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which altenator/amps? #2312790
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I looking at one wire altenators with internal regulator for my 70's Satellite.

I'm planning on using a EFI, in tank Fuel pump, Led lights all around (except for the head lights), no serious radio...

How many amps do I need?

I was looking at the Power Master 75191 which has 50 amps at idle and 90 amps max output. Would this be enough?

Re: which altenator/amps? [Re: dickdale] #2312884
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I would think so, LED's use less. I dont think the EFI/elec pump are unGodly high draws. Just me I would want an externally reg alt.


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Re: which altenator/amps? [Re: dickdale] #2312891
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I forgot, I will be using electric fans and electronic power steering...

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I don't like the external regulator and I want a clean fire wall...

Re: which altenator/amps? [Re: dickdale] #2312913
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understood


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Re: which altenator/amps? [Re: dickdale] #2312924
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Sounds like you need to determine what the current draw of all the new parts will be.
All easily available from vendors, add up the new stuff, then add to what's on your car now.
LED lights will save you 5-10A, I'd ignore that and chalk it up to safety margin.

Re: which altenator/amps? [Re: dickdale] #2313037
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The biggest current draw are the electric fans, they can draw > 25A x 2 @ startup...
A 100 amp alternator should work fine but be sure U are upgrading the respective wiring harness and bulkhead connections accordingly.

Just my $0.02... wink

Re: which altenator/amps? [Re: dickdale] #2313101
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Thx, guys! Since I'm doing a complete protouring rebuild, the wiring will be replaced and modified.

I will look in to the amps...

Re: which altenator/amps? [Re: dickdale] #2313132
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With EFI and mechanical fan the Powermaster 50A idle/75 amp max was not enough for me. Even going down the highway with AC and bright lights on it barely kept up.

I replaced it with a 100+ amp "big chrysler" alternator with great idle output and that works fine... just heavy. I had previously tried the 140 amp GM derived Powermaster alternator and it hit my aluminum heads.

With electric fans in addition, I think you need at least 140 amps... and plenty of idle output.

I guess you are running AC? If so, the "with AC" brackets make fitting a non stock alternator challenging. Next upgrade for me is a "Quality Power" unit which looks nice, just spendy. At least one board member is running one though I have not heard an update.

http://www.qualitypowerauto.com/item_557/Chrysler-Mount-Mega-Amp-Alternator.htm

Re: which altenator/amps? [Re: dickdale] #2313407
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I won't be using AC...

2 electric fans,
electric power steering
efi with in tank fuel pump
and LED lights.

I don't think the Power master 75191 will be good enough for me.

Re: which altenator/amps? [Re: dickdale] #2313480
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You need an alt able to feed the car requirements at iddle ( which usually stock alts are far away from that even at max output ). That's the more healtly output you can get for the charger system. And feed all acc relays from alt side of the ammeter line.

No need for amm bypass but just a good mantenience on cluster/amm isolators and clean and tight studs to the amm inner plate. Then extra wiring to save the bulkhead terminal weakness with a parallel path through the firewall and you will be set and safe


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Re: which altenator/amps? [Re: dickdale] #2313546
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Best approach will be to add up all proposed loads yourself and divide into two categories. More on that later.
Worst case scenario would be to add up amp ratings of each fuse and circuit breaker in use at one time.
More typical scenarios can be constructed using the actual ratings of your components, and if not known, estimates from general sources; Here's two:
* Page 8, even though its for heavy trucks in ACDelco Starter and Alternators (pdf)
* http://what-when-how.com/automobile/vehicle-electrical-loads-automobile/

It will be best to identify and seperate the two situations that will occur:
a. Power draws when the is alternator is supplying power.
b. Power draws when battery alone is supplying power.
Diagrams from NachoRt here show why.

Because the modifications proposed include electric fuel pumps and efi it would be prudent to spend time engineering the system because (b) Loads on battery power alone, will be very different than the original system was designed for.

Explanation: Power for the efi and electric pumps must be supplied during starting. They will be drawing off of battery alone. It will be critical for them to get enough power and the battery drain will be higher.
Definately look at relays and wiring to insure minimal losses and keeping current through the charge, start and ignition circuits within their capacity.

Alternators
* Keep in mind that during lower voltage situations (battery only), current to the equipment will increase. Almost as bad will be when alternator can not keep up to demands. That's why its important to size the power output vs load at idle.
* Since alternator power out varies with voltage and rpm, manufacturer's sometimes play games with the ratings.
* The single wire is a self exciting circuit. If you prefer internal regulation, it would be better to use a voltage reference located closer to loads and distribution.
More on this here.

my twocents is that is all very doable but worth the time and effort to design it right from the beginning.


Re: which altenator/amps? [Re: dickdale] #2313830
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Keep in mind...
@ idle the alternator output depends upon the idle speed setting...
Also the diameter of the alternator pulley can/will affect the alternator's output @ idle.

Just my $0.02... wink







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