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#2290852 - 04/20/17 03:35 AM ANY clever ideas on a cheap, light (???) 16" rim...???
Pale_Roader Offline
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I had it in my head that you could get a 16" stock car rim? Dont know where that came from, but apparently i'm on glue. Anyways, i can get a KILLER deal on 4 pretty much new 295/50/-16 Maxxis tires... Yes, 16". Cheap enough that it might be worth abandoning my original 15" plan and trying to use them?

Anything out there that isn't a mag or custom? Perhaps a stock car or steel rim i dont know about?

I'd love to not have to use the ancient 295/50/15 BFG's i have in mind...

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#2290920 - 04/20/17 09:11 AM Re: ANY clever ideas on a cheap, light (???) 16" rim...??? [Re: Pale_Roader]
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now everyone is going with 18s even 17s are getting hard to find. I would pass on the 295/50/16s
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#2290988 - 04/20/17 11:12 AM Re: ANY clever ideas on a cheap, light (???) 16" rim...??? [Re: Pale_Roader]
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You might look for some used dura-lite rims.
They were 3 piece and not very expensive back in the '80s, many Solo2 and road racers ran them.
A common size was 16"x10"
I used a set of 16x10 stock car style wheels for years on my time trial car, they are very heavy if it matters!
Try Circle, or Diamond, they may still make 'em.
But yeah, if you can't find any cheap 16s, 18s are the way to go!
And almost anything will work better than those T/As!

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#2291148 - 04/20/17 04:42 PM Re: ANY clever ideas on a cheap, light (???) 16" rim...??? [Re: geo.]
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A commonly available 16" size is 255-50-16 from various tire brands.... BFG G-Force T/As are what I run on for my street/hwy/HSAX/HPDE events... decent performance... but 340 tread wear rating... your mileage may vary.... I have vintage mini-light rims 16x8 ("Performance" brand, from Australia).

For my serious pylon AX or road course HSAX competition events, I've run Hoosier A6 275-45-16 tires (DOT) on my lt-wt Centerline 16x10 rims front/rear... will eventually get a new set A7 or R7. Hoosiers stick like glue... only issue is classifications allowed, as well as limited lifetime wear (roughly 60 minutes, 120-180 minutes at best max time on tracks).

BUT, perhaps somewhere in my future will be set of 18x10-11s to run the popular 200 tread wear rated tires... at least 275- or else go for 315- front and rear (squared).... $$$$ overall!!!
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#2291344 - 04/20/17 10:26 PM Re: ANY clever ideas on a cheap, light (???) 16" rim...??? [Re: Pale_Roader]
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Pretty easy to source on Summit. Give it a search. Road wheels will be a bit heavy. I'm a big fan of AERO wheels as they make a lightweight steel wheel; however they only go to 15. I seem to remember one of the circle track wheel companies making a lightweight 16" race wheel, but I can't remember which one.

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#2291443 - 04/21/17 05:21 AM Re: ANY clever ideas on a cheap, light (???) 16" rim...??? [Re: 68rrunner]
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Originally Posted By 68rrunner
Pretty easy to source on Summit. Give it a search. Road wheels will be a bit heavy. I'm a big fan of AERO wheels as they make a lightweight steel wheel; however they only go to 15. I seem to remember one of the circle track wheel companies making a lightweight 16" race wheel, but I can't remember which one.


So i'm NOT the only one!? Was there a disco'd class that ran 16"?

Anyways, i'm NOT out to use 16" specifically... I just found a sick deal on some like-new 16" 295's. These are H-rated too. I like that size. Until i can afford some 18's i want 295/15's on my car. Just figured the tires are cheap enough that maybe with the extra cost ov some cheap rims i still might be ahead. Otherwise i need to find another pair ov 295/50/15 BFG's to match my only pair, to go on my existing 15x8" rims.

If there are no cheap/easily found 16x8-9" rims around, this is pointless.

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#2293403 - 04/24/17 06:11 PM Re: ANY clever ideas on a cheap, light (???) 16" rim...??? [Re: Pale_Roader]
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I have some 16x6 OEM wheels that I'll give away if someone wants them. I picked them up for the same type of project but never got around to it. A 16x6 rim would fit well for an A body car but might be a bit too narrow for a B body car.


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#2294174 - 04/25/17 09:18 PM Re: ANY clever ideas on a cheap, light (???) 16" rim...??? [Re: Pale_Roader]
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Chrysler Conquest (and Mitsu Starion) had factory 16" aluminum wheels with the correct bolt pattern. The conquests were mainly 7" front and 8" rear I believe unless it had the optional sport handling package, then had 8" front and 9" rears. I think the Starions all had 8" front and 9" rears. These would be the latter years, 88-89 I believe. I cannot recall the weight but I am sure a little research will get you answers. They are not bad looking either.

