Page 2 of 2 < 1 2
Topic Options
#2272168 - 03/19/17 03:06 AM Re: Video on the new Magnum Force F/M/J suspension upgrade. [Re: migsBIG]
MuuMuu101 Offline
I got lucky at Woodward!

Registered: 12/12/10
Posts: 12055
Loc: Covina, Ca
Any car that falls out of the scope of the two cars above must be overlooked by a smog referee as well. And they are strict. I believe we had a guy on the board swapping a Gen 1 or 2 Viper engine into a Dakota and the smog referee told him he needed to install 4 cats (2 per side) to be smog legal.
_________________________

68 Dart GT Project Thread: Linky!

Top
#2272202 - 03/19/17 08:33 AM Re: Video on the new Magnum Force F/M/J suspension upgrade. [Re: migsBIG]
Supercuda Offline
I Live Here

Registered: 09/04/07
Posts: 11623
Loc: West Texas

Top
#2272273 - 03/19/17 10:19 AM Re: Video on the new Magnum Force F/M/J suspension upgrade. [Re: Frankenduster]
Skeptic Offline
master

Registered: 01/20/03
Posts: 4062
Loc: The Pale Blue Dot
Originally Posted By Frankenduster
Also in CA, if the car only came with a 318, a 440 is still not a legal swap even if it is stock or has LESS measurable emissions than the 318.
The quicky dyno test is a joke compared to the FTP that they are certified on. That is why they need to pass the visual and functional tests first. The sniffer test is even more pathetic. I was a Test and Repair Smog for years and have done much work fixing cars since. If you really want to go there just get the GM 50 state legal LS swap engine. That would fit well, or just take a Gen3 Hemi out of a later car and swap the whole damn thing in. WIN-WIN classic looks with a far better drivetrain. Those F bodies- and frankly ALL American made car were crap in the late 70's. Even in Cali they are rare sight; overweight, slow and no collectable value. Seems more like putting lipstick-very expensive lipstick, on a pig. twocents
_________________________
"Talking tough is easy when it's other people's evil and you're judging what they do or don't believe" Mike Cooley / Drive-By Truckers Razor and Tie Music (BMI)

Top
#2272401 - 03/19/17 01:49 PM Re: Video on the new Magnum Force F/M/J suspension upgrade. [Re: migsBIG]
TC@HP2 Offline
master

Registered: 01/23/03
Posts: 4725
Loc: Pikes Peak Country
Sure, in stock form, most these old cars suck. The FJM cars will respond to the same mods applied to all the earlier cars and can be made to be quite fast and powerful. My last Aspen ran low 12s in Denver, which was a good measure better than more desireble muscle era cars turning 14-18s. And I accomplished it for a quarter of the price, so it all depends on what you want.

Even with their current rising prices, they can still provide a means to V8, RWD performance for less than a 2nd mortgage. While they are not everyone's cup of tea, and aren't regulated everywhere like they are in CA, that's fine. If we were all alike, we'd all have mustangs.

Top
#2272404 - 03/19/17 01:57 PM Re: Video on the new Magnum Force F/M/J suspension upgrade. [Re: 67autocross]
MarkM Offline
top fuel

Registered: 01/13/05
Posts: 2000
Loc: USA, MI
Originally Posted By 67autocross
If it was made out of balsa wood and paper mache it would be still better than the factory FJM front suspension.


I can believe that if there wasn't aftermarket torsion bars and steering boxes available for these. Traverse-t cars have every bit the same aftermarket support as a B body now a days.

My M has the FF 300# bars in it, a Borgeson box, FF tubular upper arms, solid K isolators, cop bars and modern tires. It out handles a lot of new vehicles.

**Edit - quoted wrong post **


Edited by MarkM (03/20/17 08:58 AM)
_________________________
'87 Fifth Avenue / 512 low deck roller / 518 / 8.75


Top
#2272696 - 03/19/17 10:42 PM Re: Video on the new Magnum Force F/M/J suspension upgrade. [Re: Frankenduster]
Jim_Lusk Offline
I Live Here

Registered: 03/18/03
Posts: 17025
Loc: Fresno, CA
Originally Posted By Frankenduster
Also in CA, if the car only came with a 318, a 440 is still not a legal swap even if it is stock or has LESS measureable emissions than the 318.


