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So a Friend asked me why won't you build a Gen 3 Hemi #2305628
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Almost begged me to build one last night and I told him I will give you an answer after I check on something today. Well I called him back with an answer this morning. I have one Keith Black block, one mega blocks, one 48 degree R block, a 59 degree R3 block, 3 stock 440 blocks, one 340 block, and 13 ( 360 blocks ). I turned down a 360 complete engine with a 727 bolted to it over the weekend for 50 dollars but may go back and grab it. After I told my friend the numbers of blocks I have he kinda understood but said he would still love to see what I could do with one. I guess if on fell in my lap it would be kinda fun.


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Re: So a Friend asked me why won't you build a Gen 3 Hemi [Re: pittsburghracer] #2305633
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I have wondered why I have not looked into gen 3 also. Can get good flowing heads and blocks seem to be stronger then old BB. Think a new hellcat block is $1500.

Re: So a Friend asked me why won't you build a Gen 3 Hemi [Re: pittsburghracer] #2305871
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They are a good eng and have their place but I would never put one in my 63. The 62 to 65 Mopars are the Max Wedge and Gen II Hemi era and thats what I prefer in mine. Nothing wrong with using the Gen III Hemi if that's what you want. Ron

Re: So a Friend asked me why won't you build a Gen 3 Hemi [Re: pittsburghracer] #2305879
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We had parts for two complete 5.7's at work that we had gathered from various jobs.... sat on them for years. Absolutely no value. basically gave them away to a scrap guy. About 3 years after that people started builds using them. Guess I should have held out a little longer.

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When I see what guys are paying for rockers, intakes, cams, ect, ect, ect, I catch myself shaking my head. Some guys have switched to FI only to pay big money and really struggle with it for zero performance gains. But I'm thankful of the generation 3 because its really made for some good deals on the "old junk" parts. LOl
Just gotta keep some spare change in your pocket for when a deal comes along.


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422 Indy headed small block
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9.42@138.27

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Re: So a Friend asked me why won't you build a Gen 3 Hemi [Re: pittsburghracer] #2305964
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Pick up the 360/727!!!
I sure would.


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Re: So a Friend asked me why won't you build a Gen 3 Hemi [Re: Iowan] #2305973
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Originally Posted By Iowan
Pick up the 360/727!!!
I sure would.




Pretty sure I passed the deal on to my friend. I honestly am set pretty good but it's a sure money maker if you need some quick cash. I just hate selling stuff once it's taken apart and stored in my shop


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5.984@112.52
422 Indy headed small block
5.982@112.56 mph
9.42@138.27

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Re: So a Friend asked me why won't you build a Gen 3 Hemi [Re: pittsburghracer] #2305977
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Super heads out of the box, good stock blocks, but few choices for intake systems ,cam control and ignition. Ma Mopar could have kicked off a great start for this engine family by providing low to reasonably priced parts for hot rodders and racers, but chose not to. Sad.
I have thought that an eight stack constant flow alky injected Gen 3 would make a great race motor, with 800+ hp reasonably easy to reach, and very light for the power.


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Re: So a Friend asked me why won't you build a Gen 3 Hemi [Re: pittsburghracer] #2306001
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I got a blown up 5.7 for free and rebuilt it, collected a bunch of parts for it and there it sits. I wanted carbureted and have a couple intakes and so on. Nothing happened.

Plan B was, I've got two vehicles with 5.7s of the same vintage, one of them is my truck with 250,000 miles on it. It's really not worn out enough to change it. If I ever sold that other engine sitting there, the truck would probably throw a rod through the block the same day.

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Re: So a Friend asked me why won't you build a Gen 3 Hemi [Re: pittsburghracer] #2306012
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Originally Posted By pittsburghracer
When I see what guys are paying for rockers, intakes, cams, ect, ect, ect, I catch myself shaking my head. Some guys have switched to FI only to pay big money and really struggle with it for zero performance gains. But I'm thankful of the generation 3 because its really made for some good deals on the "old junk" parts. LOl
Just gotta keep some spare change in your pocket for when a deal comes along.


This is how I see it also............the only late model for me is my daily driver and even though they've proven to make power, just like turbos today, no thankxx................ beer


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Re: So a Friend asked me why won't you build a Gen 3 Hemi [Re: pittsburghracer] #2306042
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I'm nibbling around the edges of the G3 deal now. Just bought a pair of Eagle heads that I can't wait to get on the flow bench. Mopar says 300+ CFM. We'll see. But I'm just as interested in the low and mid lift numbers.

