Re: 315 Square setup E-body `Cuda
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The camera angle is just bad on that pic, here is a better view Passenger rear
Driver rear It's tight but there is enough clearance where it will not cause any interference with the leafs. Even if it does I still have 3mm spacers that can push the wheel out a little.
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Re: 315 Square setup E-body `Cuda
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Hey Brent! The rims I run are Forgeline GS1R's http://www.forgeline.com/products/competition-series/gs1r.htmlThe Red Brick would look badass with a set of these! Talk to Mark Schetter and he'll sell them for less than on the website. I also have a pair of Enkei wheels w/ 295 BFG KDW's that I let people borrow for fitment. A 315 is only about an inch wider( 1/2" per side) than a 295. Reno isn't that far!
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Re: 315 Square setup E-body `Cuda
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1500 a wheel??? Sorry, not going to happen. Guess I'll be limited to minilight wheels some day.
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Re: 315 Square setup E-body `Cuda
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The camera angle is just bad on that pic, here is a better view
Driver rear
It's tight but there is enough clearance where it will not cause any interference with the leafs. Even if it does I still have 3mm spacers that can push the wheel out a little.
Looks better. Is the gap equal side to side? Appears to have more clearance on one side vs the other.
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Re: 315 Square setup E-body `Cuda
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No wonder this e wheels look so good, Forgelines are some of the best wheel out there! I know I'll be heading down that way in early June for the Sonoma Historics, so if you don't sell the tires by then I'll pick them up. I'm thinking of buying this tool for measuring wheel offsets once you have the tire size chosen. https://www.summitracing.com/nv/parts/wwk-10724568/overview/I'll rent it out to recoup the cost.
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Re: 315 Square setup E-body `Cuda
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No wonder this e wheels look so good, Forgelines are some of the best wheel out there! I know I'll be heading down that way in early June for the Sonoma Historics, so if you don't sell the tires by then I'll pick them up. I'm thinking of buying this tool for measuring wheel offsets once you have the tire size chosen. https://www.summitracing.com/nv/parts/wwk-10724568/overview/I'll rent it out to recoup the cost. I have and used one of those on my Charger. I have a lift and just jacked up the suspension and put most of weight on it. I think it's a good tool. Could probably loan with deposit.
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Re: 315 Square setup E-body `Cuda
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1500 a wheel??? Sorry, not going to happen. Guess I'll be limited to minilight wheels some day. some time ago i made this statement : "i'm NEVER gonna pay $250.00 for a SET of tires AND wheels ! that's just a RIDICULOUS amount !" uh, well, i guess i'm showing my age....... i have since had to rethink that statement..........
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Re: 315 Square setup E-body `Cuda
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1500 a wheel??? Sorry, not going to happen. Guess I'll be limited to minilight wheels some day. some time ago i made this statement : "i'm NEVER gonna pay $250.00 for a SET of tires AND wheels ! that's just a RIDICULOUS amount !" uh, well, i guess i'm showing my age....... i have since had to rethink that statement.......... Yup, sometimes we change our minds, but I'll NEVER have that kind of money. Well, not until I win the lotto. I can't even save 1600 for something I want for the boat, without some crap happening and taking most of that money that I do/did have saved. I have no real idea what the new well house and new water holding tank will cost me over this summer, at least 1500, and maybe 3,000. at least the ramcharger has new tires even if I can't get to the lake very often this summer.
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Re: 315 Square setup E-body `Cuda
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Sidewall flex is only way a tire hits a leaf spring. It would take a ton of it to flex that far from the ground. The spring itself is incapable of moving towards the tire, with those ubolts holding it to the axle and stuff.
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Re: 315 Square setup E-body `Cuda
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I would agree in this application, and I would do the same as the OP, but in a drag application, tire shake I would bet, would allow contact, to what harm I have little idea.
Reality check, that half the population is smarter then 50% of the people and it's a constantly contested fact.
