Re: Valley Pan Paint
[Re: parksr5]
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03/18/17 01:55 AM
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there are no stupid questions. I would without a doubt paint it seperately & not get paint on the port openings relying instead on my choice of gasketing/sealer for sealing there. As you know std paint prep (prep is 90% of a successful job) & picking the correct paint/primer etc as needed (I ain't a painter).
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Re: Valley Pan Paint
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03/18/17 10:03 AM
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No paint on the ports.Since the 60s Ive never used paper on any intakes aluminum or iron.Just a bit of silicone in the 4 corners and a bit under the frt and rear hold downs.Never any problems.Rocky
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Re: Valley Pan Paint
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03/18/17 10:19 PM
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I would mockup & check the bolt hole alignment cuz with deck height tolerances stackup plus past milling You may need the gaskets just for best/correct alignment fitment (.015 and .030 are available).. Myself I prefer em for sealing but like Stump said many people including Ma did not use em (& even reused em) & have no issues.
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Re: Valley Pan Paint
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03/19/17 11:13 AM
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Somewhere I recall, Ma Mopar practiced this same tactic at one time. Not positive I am remembering correctly You are correct.
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Re: Valley Pan Paint
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There are also a bunch of guys that never used the paper gaskets and never had a problem. I'm one of them. Same here.
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Re: Valley Pan Paint
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Since the 60s Ive never took apart a factory intake that had paper.All were just the pans.Rock y
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Re: Valley Pan Paint
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Since the 60s Ive never took apart a factory intake that had paper.All were just the pans.Rock y Four in a set and they are not paper,what do you suppose these are for ?
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Re: Valley Pan Paint
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Since the 60s Ive never took apart a factory intake that had paper.All were just the pans.Rock Well the key word there is "factory" ... no paper gaskets used with iron intakes BUT Ma Mopar recommended them for ALL aluminum intakes. I suspect factory aluminum six packs would have had them.
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Re: Valley Pan Paint
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Ive run aluminum intakes since the 60s.Never a problem with just tins.My 440 now runs both heads and intake.Just tins no paper.been that way for at least 10 years.Rocky
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Re: Valley Pan Paint
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Since the 60s Ive never took apart a factory intake that had paper.All were just the pans.Rock Well the key word there is "factory" ... no paper gaskets used with iron intakes BUT Ma Mopar recommended them for ALL aluminum intakes. I suspect factory aluminum six packs would have had them. I have restored and owned several 69 1/2 road runners and bees. None have had anything but metal pan.
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Re: Valley Pan Paint
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They are included in case the heads or block have been shaved and are no longer in stock specs. With a stock set up Ma Mopar didn't need any paper gaskets and neither should you. Actually, if you shave the block & heads the paper gaskets won't even fit..... ask me how I know. I have run them WITHOUT the valley pan (I cut it so the metal around the intake ports is gone) & silicone the edge of the pan to the heads. I may be doing that again this summer.
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Re: Valley Pan Paint
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I have always used just the tin itself with cast iron heads with cast iron intake, aluminum intake and aluminum heads with aluminum intake. I did have to "port" the tin to match the cnc port work of my stealths. I use a little Permatex Right Stuff around each port. Never an issue....other than when my dumb a$$ torqued it down with the oil pressure wire under it! LOL!
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