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What gears for my 64 Dodge #230586
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I’d like to build a dedicated center section for my weekend warrior attempts at the strip.
What gears should I run???

These are the facts –
Engine: 505 cubic - 550 hp at 5300 RPM / 650 LBS torque at 3000 RPM
Approximate car weight with driver 3750
Rear end: 8 3/4 , 30 spline Strange SS axles
Rear Tires: Hoosier drag radial tires 28x10
Suspension: Super stock springs with Mopar long gas shocks, Front QA1 R series single adjustable, 12 way
Convertor: Dynamic 9 ½ 3400 stall

If useful, my dyno data is posted on my web page

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Re: What gears for my 64 Dodge [Re: sjs64polara] #230587
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3.91............just don't ask, "How long it will last?"


Re: What gears for my 64 Dodge [Re: S/ST 3040] #230588
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3.91............just don't ask, "How long it will last?"






Are you saying, it will go boom and then I’ll be picking up pieces and parts, I'll need at least 6 then

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Re: What gears for my 64 Dodge [Re: sjs64polara] #230589
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I didn't have to pick up any pieces.......they all
stayed nicely contained in the housing.

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Re: What gears for my 64 Dodge [Re: S/ST 3040] #230590
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4.56 because of the weight. just dont ask me how long its going to last.

Re: What gears for my 64 Dodge [Re: sjs64polara] #230591
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I would use a 4:10 gear ratio with the dedicated center section for the 8 3/4 with a steel cap on the drivers side with a spool. either the 742 or 489 case will work, if you use the 489 case get a pinion spacer instead of using the standard crush sleeve . I have used a 3:73, 3;91 and a 4:10 third memebers in my 3400 lbs duster, the car ran real close to the same ET(10:40s) and MPH(128.6) with all three gear ratios Your cars weight is a little more than mine and the HP and torque is a little less so the 3:91 or 4:10 will work fine with your tires, if the tires hold traction at the track


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Re: What gears for my 64 Dodge [Re: Cab_Burge] #230592
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With the small tire and low rpm motor you'll be lookin for 4th gear with the 4.56. I spin 7000 with the same size tire and 120 + mph.

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With the small tire and low rpm motor you'll be lookin for 4th gear with the 4.56. I spin 7000 with the same size tire and 120 + mph.




now after looking back at the 1st post. i thought it said 6300 rpms, so yes 4.10's are the right choice with a 5300 rpm motor. with your rpms and a 4.56 gear you'll be hunting for another gear.

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With the small tire and low rpm motor you'll be lookin for 4th gear with the 4.56. I spin 7000 with the same size tire and 120 + mph.




now after looking back at the 1st post. i thought it said 6300 rpms, so yes 4.10's are the right choice with a 5300 rpm motor. with your rpms and a 4.56 gear you'll be hunting for another gear.





Great 4.10 sounds good.

Low 9’s WOW, I’m in a different league. Maybe I’m wrong but I’m crossing my fingers for high 11’s

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Re: What gears for my 64 Dodge [Re: sjs64polara] #230595
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With the small tire and low rpm motor you'll be lookin for 4th gear with the 4.56. I spin 7000 with the same size tire and 120 + mph.




now after looking back at the 1st post. i thought it said 6300 rpms, so yes 4.10's are the right choice with a 5300 rpm motor. with your rpms and a 4.56 gear you'll be hunting for another gear.





Great 4.10 sounds good.

Low 9’s WOW, I’m in a different league. Maybe I’m wrong but I’m crossing my fingers for high 11’s





FWIW I went from 410's to 373's in my dana, and saw no et change. also with a 28" tire.

Your engine is big and torquey, so I think less than 410's is your best bet.

As for strength, you are very clearly at the limit of 8 3/4 durability.

I felt I was there with my 8.75.
Then I saw my buddies SB 388 make a 727 turn into pieces the size of pocket change, I decided it was time to upgrade some of my stuff.

So I bought all the good internals for my 727, and switched to the dana.

You can't put a price on body parts(human ones anyway ).

Re: What gears for my 64 Dodge [Re: dave571] #230596
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I agree with the 3.91's or 4.10's with your 505 and 28" tall tires. As you know I use 4.30's but I have 29" tall tires and they work good with my 440. But you will have gobs of torque and will run good with 3.91's or 4.10's at the most to take advantage of the power band in your stroker. What a nice car you have. Ron


Re: What gears for my 64 Dodge [Re: 383man] #230597
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I agree with the 3.91's or 4.10's with your 505 and 28" tall tires. As you know I use 4.30's but I have 29" tall tires and they work good with my 440. But you will have gobs of torque and will run good with 3.91's or 4.10's at the most to take advantage of the power band in your stroker. What a nice car you have. Ron









Ron, are ya going to the Mopar National this year?
It would be cool having some fun on the track together

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Re: What gears for my 64 Dodge [Re: sjs64polara] #230598
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I would love to go as I have not been there since 2001. But its a long haul for me and cash is tight right now so I dont think I can make it this year. I agree it would be so cool to have our cars lined up together. Ron

Re: What gears for my 64 Dodge [Re: 383man] #230599
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IMO 4.56 gears is a bunch of rpm with the 28's. No need to spin that motor like that. I would look hard at 4.10 gears, 4.30 max.


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I would love to go as I have not been there since 2001. But its a long haul for me and cash is tight right now so I dont think I can make it this year. I agree it would be so cool to have our cars lined up together. Ron




Will be the 1st time for me. About 7 hour drive, to save $ we have 4 guys in 1 pick up truck and all sharing a motel. can you say to much

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Re: What gears for my 64 Dodge [Re: sjs64polara] #230601
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Boy that car brings back some memories. I had a 64 polara 500 426 st wedge, had the console shift, I lerned to shift that with 1 finger so as not to shift up two gears. I sold that about 8-9 years ago. Just came acrost a photo of it at the track. I think the best it ever ran was a 13.03, but it was a lot of fun from a stop light with 4.11s in it it would smoke them thrugh first and part of second with street tires on it. Mine was anv. gold with gold interiour.
You got a nice looking and am sure running ride there have fun with it, Bud


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Re: What gears for my 64 Dodge [Re: sjs64polara] #230602
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my 63 Dodge had 5.13 gears when it had the original 426 stageII...had 31" tall tires

I now have a 9" with 4.57's...and thats with 32" tall tires..mine will weigh a whole lot less than yours and I'll put it on the street...if I dont sell the Duster whole I'll put the 499 in the 63 with Hilborn tall stack injectors...I think that would look period cool..


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Boy that car brings back some memories. I had a 64 polara 500 426 st wedge, had the console shift, I lerned to shift that with 1 finger so as not to shift up two gears. I sold that about 8-9 years ago. Just came acrost a photo of it at the track. I think the best it ever ran was a 13.03, but it was a lot of fun from a stop light with 4.11s in it it would smoke them thrugh first and part of second with street tires on it. Mine was anv. gold with gold interiour.
You got a nice looking and am sure running ride there have fun with it, Bud





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I hit the rev limiter in 1st and 2nd frying my street tires with 3.55 gears. love the torque

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