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Re: 315 Square setup E-body `Cuda
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Rylispro-- T/Anks for sharing your pics, etc... 315 square is awesome and what's needed in these latest years top be equal to many other similar classed pony cars... old or late years.
Your leafs are relocated inboard ~1"?
Also, now your front insides of the tires will hit the frame rail a bit more quickly.. correct?
I think you're gonna have to tuck/slightly pull your lips. Also, maybe time to step up to bigger TBs... 1.22 readily avlbl from FF, or request 1.24 from FF. (I run 1.24 TBs)
My 275-45-16s on 10" wide rims will resort to Hoosier A/R 7s.... and that places me in certain allowable classes (E/SP for SCCA Solo II, and some HSAX classes locally).
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Re: 315 Square setup E-body `Cuda
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Hey Mitch! I agree and just wanted to show that our cars can be just as competitive as the Chevys and Fords. There should be more Mopars on the road course and hopefully this will inspire more owners to mount wide ass tires & actually drive their cars at their local track days, not just show off at a boring car show. Yes my leafs are relocated inboard but at 1.5". Dr. Diff has a kit. My front inside tires never hit at all as there is tons of room available. This is the driver front with the steering at full lock to the right. The rear inside tire is another story as that always rubbed but only during U turns. There is very minimal damage. Here is driver side Here is passenger side. As you can see it basically just took off the paint from the frame and thats it. Here is the inside of my old front tires. Light horizontal scratches on the shoulder of the tire but no major damage anywhere. I have more camber wear than anything else and these 295's are about 4 years old with lots of miles and a bunch of track days on them. I'm thinking the 315's will just take off more paint and maybe get some extra wear on the shoulder so not a big deal. The front fender lips are already folded over and I may just need a little more neg camber for it to clear. The rears are untouched and I will fold them up if needed.
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Re: 315 Square setup E-body `Cuda
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AlexP what wheels are you running. Also what size width and offset. I'm looking at 285 or 295 square on 18" diameter wheel on my 68 GTX.
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Re: 315 Square setup E-body `Cuda
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AlexP what wheels are you running. Also what size width and offset. I'm looking at 285 or 295 square on 18" diameter wheel on my 68 GTX. http://www.americanmuscle.com/charcoal-amr-18x9-0512.htmlThese at 6.18 BS with a 1" spacer all around. I bought them on sale for $69 each and used a high quality bolt on adapter to space them out. I want to try to end up where Ariel is....
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Re: 315 Square setup E-body `Cuda
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If anyone needs assistance on getting wide tire widths under their cars, please let me know! I am here to help! I want 315's on all 4 corners of my Dart. Make it happen!
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Re: 315 Square setup E-body `Cuda
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I'm sure it could be done. When there is a will there is a way. Wasn't there a purple dart that autocrossed that was running 305/30-19s? Not sure if in front though? If you take a tape measure and find the distance from the frame to the edge of a front inner fender that shows how much room you have to work with. An E-body should be about 19 inches. I don't know for a A or B body but maybe someone can chime in? The rears should be easy as drag racers stuff wide slicks in back of A-bodies all the time. A 315 tire is physically about 13 wide so that gives about 3 inches per side of the tire to rotate left and right in an E-body. They key is a wheel that centers the tire exactly in the middle of the inner frame and inner fender edge. If anyone is gonna make a 315 square setup A-body its gonna be you Samy!
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Re: 315 Square setup E-body `Cuda
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I'm sure it could be done. When there is a will there is a way. Wasn't there a purple dart that autocrossed that was running 305/30-19s? Not sure if in front though? If you take a tape measure and find the distance from the frame to the edge of a front inner fender that shows how much room you have to work with. An E-body should be about 19 inches. I don't know for a A or B body but maybe someone can chime in? The rears should be easy as drag racers stuff wide slicks in back of A-bodies all the time. A 315 tire is physically about 13 wide so that gives about 3 inches per side of the tire to rotate left and right in an E-body. They key is a wheel that centers the tire exactly in the middle of the inner frame and inner fender edge. If anyone is gonna make a 315 square setup A-body its gonna be you Samy! That's Tom's old Valiant you're referring to. I've seen it run. He had fender flares that pushed his fender out about 2-3". I believe his leaf springs were in the stock location. It can be done, springs would probably have to come in and fenders would have to go out. I just don't have time right now. Lol.