It is perfectly legal as long as the 440 is the same year or newer than the vehicle AND retains the original emissions equipment for the 440.

Top
#2272754 - 03/20/17 12:44 AM Re: Video on the new Magnum Force F/M/J suspension upgrade. [Re: migsBIG]
Frankenduster Offline
Moparts proctologist

Registered: 02/15/10
Posts: 14355
Loc: Granite Bay CA
I thought the swap was only legal if the 440 was an optional engine in the car.

Top
#2272763 - 03/20/17 01:00 AM Re: Video on the new Magnum Force F/M/J suspension upgrade. [Re: Frankenduster]
MuuMuu101 Offline
I got lucky at Woodward!

Registered: 12/12/10
Posts: 12055
Loc: Covina, Ca
Originally Posted By Frankenduster
I thought the swap was only legal if the 440 was an optional engine in the car.


Nope, you could put any brand, any make so long as it's newer and has the original emissions equipment. If it doesn't have the original emissions equipment, it has to be inspected by a smog referee.
_________________________

68 Dart GT Project Thread: Linky!

Top
#2272768 - 03/20/17 01:13 AM Re: Video on the new Magnum Force F/M/J suspension upgrade. [Re: Frankenduster]
Jim_Lusk Offline
I Live Here

Registered: 03/18/03
Posts: 17025
Loc: Fresno, CA
Originally Posted By Frankenduster
I thought the swap was only legal if the 440 was an optional engine in the car.


Nope, any engine from any manufacturer, but must be the same year or newer and retain the original emissions equipment. Now, we did a 5.2 Magnum swap into an '84 Ramcharger, but it would have been no different to do a 5.9 or even a 5.7, 6.1, LS1, etc. A swap like that must go to a referee who does not determine if the car is clean, but that it has all the correct equipment. They make a new sticker for the vehicle. In our case the Ramcharger would forever be smogged as a '96 Dakota. Then a smog station determines if all is working.

Top
#2272776 - 03/20/17 02:07 AM Re: Video on the new Magnum Force F/M/J suspension upgrade. [Re: migsBIG]
Frankenduster Offline
Moparts proctologist

Registered: 02/15/10
Posts: 14355
Loc: Granite Bay CA
Hmmm, well that actually seems okay. Who would expect California laws to make sense ????

Top
#2272852 - 03/20/17 08:57 AM Re: Video on the new Magnum Force F/M/J suspension upgrade. [Re: migsBIG]
Supercuda Offline
I Live Here

Registered: 09/04/07
Posts: 11623
Loc: West Texas
My understanding is that pass car swaps require pass car engines, not truck engines. At some point the emissions certifications were different with trucks getting more slack hence the requirement.

Top
#2274953 - 03/23/17 05:10 PM Re: Video on the new Magnum Force F/M/J suspension upgrade. [Re: MarkM]
TC@HP2 Offline
master

Registered: 01/23/03
Posts: 4725
Loc: Pikes Peak Country
Originally Posted By MarkM
I can believe that if there wasn't aftermarket torsion bars and steering boxes available for these. Traverse-t cars have every bit the same aftermarket support as a B body now a days.

My M has the FF 300# bars in it, a Borgeson box, FF tubular upper arms, solid K isolators, cop bars and modern tires. It out handles a lot of new vehicles.


Yes, but the price on the FJM bars is twice that is the straight bar systems. Plus, you still have the t-bar acting as both spring and locating device, which creates some really weird bump steer characteristics. There also is the weight of the whole thing to consider too.

I'd go coil over in my F cars if I still had them. But I think i'd be inclined to make my own. $5-6k for a suspension system just seems crazy expensive to me.

Top
Page 2 of 2 < 1 2

Advertisement
Sponsored Link
Forum Stats
24,679 Registered Members
32 Forums
182,384 Topics
2,098,513 Posts

Most users ever online: 882 @ 03/05/17 10:15 PM
Moparts Newest Topics
1975 Plymouth Duster
by Neil
06/29/17 09:56 AM
The forgotten generation of Challengers
by Neil
06/29/17 09:53 AM
70 B-Body pittman arm
by CKessel
06/29/17 09:53 AM
Carlisle Moparts Tent
by moparts
06/29/17 09:27 AM