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#2294250 - 04/25/17 10:57 PM Re: ANY clever ideas on a cheap, light (???) 16" rim...??? [Re: Pale_Roader]
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The Conquest reference reminded me of a guy I met back in the '80s.
I think his plan was to convert his Javelin over to the gm bolt pattern so he could use some 16"
corvette wheels. I think 'vettes starting in '84 came with 16x9.5 wheels. Those might fit your price point. This isn't a bad way to go, think of all the new and used gm pattern wheels out there!

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#2294281 - 04/25/17 11:36 PM Re: ANY clever ideas on a cheap, light (???) 16" rim...??? [Re: Pale_Roader]
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Summit Racing has plenty of wheels all around $100 each.
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#2294320 - 04/26/17 01:57 AM Re: ANY clever ideas on a cheap, light (???) 16" rim...??? [Re: MuuMuu101]
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Originally Posted By MuuMuu101
Summit Racing has plenty of wheels all around $100 each.


Yup... and anything that is not a stock car rim (and 15") is a truck/4x4 rim... and they START at 28lbs. Some are over 30. Cannot do it.

Conquest rims would work, but they're not exactly easy to find, and the ones i've seen are priced too high. I have a friend with one, and he's obsessed with them. He said dont bother. Plus, they'd not look right on an old car.

I'd not be averse to swapping bolt patterns, but honestly, theres more out there for a Mustang than a Camaro/Vette, and cheaper. Plus, the GM stuff has even worse offsets for old cars.

Thought maybe there might be a cheap 16" rim on American Muscle, but their stuff starts at 17".


But at the end ov the day, building a car around ONE random set ov 295/50/16's i found on CL is a stupid idea. If there was a cheap, readily available rim (that didn't weigh 30lbs) then fine, but thats as far as this idea goes.

Back to the 295/50-15 junk i go... Anyone local got a decent pair ov BFG's they wanna part with?


Edited by Pale_Roader (04/26/17 01:58 AM)

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#2294401 - 04/26/17 09:15 AM Re: ANY clever ideas on a cheap, light (???) 16" rim...??? [Re: Pale_Roader]
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Pale, try http://www.starquestclub.com/forum/ I was a member there when I used to own these types of cars. There may be someone selling rims. They used to go for about 100 a rim for the 9", but that was quite a few years ago.

Wheels search... http://www.starquestclub.com/forum/index...mp;fromsearch=1


Edited by roadrunninMark (04/26/17 10:39 AM)

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#2294405 - 04/26/17 09:19 AM Re: ANY clever ideas on a cheap, light (???) 16" rim...??? [Re: Pale_Roader]
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The trifecta of cheap, light, and wide aren't going to come together for this one deal in a short time frame.

Before pursuing it any further, I'd see what normal retail of the wide 16" tires is, as the rim size will lock you into it's use for the future. If the tires can be picked up at a reasonable price at normal retail, then it might be worth the expense of rims.

Cheap - used Crown Vic, Jeep, or Mustang but too narrow for a 295.
Light - Competition rims, but not necessarily not cheap if shipped.
Wide - Aftermarket, but necessarily cheap nor light.

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#2294719 - 04/26/17 08:45 PM Re: ANY clever ideas on a cheap, light (???) 16" rim...??? [Re: Pale_Roader]
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Originally Posted By Pale_Roader
Originally Posted By MuuMuu101
Summit Racing has plenty of wheels all around $100 each.


Yup... and anything that is not a stock car rim (and 15") is a truck/4x4 rim... and they START at 28lbs. Some are over 30. Cannot do it.

Conquest rims would work, but they're not exactly easy to find, and the ones i've seen are priced too high. I have a friend with one, and he's obsessed with them. He said dont bother. Plus, they'd not look right on an old car.

I'd not be averse to swapping bolt patterns, but honestly, theres more out there for a Mustang than a Camaro/Vette, and cheaper. Plus, the GM stuff has even worse offsets for old cars.

Thought maybe there might be a cheap 16" rim on American Muscle, but their stuff starts at 17".


But at the end ov the day, building a car around ONE random set ov 295/50/16's i found on CL is a stupid idea. If there was a cheap, readily available rim (that didn't weigh 30lbs) then fine, but thats as far as this idea goes.

Back to the 295/50-15 junk i go... Anyone local got a decent pair ov BFG's they wanna part with?


