even better than atf. Chalk also works wonders if you want to do it dry.
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Re: Dremel bit for aluminum?
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blaster as in PB blaster? I too have one of those discounted housings & I'm for sure gonna hog it out/keep tabs on flow/temp to see if I got a smokin deal or not. EDIT been awhile since I eyeballed it but this thread reminded me that I was maybe gonna open an access hole in the side to get in there then cap it with an NPT plug.
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Re: Dremel bit for aluminum?
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I have heard nothing but bad things about those "too small port" 440 Source housings, I would NOT use it even after opening it up... what have you heard? Funny how things get twisted around... 440Source tried to clone the Mopar Performance water pump housing, unfortunately in their development tooling/sourcing process nobody checked the internal passages' dimensions.... And the China factory went into full mass production, and 440Source received a full shipment of water pump houisings, once sales started the negative reports started pouring in the Mopar engines were overheating.. Next 440Source was well aware of the problem and gradually modified the tooling by enlarging the internal passages. Unfortunately 440Source was stuck with a pile of the original defective products... Just my $0.02..
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Re: Dremel bit for aluminum?
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blaster as in PB blaster? Yep, PB Blaster. I used to use it way back when on aluminum heads. Hopefully whatever comes in the spray cans hasn't changed too much in the last 45 to 50 years. Actually hadn't realized how long ago it was that I was working in New Paris. You might call that the good old days, or not.....
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Re: Dremel bit for aluminum?
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What is a good dremel bit to use for this? The 2 stones i have clog up with aluminum real quickly.. 1. Don't use stones on aluminum. Use carbide burrs. 2. A Dremel will take forever and I doubt that you can reach in far enough with any bit that will fit in a dremel. Borrow or buy a die grinder that accepts 1/4" shank bits. Either pneumatic or electric. You can get a cheap one at Harbor Frieght that will work. 3. Several posts have already mentioned what to use on the bits to keep them from loading up with aluminum. Pick one. They all help. 4. Don't use stones on aluminum. 5. Whoever you talked to at 440source is an idiot for suggesting that you could fix this with a dremel. 6. Did I mention, Don't use stones on aluminum.
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Re: Dremel bit for aluminum?
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blaster as in PB blaster? Yep, PB Blaster. I used to use it way back when on aluminum heads. Hopefully whatever comes in the spray cans hasn't changed too much in the last 45 to 50 years. Actually hadn't realized how long ago it was that I was working in New Paris. You might call that the good old days, or not..... I buy it by now the gallon with a coupon from advance auto and add a little transmission fluid to it
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Re: Dremel bit for aluminum?
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What is a good dremel bit to use for this? The 2 stones i have clog up with aluminum real quickly.. 1. Don't use stones on aluminum. Use carbide burrs. 2. A Dremel will take forever and I doubt that you can reach in far enough with any bit that will fit in a dremel. Borrow or buy a die grinder that accepts 1/4" shank bits. Either pneumatic or electric. You can get a cheap one at Harbor Frieght that will work. 3. Several posts have already mentioned what to use on the bits to keep them from loading up with aluminum. Pick one. They all help. 4. Don't use stones on aluminum. 5. Whoever you talked to at 440source is an idiot for suggesting that you could fix this with a dremel. 6. Did I mention, Don't use stones on aluminum. DON"T use stones on aluminum ! this can't be emphasized enough ! i agree on all the above points.
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Re: Dremel bit for aluminum?
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If you look at a carbide burr for steel it has a crosscut cutter pattern. If you look at a carbide burr for aluminum it has a single cutter pattern. That's intended to keep the burr from clogging with aluminum. As to using stones? All of the comments are spot on, don't even try.
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Re: Dremel bit for aluminum?
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If you look at a carbide burr for steel it has a crosscut cutter pattern. If you look at a carbide burr for aluminum it has a single cutter pattern. That's intended to keep the burr from clogging with aluminum. As to using stones? All of the comments are spot on, don't even try. I should have pointed out the difference between single cut and double cut burrs. Single cut will cut faster and clog less in aluminum but it also makes long very sharp slivers that can ruin your day. Please at least wear good eye protection with either type of cutter. If you have to go to the emergency room with metal in your eye they will show you their grinder. Real close up!
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Re: Dremel bit for aluminum?
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my 440source blem. I pulled it out & checked it & I'm definitely going to have to go in from the side. the block openings are 1&1/8" & these ain't even close to that, one is restricted & the other is real restricted.
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Re: Dremel bit for aluminum?
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Technically the goal is, it should not have less combined CSA then the smallest CSA of the fluid path, and that would for arguments sake, say the radiator hoses or Thermostat? There is no real HP to be found here, just control of temp, correct?
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Re: Dremel bit for aluminum?
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I should have pointed out the difference between single cut and double cut burrs. Single cut will cut faster and clog less in aluminum but it also makes long very sharp slivers that can ruin your day. Please at least wear good eye protection with either type of cutter. If you have to go to the emergency room with metal in your eye they will show you their grinder. Real close up! To follow up on this thought, an old steam turbine blader who worked with grinding burrs all the time taught me the metal you need the most protection from is stainless steel. If you get a sliver from carbon steel, it will fester and eventually come out. Stainless steel will not. It will be there until you dig it out. Eye protection, long sleeves, and gloves are your friends.
