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Proper 2017 Oil for flat tappet classic mopar cams #2323252
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I just watched a youtube video saying ALL new off the shelf oil will wipe the lobes off our classic car camshafts.

Its been 12-14 yrs since Ive had mine on the road last and it said late 90's the oil companies lowered zinc/phosphorous amounts.

What is truth and what oil do I use.

Historically I've always used mobil 1.

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Re: Proper 2017 Oil for flat rappet cams [Re: Prochargedmopar] #2323257
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Re: Proper 2017 Oil for flat rappet cams [Re: Prochargedmopar] #2323263
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I use Valvoline VR-1 with my .650 SFT. Pulled the valley tray to have a look and the lobes look perfect. Doesn't break the bank and its available everywhere.


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Re: Proper 2017 Oil for flat rappet cams [Re: Prochargedmopar] #2323290
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I also use VR-1


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Re: Proper 2017 Oil for flat rappet cams [Re: Prochargedmopar] #2323311
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So i take it that it was legit?

The guy in the vid recommended Joe gibbs oil (now driven) but said had no
affiliation with them. $10 a Qt. Ouch.

Also said all the major brand oil claims were bogus and didnt have enough zinc.

Where you guys buying valvoline?


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Re: Proper 2017 Oil for flat rappet cams [Re: Prochargedmopar] #2323320
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VR1 is on Amazon in 6 quart cases, about $6 a quart.


https://www.amazon.com/Valvoline-SAE-VR1...lvoline+vr1+30w

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I believe Autozone has it but only in 50 weight. Can't imagine who has use for it.

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Re: Proper 2017 Oil for flat rappet cams [Re: Prochargedmopar] #2323327
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I get VR-1 at the local Oreilly's or Napa.


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Re: Proper 2017 Oil for flat rappet cams [Re: Prochargedmopar] #2323332
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Really depends on the cam being run. My stock 2bbl cam in the 273 runs just fine on whatever 10w30 is on sale.


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Re: Proper 2017 Oil for flat rappet cams [Re: Prochargedmopar] #2323334
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Add 1/3 bottle of Lucas break with the cheapest oil on sale


Re: Proper 2017 Oil for flat rappet cams [Re: BDW] #2323546
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On a side note I hear www.bobistheoilguy.com is a good read. As said I would go with one of the brands that get touted on here regularly, brad Penn/valvoline VR1 & several others. the search function would have something.


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I use simple oils with one container of comp cams zinc additive.

All posted will work, try to find the cam and lifers maybe off ebay that from the late 70-s to early 80-s, although ive never wiped a cam I do feel the base materials have also gotten cheaper.

Std older comp 821-16 non edm lifters are hard to hurt...
http://www.ebay.com/itm/COMP-Cams-Solid-Lifters-Flat-Tappet-Chrysler-340-360-383-400-Set-of-16-821-16-/262795933374?hash=item3d2fdbb6be:g:9I4AAOSwt5hYcBJ-&vxp=mtr

At times you can find them for $75.

Its also not hard to modify a lifter like the 821-16 for better oiling like in a few odd classes that wont allow a edm lifter.

Re: Proper 2017 Oil for flat rappet cams [Re: Prochargedmopar] #2323646
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Howard's also has a direct lube EDM lifter that works well for added protection against worn lobes.


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Re: Proper 2017 Oil for flat rappet cams [Re: Supercuda] #2323866
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Originally Posted By Supercuda
Really depends on the cam being run.

Exactly. It's about Spring Pressure. The anti-wear packages in many current grades are as good or better than what was normally sold in 1968 or 71. However if your running a cam with fast ramp and high spring pressures then yes you probably want to be sure the oil has the a really good package for the sliding follower action.

If you really want to know about oil selection for older engines, then check out Richard Widman's paper. He even sent out a sample of classic motor oil for analysis. smile
http://www.widman.biz/Corvair/English/Links/Oil.html

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Alot of links but little hands on input here....hmmm.

Re: Proper 2017 Oil for flat rappet cams [Re: Porter67] #2323904
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Originally Posted By EV2Bird
Alot of links but little hands on input here....hmmm.

I have used Brad Penn and VR1 with great results, I guess that would qualify as hands on results shruggy

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Re: Proper 2017 Oil for flat rappet cams [Re: Prochargedmopar] #2323911
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hands on means anecdotal. Unless you got analysis results it's useless.

At least the link has the analysis.


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you got analysis...



Two of the three links are pushing there product, not sure what "The Corvair Guy" might be helpful for a vw owner.


Re: Proper 2017 Oil for flat rappet cams [Re: Prochargedmopar] #2323953
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13 years ago my engine builder told me to use Delo LE 400 15w/40 with a bottle of Comp Cams Oil
additive. I've been running it ever since. I did notice that they came out with a new formula (Delo 400 SDE) with lower Zinc. I still can find the Delo LE formula.


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Re: Proper 2017 Oil for flat rappet cams [Re: Prochargedmopar] #2324029
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The OP asked if a Video claim regarding current off the shelf motor oil was true. Specifically if all 2017 oil sold will wipe out cams of "our classic car camshafts." We gave an answer and the link has a paper (pdf) that explains why. The details are about the characteristics of lubrication in an engine. It even discusses different needs of gear driven vs. chain driven. For the purpose of understanding how and why an oil made and sold in 2017 differs from the ones made and sold in 1968 and 1971 it doesn't matter if the cam was made by GM or Chrysler or Triumph.

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