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Re: 315 Square setup E-body `Cuda
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I'm unable to view any of your posted pics. Can you recap your plan with hard numbers, BS, Dia, Tire size aspect/dia/brand/model, You are looking for a group buy on a single size wheel offering? I just wore out a square set 295/35/18 on my DD Tacoma. I liked them a lot, and am toying around upgrading some of the rest of my fleet(? ), the $1500/wheel though if true, is not a path I'd like to take, but would entertain its consideration, maybe.
Reality check, that half the population is smarter then 50% of the people and it's a constantly contested fact.
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Re: 315 Square setup E-body `Cuda
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Hey jcc, Photobucket wants to charge $400 a year for their 3rd party hosting and I'm too lazy to move my pics haha sorry. Since each Forgeline wheel order would be specific to the customers needs it will be each an individual order. I just need to place a order of 5 sets to get a big discount off the website pricing. Any monoblock/competition wheel style, any size/width, any offset, any standard finish. http://www.forgeline.com/main-products/competition-series/
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Re: 315 Square setup E-body `Cuda
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I hear you on the $400 nonsense, you are not alone it seems, do mind sharing what you are thinking about getting?
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Re: 315 Square setup E-body `Cuda
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Your 17" choice vs say 18" surprises me. I have nothing against 17's and they IMO work well/good with our age of cars, but, my thinking is, 17's will eventually become the new 15's , limited tire selection. I am not sure how long that trend will/could continue, but I have been wrong before. Just making a substantial investment in maybe non resell-able rims in a size that may become scarce, makes me pause. Thoughts?
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Re: 315 Square setup E-body `Cuda
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RylisPro -- Your car looks awesome! Let us know if they rub under racing conditions.
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Re: 315 Square setup E-body `Cuda
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It's funny you say that Samy! I think that 335's would definitely fit in the rear. There is tons of clearance out back once one folds the fender lip up. Having 335's might actually cure my slight oversteer issue. Loose is fast though as they say. 335's in the front is another matter though as one would need a 12" wheel up front and that would be a really expensive experiment, if it fits... I'm very happy with a 315 square setup though!
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Re: 315 Square setup E-body `Cuda
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Hey Samy! I don't give out the specs to my wheels due to all the variation with suspension parts, fender clearance, leaf spring location etc. Even with E-bodies there is great variances between the Cuda vs Chally, any car built in the 70's for that matter. The specs on my wheels really only fit my setup with 295 tires and also need a few millimeters more to get the "perfect" offsets for 315's. I actually found out that on hard cornering the 315's just barely rubs on the rear leaf springs. I'm going to need to use 3mm spacers as well as rolling the rear fenders for these current wheels. My next setup of wheels will have corrected offsets for 315's R-comps. If I gave out my specs it doesnt really help anybody and I wouldn't want to get blamed for not fitting their car. One has to get a ruler and measure for their specific application. As always I will help you or anyone else with the correct sized wheels to get the maximum amount of tire underneath.
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Re: 315 Square setup E-body `Cuda
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Sorry, most of my pictures are held hostage by Photobucket so blame them if you can't see. I am going to have to retract my previous statement of possibly fitting 335's in the rear. My setup is actually rubbing in the upper wheel wells upon further inspection. It must be rubbing due to the body roll while cornering. The rubbing is just slight on the tire but, is no way ideal. 315's are definitely attainable, no doubt. With leaf springs, one will have to relocate them inboard 1.5" using Dr. Diff's kit and roll the rear fenders. Once those two things are done its just a matter of finding the correct offset wheels. I am having more issues fitting them in the rear than in the front haha!
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Re: 315 Square setup E-body `Cuda
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Rylis -- nice work!! Mine are flushed/pulled... still appears stock...
