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Lead vs Filler
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02/19/09 05:38 PM
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This may have been done before but let's here some veiws for lead or lead free solder vs filler in a factory panel seam, ie: 1/4 panel to roof where the joint is quite large? 
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Re: Lead vs Filler
[Re: Neil]
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02/19/09 06:20 PM
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I'd use lead.
I redid mine in plastic just because the vinyl top is going back on. If I didn't have the top I would have replaced the plastic with lead. That is the way the factory did it in the first place.
funny you mentioned that, I have a friend with a challenger that just went into the trim shop for a new vinyl top becuase the guy that did the car used filler in the seam and it started to bubble and lift away...car was done within the last 10 years, and has seen very little miles.. so it didn't last long....
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Re: Lead vs Filler
[Re: smac77]
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02/19/09 08:46 PM
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My original filler was still in decent shape when I took the vinyl top off, but sooner or later it will let go. I'd rather it not be when I put a new top back on so I chose to replace it with fresh material.
If the factory stuff lasted 38 years then this should last just as long. It will be kept inside most of the time and rarely see water so it should be ok. I'm going to have the roof painted with a good thick coat of base-clear urethane paint so that should lock out any moisture. It has to be a whole lot better than the light dusting of enamel the factory gave it.
Filler lifting is caused by the surface not being cleaned properly most likely.
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Re: Lead vs Filler
[Re: smac77]
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02/19/09 09:01 PM
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This may have been done before but let's here some veiws for lead or lead free solder vs filler in a factory panel seam, ie: 1/4 panel to roof where the joint is quite large?
Its been discussed before and the factory seemed to have lead in the painted roofs and plastic in the vinyl top models. I would prefer lead.
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Re: Lead vs Filler
[Re: NITROUSN]
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02/19/09 09:28 PM
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This may have been done before but let's here some veiws for lead or lead free solder vs filler in a factory panel seam, ie: 1/4 panel to roof where the joint is quite large?
Its been discussed before and the factory seemed to have lead in the painted roofs and plastic in the vinyl top models. I would prefer lead.
I've never seen plastic behind a vinyl from the factory? Not pre 73 anyway, they've always been lead in any that I've removed...
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Re: Lead vs Filler
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02/19/09 09:51 PM
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SMC is the best thing i have used, SMC is used to bond corvette bodies together. SMC cures into a very hard film, but it remains flexable enough that it will not crack . 
if that works for you,lol, I'd never use something that was developed for composites on metal, they have a metal bonding adhesive that will work much better ,it was designed to work with metal
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Re: Lead vs Filler
[Re: smac77]
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02/19/09 09:54 PM
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My 71 B body has lead on each end with bondo in the middle, I remember other cars I had with bondo like 69 b bodies, cant remeber if just the ends were leaded.
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Re: Lead vs Filler
[Re: mopargem]
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02/19/09 09:59 PM
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My 70 Superbee with vinyl top has plastic filler where my 72 Duster w/o vinyl top has lead. Both were done this way in the factory.
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Re: Lead vs Filler
[Re: Topcat]
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02/19/09 10:38 PM
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I used the Eastwood lead kit on mine. Took a few times to figure out the right amount of heat to get it to smear how you intended.
I watched videos first on you Tube and then the Eastwood video. Way better than a huge chunk of Mud I think.
You picture looks like you used a grinder with 36 grit to cut the lead...A bit of advice..Lead is still toxic, thats why it isn't used much...Shape the lead close with a paddle while it is workable then cut it with a body file...Keep dust to a minimum & where a mask....
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Re: Lead vs Filler
[Re: smac77]
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02/19/09 10:47 PM
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This may have been done before but let's here some veiws for lead or lead free solder vs filler in a factory panel seam, ie: 1/4 panel to roof where the joint is quite large?
Its been discussed before and the factory seemed to have lead in the painted roofs and plastic in the vinyl top models. I would prefer lead.
I've never seen plastic behind a vinyl from the factory? Not pre 73 anyway, they've always been lead in any that I've removed...
All I have seen is plastic. here is a virgin 69. Pics not the best.
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Re: Lead vs Filler
[Re: 1_WILD_RT]
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02/19/09 10:49 PM
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I used the Eastwood lead kit on mine. Took a few times to figure out the right amount of heat to get it to smear how you intended.
I watched videos first on you Tube and then the Eastwood video. Way better than a huge chunk of Mud I think.
Your picture looks like you used a grinder with 36 grit to cut the lead...A bit of advice..Lead is still toxic, thats why it isn't used much...Shape the lead close with a paddle while it is workable then cut it with a body file...Keep dust to a minimum & where a mask....
I used the Eastwood file cheese grater file in that picture. Yes I did use a mask whenever and would stop breathing as much as possible around it. Swept area slowly after with a hand brush using small strokes so as not to kick up lead dust. Also a hand operated pnuematic vacuum made by Blue Point/Snap On to pick up the shavings. Cool little tool.
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Re: Lead vs Filler
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02/19/09 10:59 PM
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This may have been done before but let's here some veiws for lead or lead free solder vs filler in a factory panel seam, ie: 1/4 panel to roof where the joint is quite large?
Its been discussed before and the factory seemed to have lead in the painted roofs and plastic in the vinyl top models. I would prefer lead.
I've never seen plastic behind a vinyl from the factory? Not pre 73 anyway, they've always been lead in any that I've removed...
All I have seen is plastic. here is a virgin 69. Pics not the best.
The original material they used as filler from the factory underneath vinyl top cars wasn't a body filler I have ever seen before.
When I removed mine years ago, it flew off like saw dust. It seemed porus, almost flexible. This would make sense so any body shift and it wouldn't likely crack. These were my personal reasons why I went with lead instead. Body fillers have come a long way since back in the 80's when I first filled it with Body filler. Later on, my car (black back then) had a band aid effect later on right at the quarter panel seam. At shows, I have seen others with this problem also.
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Re: Lead vs Filler
[Re: Firepowerflyer]
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02/20/09 10:59 AM
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The factory "Process Standard" paperwork I've seen & read, states the filler used under vinyl was a heat cured material. (Called Plasti-sol IIRC). Similar to bondo, but as mentioned, more like the hardness of the factory seam sealer. It failed miserably when moisture would get behind it through the open spot welded roof seam and cause rusting & filler puckering. I've personally seen one or two cars with lead used under an original vinyl top, but I'm of the opinion that most were done with the plastic material. The seam needs to be welded solid and pinhole free in order for plastic fillers to last. I'm a firm believer in welding the seam solid and using lead filler on painted top cars. More info on the lead vs. plastic debate here... Leadwork 101 Rick
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