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Re: Roadrunner day two street racer ideas. [Re: nz383man] #2325080
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I would use that in a heartbeat up
Have fun degreeing the cam whistling grin

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Re: Roadrunner day two street racer ideas. [Re: Cab_Burge] #2325093
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Originally Posted By Cab_Burge
I would use that in a heartbeat up
Have fun degreeing the cam whistling grin


I was hoping someone would say that!

I'll use a Ramchargers one on my Hemi & this Dovovan one in the Runner, both were made by Donovan & they still make replacement part which fit both!

Re: Roadrunner day two street racer ideas. [Re: nz383man] #2325151
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circa '78. Brand new fenders from the dealer $77 each !! 383, 12.5:1, tunnel ram w/2 600's





Are those fiberglass genders from the dealer?


Nope, genuine Mopar stamped steel. Still have the bill somewhere.

Re: Roadrunner day two street racer ideas. [Re: nz383man] #2325152
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Have fun degreeing the cam


LOL !! I had one and was bound and determined to use it ... till I tried degreeing the cam. I'm no quitter but I finally threw in the towel on that one and sold the unit. If they'd make the idler gear the same size as the crank gear it wouldn't be a problem but they're not. And the marks are on the three gears, not just the crank and cam. So when you turn the motor over you loose all reference. That seemed to be my problem anyway.

But I don't think a gear drive was a "day 2" mod in anyone's budget unless you had a pro stocker.

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Originally Posted By Stanton
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Have fun degreeing the cam


LOL !! I had one and was bound and determined to use it ... till I tried degreeing the cam. I'm no quitter but I finally threw in the towel on that one and sold the unit. If they'd make the idler gear the same size as the crank gear it wouldn't be a problem but they're not. And the marks are on the three gears, not just the crank and cam. So when you turn the motor over you loose all reference. That seemed to be my problem anyway.

But I don't think a gear drive was a "day 2" mod in anyone's budget unless you had a pro stocker.


But the gear drive whine when cruising, you'd have been the coolest day 2 guy out there back in the day!

Re: Roadrunner day two street racer ideas. [Re: grancuda] #2325169
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Originally Posted By grancuda
Make sure you stick some white lights w/toggle on the dash mounted down on the back of the traction bars or hook a toggle to the reverse lights so you can cruise with them on meaning you are looking for a race.




Never heard that before. We always just stopped at McDonalds till they asked us to leave. Must have been because we did't buy any food. LOL


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Re: Roadrunner day two street racer ideas. [Re: Stanton] #2325250
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Originally Posted By Stanton
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Have fun degreeing the cam


LOL !! I had one and was bound and determined to use it ... till I tried degreeing the cam. I'm no quitter but I finally threw in the towel on that one and sold the unit. If they'd make the idler gear the same size as the crank gear it wouldn't be a problem but they're not. And the marks are on the three gears, not just the crank and cam. So when you turn the motor over you loose all reference. That seemed to be my problem anyway.


I've installed and use Donovans, Milidons and Keith Black gear drives on 426 hemi and B and RB wedge motors with instructions and by memory. Start with the cam dowel placed around 4 o clock by looking at the front of the motor and go from there. If the lifters are close to being even heights in the lifter bores your close thumbs scope
Once I have it where I want the intake lobe center I mark all three gears with matching mark with a drimel tool thumbs


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Re: Roadrunner day two street racer ideas. [Re: rowin4] #2325293
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Originally Posted By rowin4
Originally Posted By grancuda
Make sure you stick some white lights w/toggle on the dash mounted down on the back of the traction bars or hook a toggle to the reverse lights so you can cruise with them on meaning you are looking for a race.




Never heard that before. We always just stopped at McDonalds till they asked us to leave. Must have been because we did't buy any food. LOL

Most cars rode around with the reverse lights on because you usually couldn't reuse the back drive linkage from the column with an aftermarket shifter. The column collar was left in the reverse position so that you could turn the key to lock and get the key out. When we saw a car go by with the reverse lights on, we'd say "there goes another Hurst shifter"

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Re: Roadrunner day two street racer ideas. [Re: Cab_Burge] #2325311
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Originally Posted By Cab_Burge
Originally Posted By Stanton
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Have fun degreeing the cam


LOL !! I had one and was bound and determined to use it ... till I tried degreeing the cam. I'm no quitter but I finally threw in the towel on that one and sold the unit. If they'd make the idler gear the same size as the crank gear it wouldn't be a problem but they're not. And the marks are on the three gears, not just the crank and cam. So when you turn the motor over you loose all reference. That seemed to be my problem anyway.