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Re: 315 Square setup E-body `Cuda
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I finished the driver side and took before and after pics: Before After Added about 5/8" additional clearance My advice when rolling the fenders is to take your time and check your work. I got a bit too greedy and the fender concaved in a bit. I had to pop it out from the inside and everything looks great now.
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Re: 315 Square setup E-body `Cuda
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Because that would mean more time that the car is down and getting worked on again which means less time on the road course Thanks!
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Re: 315 Square setup E-body `Cuda
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Moving the leaf springs inboard reduces the wheel rate about 10# per inch, so similar to running a lighter spring rate in the stock position.
Now, whether or not the butt dyno can feel a 30# rate change per side is highly subjective. Only in roll, to be clear?
Reality check, that half the population is smarter then 50% of the people and it's a constantly contested fact.
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Re: 315 Square setup E-body `Cuda
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I don't see much reference to the fronts, any real issues there with fitment? Looks great . Function over form
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Re: 315 Square setup E-body `Cuda
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Moving the leaf springs inboard reduces the wheel rate about 10# per inch, so similar to running a lighter spring rate in the stock position.
Now, whether or not the butt dyno can feel a 30# rate change per side is highly subjective. Only in roll, to be clear? This would be in both ride and roll rate because the mounting location is altered, impacting the geometric formula.
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Re: 315 Square setup E-body `Cuda
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You are a member over many years I seldom ever disagree with, but this is one.
Leaf spring location relative to the tire contact patch does not change spring rate in ride, as there is not motion ratio other the 1:1.
Reality check, that half the population is smarter then 50% of the people and it's a constantly contested fact.
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Re: 315 Square setup E-body `Cuda
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Moving the leaf springs inboard reduces the wheel rate about 10# per inch, so similar to running a lighter spring rate in the stock position.
Now, whether or not the butt dyno can feel a 30# rate change per side is highly subjective. Only in roll, to be clear? This would be in both ride and roll rate because the mounting location is altered, impacting the geometric formula. You are a member over many years I seldom ever disagree with, but this is one. Leaf spring location with a solid axle relative to the tire contact patch does not change spring rate in ride, as there is no motion ratio other the 1:1.
Reality check, that half the population is smarter then 50% of the people and it's a constantly contested fact.
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Re: 315 Square setup E-body `Cuda
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Summit $781/ea Brand:Pirelli Manufacturer's Part Number:2307500 Part Type:Tires Product Line:Pirelli P Zero Corsa System Tires Summit Racing Part Number:PIR-2307500 Wheel Diameter: 19 in. Tire Size: 355/30-19 Sidewall Style: Blackwall Tire Construction: Radial Tire Diameter: 27.40 in. Section Width: 14.00 in. Minimum Recommended Wheel Width: 12.00 in. Maximum Recommended Wheel Width: 13.00 in. Directional: No Speed Rating: Y Load Index: 99 Asymmetrical Tread Pattern: No UTQG Tread Wear Rating: 60 Traction Rating: AA Temperature Rating: A Tread Depth: 8/32 in. DOT-Approved: Yes Run-Flat Technology: No Tube Required: No Max Load Single (lbs): 1,709
Reality check, that half the population is smarter then 50% of the people and it's a constantly contested fact.
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Re: 315 Square setup E-body `Cuda
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You are a member over many years I seldom ever disagree with, but this is one.
Leaf spring location relative to the tire contact patch does not change spring rate in ride, as there is not motion ratio other the 1:1. There is an alteration to the motion ratio based on two possible variables; spring width and track width. D1= distance of spring width at housing mounting point D2= distance of track width at contact patch center Divide D1 by D2 for motion ratio. For those interested, taking this one step further; square the motion ratio, multiply by spring rate = wheel rate. Tightening or loosening the dynamics of this can be further altered by splayed mounting of the leafs, ala E body, that will loosen or tighten up a combo but that is getting in to more complex geometrics with the splay, leaf twist, and resulting wheelbase length alterations under compression/extension than I've ever played with.
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