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Re: Dremel bit for aluminum?
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who sells dremel bits single, not in sets? I need to figure out what bit and find it. Anyone got a picture of this carbide bur that I will be looking for?
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Re: Dremel bit for aluminum?
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if i'm not mistaken, most dremel tools use a 1/8" shank tool. therein is the problem. while ok for light use, if you need to go deep, or remove a lot of material, the 1/8" shank will have a ton of deflection if extended out to go deep, and will more than likely break due to bending and the forces needed to remove a bunch of material no matter what bit is used. you seriously need to consider a 1/4" shank tool. if, by some chance, your dremel has a 1/4" shank, disregard this comment.
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Re: Dremel bit for aluminum?
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if i'm not mistaken, most dremel tools use a 1/8" shank tool. therein is the problem. while ok for light use, if you need to go deep, or remove a lot of material, the 1/8" shank will have a ton of deflection if extended out to go deep, and will more than likely break due to bending and the forces needed to remove a bunch of material no matter what bit is used. you seriously need to consider a 1/4" shank tool. if, by some chance, your dremel has a 1/4" shank, disregard this comment. what other kind of tool would work that is small enough to get in there though?
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Re: Dremel bit for aluminum?
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You guys kill me when you state that a cross-cut burr will clog to fast. For the new-be grinder a double-cut burr is 10 times more forgiving as they won't jump around. slow your burr down and use the items listed above to cool your burr. I probably do about 80% of my aluminum porting with a long shank (6 inch) double cut burr and when finished with my own stuff don't even need a sanding roll to finish the job. Customers like shinny so they get the sanding roll treatment.
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Re: Dremel bit for aluminum?
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pitts, are you using any particular brand of burr? I have found the cross cut ones to be too slow for anything but finish work. Maybe the cheapo ones I have been using are just crap? I use the heck out of this one from Summit. Its not the best place to get burrs but I usually place 2-3 orders a week so its convenient. I keep a plastic dish with a mixture of WD40 and transmission fluid and dip often. And I know its listed for cast iron but trust me keep it dipped and you will love it. Go slow because if you go like a wildman it will bend. They also offer a shorter one that is easier to handle. https://www.summitracing.com/parts/sum-900643
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Re: Dremel bit for aluminum?
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Customers like shinny so they get the sanding roll treatment. And I say....... Give the people what they want!! (Off topic gratuitous porting pic)
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Re: Dremel bit for aluminum?update on 440 Souce housings
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Parafin wax works great also I bought one of 440 Source BB polished water pump housing, it looks better than the OEM Nopar aluminum housing I have here on the shelf Me thinks Brandon got the word to his vendors to fix the problems that his customers gave back to him
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Re: Dremel bit for aluminum?
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Customers like shinny so they get the sanding roll treatment. And I say....... Give the people what they want!! (Off topic gratuitous porting pic) Sh!t, that ain't shiny! If I can't shave in the reflection, it ain't shiny! Back on topic... I use Eastwood Grinder's Grease w/ single- & double-cut burs on aluminum. You spin the bit in the stuff (it's like a tube of wax) and it fills the gaps between the teeth so they don't get clogged with aluminum. Periodically you clean it w/ a wire brush and re-treat it. Grinder's Grease does NOT grind quite as smoothly as the Mondello porting lube that I dip my aluminum-type cutters into. However, it does a better job of resisting the clogging issue when using ferrous-type bits used on softer metals. I think Jeg's and/or Summit now carries Eastwood stuff, so you don't have to order direct from Eastwood (and may be able to include it in a large enough order from "The Big Guys" to get free shipping). I bought my tube from Eastwood YEARS AGO, and it's going to need to be replaced at some point in the near future.
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Re: Dremel bit for aluminum?
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what about this set? burrs I hate to see people waste their money or spend their money but a 1/8 inch dremel tool is not the right tool for this job.
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Re: Dremel bit for aluminum?
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Those are wood carving bits. The ad claims...... Usage: for materials such as wood; plastic; soft metal as aluminum... They would probably last long enough to open up that w/p housing.
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Re: Dremel bit for aluminum?
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pitts, are you using any particular brand of burr? I have found the cross cut ones to be too slow for anything but finish work. Maybe the cheapo ones I have been using are just crap? I use the heck out of this one from Summit. Its not the best place to get burrs but I usually place 2-3 orders a week so its convenient. I keep a plastic dish with a mixture of WD40 and transmission fluid and dip often. And I know its listed for cast iron but trust me keep it dipped and you will love it. Go slow because if you go like a wildman it will bend. They also offer a shorter one that is easier to handle. https://www.summitracing.com/parts/sum-900643 I'm going to give that a try again on my next aluminum job. I think my problem is I'm not dipping enough and letting the bit run dry.
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