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Re: 470 ci project underway [Re: ccdave] #2292451
04/23/17 12:23 AM
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I'm not worried about it. All my measurements matched what my machinest said they were. When I build a stock cap engine I leave the caps dry, aluminum caps get the edge beveled and a coat of moly. I don't like galled up parts. I'm sure your way works great for you, my way works great for me.

Re: 470 ci project underway [Re: ccdave] #2292456
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nice build. I've heard both theories on the lubrication. personally I put mine in dry, and if you install the main studs first you can use them as a guide to slide the caps down and tap them into place. some guys like the bevels some don't. whatever you do, make your mods before the shop line bores it. its also good to simulate the install when line boring so that you and your shop do the exact same things.

keep us posted on the progress!!!!!


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Re: 470 ci project underway [Re: Jerry] #2292465
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Thanks Jerry.

All mods were done before the line bore and hone. up

Re: 470 ci project underway [Re: ccdave] #2292484
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Very, very nice stuff.


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Re: 470 ci project underway [Re: Cab_Burge] #2292597
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Originally Posted By Cab_Burge
Do not use any lube or any other materials between the mating surface, all of them, of the block and main caps tsk tsk tsk
They need metal to metal contact only to mate, center and hold the caps in properly up twocents


Does the lube increase the chance of cap walk?


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Re: 470 ci project underway [Re: ccdave] #2292667
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Never install stuff dry. Oil gets between everything anyway

Re: 470 ci project underway [Re: ccdave] #2292689
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Did you buy your so called ARP studs yourself or did your machine shop ? Never seen ARP main studs without the hex key insert on the ends. I never put any lube on the main caps , aluminum or iron.

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Re: 470 ci project underway [Re: ccdave] #2292709
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The studs are different for a reason. On top of the aluminum caps with be a much disputed girdle.

Living in southeast Michigan is a good thing in that no matter where you live a fasteners engineer that works for FCA is a stones throw away. I ran the lube vs no lube past my neighbor this morning and got this..

"If there is any built in interference between the cap and block it would cause a change in the joint seating torque. So with the lube,lower seating torque, without lube, higher seating torque.
However, if you are running them down by hand that would not matter nearly as much as if the caps were were being run down dynamically"







Re: 470 ci project underway [Re: ccdave] #2292776
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Ok, your ARP studs are special to use a girdle. My girdle use's ARP studs with the hex key insert. Did you read what you wrote about the lube between the caps? It doesn't make any sense. It sounds like you took what you wanted to hear from a lot of different answers . Good luck with your build, your going to need it.


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Re: 470 ci project underway [Re: ccdave] #2292783
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Re: 470 ci project underway [Re: rowin4] #2292897
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[quote=rowin4]Ok, your ARP studs are special to use a girdle. My girdle use's ARP studs with the hex key insert. Did you read what you wrote about the lube between the caps? It doesn't make any sense. It sounds like you took what you wanted to hear from a lot of different answers . Good luck on your build your gonna need it quote]


I don't recall asking for any opinions. It's too bad you don't understand the information I provided. If you would like I can hook you up with the engineer who explained the lube vs dry deal. Perhaps he can bring it down a few notches so even you could understand...

You are very fortunate to have the hex in your ARP studs. Mine did not come that way from Hughes Engines. Maybe you could call Dave Hughes on my behalf and let him know how unfair it is that you have a hex in your studs and I don't..

Keep em coming, I love it!!!!!!!!!


Re: 470 ci project underway [Re: ccdave] #2293020
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Have you ever had to help educate any type of engineers? I have, some are great, most are normal and some have their suspicions that they are smarter than you are if you don't have a higher education degree than they do work shock whistling Some of them your wasting your time and breath on trying to help them down Just like many people in every day life shruggy
You need to know and remember that many teachers teach thing they can't make a living doing shock :scope
Professors teach teachers whistling work shruggy
My last World block that was suppose to have ARP main studs didn't puke
Trust and verify up

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Re: 470 ci project underway [Re: Cab_Burge] #2293050
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Well said Cab up

The studs do say ARP on the ends. But then again, in this day and age they could be Chinese copies. The good news is Rowin4 is going to call Dave Hughes for me to verify the origins of the suspicious so-called ARP studs........ boogie

The next chapter should raise some additional controversy in that I will be installing a girdle on top of the aluminum caps!!!!! That should be fun...... whistling

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Re: 470 ci project underway [Re: ccdave] #2293067
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On my SB main studs I have both the hex and
non hex style.. I dont know if they have a
different P/N or not.. never really mattered
to me... and I lube everything..I do wipe things
on the final assembly but there is still oil and
it gets primed while still on the stand.. oil is
a good thing
wave

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Re: 470 ci project underway!! Crank install [Re: ccdave] #2294261
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Re: 470 ci project underway!! Crank install [Re: ccdave] #2294265
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On small batches of arp studs from arp, some do not have the provision for the allen wrench.

Weather the op lubes the areas hes listing or not, it will still run the same.

Re: 470 ci project underway!! Crank install [Re: ccdave] #2294300
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Dave it looks very nice and I am happy that its starting to come together so nicely for you. I think you are going to have a very nice running car/combo that you will enjoy alot when you get her done.

One thing I might say that may help releif a little tension that no one needs and by all means I do not mean to step into anyone's affairs. But when my oldest son started taking auto shop in high school I sat him down and had a nice talk with him because I did not want any conflict to get in his way in auto shop since I had been an auto tech all my life and I told him to be sure to not get smart to or say any smart remarks to his shop teacher if he tells him how to do or work any job on a car that may be different then what I had taught him. I just wanted him to know that many auto techs might do the same job a little different sometimes and most of the times both ways may be right. One may just prefer a certain way better then a way another may do the job. And both ways can be right as we all have our certain preferences of a way we may do a job. I told him his teacher and I may do some jobs different and both ways can be right. I wanted him to understand we all may have little differences in how we do a job and both ways can be fine so for him to respect his teacher even if he does a job different then I may have showed him.
I see that many times in the automotive world and just because many of us do some jobs a little different dont mean one has to be wrong.
Good luck with this cool build and keep us posted on the progress. Ron

Re: 470 ci project underway!! Crank install [Re: 383man] #2294311
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Thanks Ron up

Moparts is very helpful. I've gathered a ton of good info from a few over the years. I've always wanted to build a 470 and finally have the opportunity to build one for a friend. I really believe it's one of the best combos for a low deck Mopar. up

Re: 470 ci project underway!! Crank install [Re: ccdave] #2294475
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[quote=ccdave] Thanks Ron up

Moparts is very helpful. I've gathered a ton of good info from a few over the years. I've always wanted to build a 470 and finally have the opportunity to build one for a friend. I really believe it's one of the best combos for a low deck Mopar. up



Great combo for sure and a BLAST on the street.............. beer


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Re: 470 ci project underway!! Crank install [Re: Thumperdart] #2294819
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Originally Posted By Thumperdart
[quote=ccdave] Thanks Ron up

Moparts is very helpful. I've gathered a ton of good info from a few over the years. I've always wanted to build a 470 and finally have the opportunity to build one for a friend. I really believe it's one of the best combos for a low deck Mopar. up



Great combo for sure and a BLAST on the street.............. beer



Yes Thumper your car is sure proof of that. up Ron

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