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#2298978 - 05/04/17 02:27 PM Re: ANY clever ideas on a cheap, light (???) 16" rim...??? [Re: Pale_Roader]
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Diamond makes a steel 16" stock car type wheel. About $120.

http://www.diamondracingwheels.com/index.php/street-wheels/pro-street-wheels

Kevin

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#2299145 - 05/04/17 06:57 PM Re: ANY clever ideas on a cheap, light (???) 16" rim...??? [Re: Twostick]
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Originally Posted By Twostick
Diamond makes a steel 16" stock car type wheel. About $120.

http://www.diamondracingwheels.com/index.php/street-wheels/pro-street-wheels

Kevin


Hmmm... How'd i miss that? I'm GUESSING that its gonna be a heavy wheel. DOT is going to add weight. Regardless, i've already found some 295 50 15's for my existing rims. I thought finding some cheap light 16" rims might be a quick fix, but it seems everything but. Sticking with 15's, and sh!te tires until i can grab something in 18".

I REALLY wish you could get a performance tire in 15".

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#2299771 - 05/05/17 08:04 PM Re: ANY clever ideas on a cheap, light (???) 16" rim...??? [Re: Pale_Roader]
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Be SURE you get the correct backspacing! FWD and later RWD cars have front hub bearings assemblies rather than the front wheel bearings of prior RWD car. This affects backspacing and resulting fitment , even with the correct bolt pattern. The wheel pictured above appears to be a FWD wheel.

Many racing wheels might not have enough reserve "guts" for street use, other than on smooth pavement with no potholes or such. A friend had a set of lite-weight wheels on a Mustang LX 5.0L coupe he had. He ventured into a ritzy part of town one night and found a pothole (??!!) that bent the wheel. His dad was a city councilman for a neighboring city and a new wheel was paid for by the "pothole" city.

You're worried about wheel weight, understandably as that can affect ride quality, but also consider the complete wheel/tire assembly weight too.

There are some 17" tire sizes which have similar revs/mile as some 15" sizes. I've been looking at that myself as I seek to find something lighter than the heavy 15x7 factory wheels on a non-Mopar car I have, and the P225.70R-15 Radial T/As on it. There are several 17" sizes which closely-approximate the revs/mile spec of the current tires. The revs/mile specs can be found in the respective tire charts at www.tirerack.com, usually. Might need to check different tire brands, but they are usually there.

If "rotational weight" is an issue, an aluminum or composite drive shaft might be an alternative.

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#2300922 - 05/07/17 09:18 PM Re: ANY clever ideas on a cheap, light (???) 16" rim...??? [Re: geo.]
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Originally Posted By geo.
You might look for some used dura-lite rims.
They were 3 piece and not very expensive back in the '80s, many Solo2 and road racers ran them.
A common size was 16"x10"
I used a set of 16x10 stock car style wheels for years on my time trial car, they are very heavy if it matters!
Try Circle, or Diamond, they may still make 'em.
But yeah, if you can't find any cheap 16s, 18s are the way to go!
And almost anything will work better than those T/As!


Sorry you didn't notice my post from 4/20 about Diamond wheels!

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#2301019 - 05/08/17 02:41 AM Re: ANY clever ideas on a cheap, light (???) 16" rim...??? [Re: geo.]
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Originally Posted By geo.
Originally Posted By geo.
You might look for some used dura-lite rims.
They were 3 piece and not very expensive back in the '80s, many Solo2 and road racers ran them.
A common size was 16"x10"
I used a set of 16x10 stock car style wheels for years on my time trial car, they are very heavy if it matters!
Try Circle, or Diamond, they may still make 'em.
But yeah, if you can't find any cheap 16s, 18s are the way to go!
And almost anything will work better than those T/As!


Sorry you didn't notice my post from 4/20 about Diamond wheels!


Oh i saw it, but you lost me at "very heavy". The 15's i have in mind are 19lbs. I just thought a similar rim in 16" might be just a hair over 20... but nope. I have zero interest in a 25lb rim (further, the 16's i found on Ebay were over 30!!!). I just sold my last set ov Ramcharger 15x8" steelies (that i could have used my redline caps on), because they were too heavy.

I'm going 18" as soon as i find that big bag o money i've been looking for on the side ov the road. Until then... its 15x8", lightweight steel and sh!t 295 50 15 BFG radial TA's. Unfortunately.

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#2301543 - 05/08/17 11:56 PM Re: ANY clever ideas on a cheap, light (???) 16" rim...??? [Re: Pale_Roader]
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Odds are you probably wouldn't even feel the weight difference between a 15" and 16" wheel (20 lbs 15" vs. 25 lbs 16" wheel). You're forgetting when you swap out a wheel, all of the weight is already closer to its moment of inertia. Given similar tire weights, I calculated only a difference of about 12-13% of power loss. That means if it takes 20 hp to physically spin the tires, the 16" wheel would require 22.6 hp.

However, I just did a quick google search on Maxxis 295/50/16 and all I found was their Bravo line which weighed about 57 lbs (20+ lbs more than the BFG's). Maybe some sort of SUV tire? So, it would have been better to stay with the 15" wheels.
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