I might like to try a stroked 5.7 (392) around 11:1 CR, 250-ish cam, single 4bbl intake, 950 carb. If I see it to completion, I'd sure be tickled if it'd go high 10's in a 3000# A body and be 100% pump gas street friendly.

On principal I agree with some; a G3 doesn't seem "right" to me in some applications; ie Ron's example of an early B-body. But in an A body, they seem right at home to me.

Re: So a Friend asked me why won't you build a Gen 3 Hemi [Re: pittsburghracer] #2306073
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Sounds like you have a stash of good parts sitting there so for you it wouldn't make any sense.

The argument that they're prohibitively expensive gets holes poked in it pretty fast though. Rocker Arms are expensive, but a good set of quality rockers for a SB or BB aren't far behind. You can get a good intake now for $500. Cam, last I looked a roller cam set for a SB or BB was $800, in line for what you pay for a Gen III (although all you need is a cam ($400 ish), factory lifters are good for 7K and you can convert them to solids). Rotating assemblies are a wash. Where you get some $$$ back is you can walk into a junkyard and leave with a cross bolted 800+ hp capable block (reliably) and heads that flow 300+ before porting (Eagles), to get those capabilities with a SB or BB you need to look at the aftermarket. Yes you can't buy $89 Summit Racing flat tappet cams but that's not the type of build you're looking at.

Stick with what you're comfortable with and giver

Re: So a Friend asked me why won't you build a Gen 3 Hemi [Re: WO23Coronet] #2306187
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Im just curious because Im still learning. At what point do you need to buy rockers, because I just got off the phone with Arrow Racing and they use stock rockers in their Trans Am motors and the cascar(candian nascar) series


And Goss made many 200mph passes with a stock block before he ran over the crank

My 2 cams i bought, custom grinds were under $350 so ptbgracer you must be shaking your head at the money you waste on them 13 360s. Lolol


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Re: So a Friend asked me why won't you build a Gen 3 Hemi [Re: sixpackgut] #2306191
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Good point, the factory Gen III rockers are very capable as is, to get a SB/BB to an equivalent capability would require decent aftermarket rockers.

Re: So a Friend asked me why won't you build a Gen 3 Hemi [Re: pittsburghracer] #2306222
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The big stumbling block to me is no dist. So no basic low budget build, big money right from the start. After accumulating parts all these years none work on the engine, you start from scratch. Lap tops, FI, fuel rails and injectors, o2 sencers, for us older guys a little intimidating. Never have had to pull heads just to change lifters-cam. Bad part, I got three looking at me right now while scratching my a$$.

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MSD 6 hemi kits are around $700 ish, not far off what a good distributor/coil/ignition controller would put you back

Re: So a Friend asked me why won't you build a Gen 3 Hemi [Re: pittsburghracer] #2306249
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A few years ago I picked up a complete 48,000 mile takeout 2008 SRT 6.1 with NAG trans at a pretty good price. No real plan yet, but it is sitting next to a '69 Coronet R/T hardtop shell.

I may end up selling some cars to finance future projects. The wife ran up my credit cards, so might take awhile to pay them off frown

Re: So a Friend asked me why won't you build a Gen 3 Hemi [Re: cudaman1969] #2306250
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Originally Posted By cudaman1969
The big stumbling block to me is no dist. So no basic low budget build, big money right from the start. After accumulating parts all these years none work on the engine, you start from scratch. Lap tops, FI, fuel rails and injectors, o2 sencers, for us older guys a little intimidating. Never have had to pull heads just to change lifters-cam. Bad part, I got three looking at me right now while scratching my a$$.


You undo the rockers, pull the pushrods and rotate the engine. The lifters get pushed over to the side and you swap cams.

Next, support a moparts member and get yourself a nice Thumpercarb(even though he wants to live in the past and hates on the new stuff every chance he gets) and put it on a $500 intake. Get a hemimsd6 and hook up all 5 wires and start it up.





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Re: So a Friend asked me why won't you build a Gen 3 Hemi [Re: sixpackgut] #2306254
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Anybody want to buy 3 old out-dated 440 blocks. LOL


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422 Indy headed small block
5.982@112.56 mph
9.42@138.27

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Re: So a Friend asked me why won't you build a Gen 3 Hemi [Re: pittsburghracer] #2306257
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Originally Posted By pittsburghracer
Anybody want to buy 3 old out-dated 440 blocks. LOL


List them in resto section. They are useless


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