I've installed and use Donovans, Milidons and Keith Black gear drives on 426 hemi and B and RB wedge motors with instructions and by memory. Start with the cam dowel placed around 4 o clock by looking at the front of the motor and go from there. If the lifters are close to being even heights in the lifter bores your close thumbs scope
Once I have it where I want the intake lobe center I mark all three gears with matching mark with a drimel tool thumbs


I guess I need to get back onto Donovan for a set of instructions as I want to run these on two of my cars, if it has been done many times before it must be possible with the right information & a whole bunch of patience I would imagine.

Re: Roadrunner day two street racer ideas. [Re: nz383man] #2325494
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I have a set of M/T if you are interested?

Re: Roadrunner day two street racer ideas. [Re: nz383man] #2325495
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Quote:
Originally Posted By Cab_Burge
Originally Posted By Stanton
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Have fun degreeing the cam


LOL !! I had one and was bound and determined to use it ... till I tried degreeing the cam. I'm no quitter but I finally threw in the towel on that one and sold the unit. If they'd make the idler gear the same size as the crank gear it wouldn't be a problem but they're not. And the marks are on the three gears, not just the crank and cam. So when you turn the motor over you loose all reference. That seemed to be my problem anyway.


I've installed and use Donovans, Milidons and Keith Black gear drives on 426 hemi and B and RB wedge motors with instructions and by memory. Start with the cam dowel placed around 4 o clock by looking at the front of the motor and go from there. If the lifters are close to being even heights in the lifter bores your close thumbs scope
Once I have it where I want the intake lobe center I mark all three gears with matching mark with a drimel tool thumbs


I guess I need to get back onto Donovan for a set of instructions as I want to run these on two of my cars, if it has been done many times before it must be possible with the right information & a whole bunch of patience I would imagine.


In Hindsight, I would mark the cam and crank gears and forget about the idler gear even being there. That's what was throwing me off. And I had no instructions for the set I had.

Re: Roadrunner day two street racer ideas. [Re: DaytonaTurbo] #2325583
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Originally Posted By DaytonaTurbo
Originally Posted By Stanton
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Have fun degreeing the cam


LOL !! I had one and was bound and determined to use it ... till I tried degreeing the cam. I'm no quitter but I finally threw in the towel on that one and sold the unit. If they'd make the idler gear the same size as the crank gear it wouldn't be a problem but they're not. And the marks are on the three gears, not just the crank and cam. So when you turn the motor over you loose all reference. That seemed to be my problem anyway.

But I don't think a gear drive was a "day 2" mod in anyone's budget unless you had a pro stocker.


But the gear drive whine when cruising, you'd have been the coolest day 2 guy out there back in the day!


I like the way you think!

As it happens I do have a Don Carlton Pro Stock Hemi in my Duster with a Ramchargers (by Donovan) gear drive so why not have one in the "day 2" car as well!

Re: Roadrunner day two street racer ideas. [Re: nz383man] #2325584
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Is that Hemi motor one of the destroked 396 C.I old Pro stock motors?
if so do you race it and if so where do you shift that motor at?


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Re: Roadrunner day two street racer ideas. [Re: Cab_Burge] #2325608
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Originally Posted By Cab_Burge
Is that Hemi motor one of the destroked 396 C.I old Pro stock motors?
if so do you race it and if so where do you shift that motor at?


No it has a "cheater" 484 Kellog crank & I haven't run it yet.


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Originally Posted By Cab_Burge
I would use that in a heartbeat up
Have fun degreeing the cam whistling grin


Degreeing cams is easy.
Put cam in, and find intake lobe max lift (Centerline.)
Lock cam in position, or at least mark the cam gear to block position.
Install degree wheel, find TDC, and zero degree wheel.
Rotate crank so degree wheel reads the installed centerline you want.
Install timing chain or idler gear without moving cam or crank position.
Done.

Re: Roadrunner day two street racer ideas. [Re: nz383man] #2325788
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As it happens I do have a Don Carlton Pro Stock Hemi in my Duster with a Ramchargers (by Donovan) gear drive so why not have one in the "day 2" car as well!


You're deviating so far from "day 2" stuff you may as well back half the car, put a full cage in it, gut the interior and throw a new paint job on it !!

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Re: Roadrunner day two street racer ideas. [Re: nz383man] #2325935
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Originally Posted By nz383man




looks good but I think you stole that towel from Holiday Inn.

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looks good but I think you stole that towel from Holiday Inn.


Na bought it off eBay, they haven't made them like that for years!

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