So, another $1000 over a set of rpm heads(which are more than enough head for what the OP is saying he wants).

Not that you could use that $1000 for other stuff........ like rockers, or a carb and intake manifold, or new headers........ Nah..... What was I thinking?

I love all this talk about "potential", like it's a given the car will progress to a point where the more expensive heads would really start to show their stuff(and a point where the rpm heads would be "obsolete"........ Yet people have been running 10's with them since they came out).
Again, following this reasoning, why is anyone wasting their money of the new 240cc TF BB heads for their street strip builds when so many other heads have more "potential".

I mean c'mon....... We're talking 12's here.
Reworked stock heads will easily get the job done.
EQ heads, RHS heads, RPM heads, Promaxx heads...... Any of these "performance replacement" heads are more than capable of doing the job as well.
Pick your poison. In this application I would choose the RPM heads.

I'm sure the BPE heads would get the job done also......I'm just not convinced that at the stock stroke 400-450hp level that they would actually be $1000 better enough to make much difference on the time slip.

I gave up on this thread after the first two sentences.
"LET'S CLEAR THE AIR ON SB HEAD CHOICES!"
I want to run 12's with a .030 360.

Great. Buy pro-comps off ebay, go have fun.

But you really wasted a perfectly good thread title.

Allow me to hand everyone a big box of kleenex!
Get a G3.
Stock with a cam and factory headers.
There, did that clear the air!?
Lol

Great. Buy pro-comps off ebay, go have fun.

But you really wasted a perfectly good thread title.



Pathetic Reply.

Like what FABO has in there racer section as a sticky.
I think it would be a good thing to do since it would help anybody looking at it for a little help or wondering what it takes to run the time. 1/8 or 1/4. It could help those interested with a parts list. Then they can decide from there.

Thread titles are simple and a complete listing of the cars parts along with time slip info would be huge!

It would help get other MoPar's out there quicker with fewer mistakes and time.

(12's can be done with stock iron heads... bowl ported.....)

Nice opinion, from the King of Pathetic Replies. Once again, you win that category hands down.


I pretty much said the same thing Mr. Porter did, just with less words and more sarcasm.





Now. If, in 2017, you are building a stock stroke 78 360 to run 12's in a gutted M-body, I'm thinking you are trying to do this as cheap as possible. But, I just went to EBAY and AMAZON and apparently all these Pro Comp dealers have lost their minds, and think they can price them within a hundred dollars of EDELBROCKS.

Yes similar to "for A bodies only" site

https://www.forabodiesonly.com/mopar/forums/mopar-racers-forum.74/


Example>

My '71 340 Cuda 3500lb+, stock 340, (probably only 9.5:1 w/.039 fel-pro's), stock 2.02 heads no porting, ok a big .590 purple solid, HSD int., 850DP, 1.75" race hdrs, 4200, 4.30's went 12.39@108 na = 365 on track hp....this drove fine on the street apart from highway driving......max rpm 6200 on track.

There has been many good suggestions. I was really after people's experiences with all the head options for a street strip car. I thought by putting some parameters on what I have and what I wanted to do would have made it perfectly clear.So, for all that made good suggestions, I came up with a solution. Hughes Engines has a LA X head. 1.92/2.02 intake with some bowl blending. Bolt patterns for all accessories, cast iron in case I blow a hose and get hot and better flow than stock. Again, to all that had good suggestions, THANKS.

Billy I was referring to the pro comp suggestion, considering the closeness in price, nothing more.

Procomps are a good disposable head if they were cheap in price.

The X heads from Hughes are certainly capable of doing the job here.

However..........

They are heavier than stock heads, have pretty short springs, and if you're buying "prepped" assembled heads from Hughes, are likely about the same price as RPM heads, which are way lighter, and have a taller spring height(so there are more spring options available, should you need something stiffer than the supplied springs down the road).

It's just personal preference.
The X heads are plenty good to get you to your goals.

What ever happened to Doctor J ( Pro-comp )? Last I heard was something on Yellowbullit about him and a divorce but that was a long time ago.

I think MoparBilly is the only guy on this board that got a set?

Just checked my paperwork. Hard to believe I got my Dr. J's Performance AirWolf 220's on 8/22/13. These were Bryce Mulvey's CNC program ran on Pro Comp castings. Bryce was a great promoter for his product, but a POS as a business man, and many people got screwed on this deal. As such, I can not in good conscience brag about the product.
I was told my heads were from "The second pallet" of castings he received. I have no idea how many heads come on a pallet, and it wasn't long after I got mine that he closed up shop. I would think that means 25 to 35 sets made it out the door at least?

To those who question the quality of the castings: I've completed three Drag Weeks, which means over three thousand street miles, and the engine runs at 210 degrees most of the time, and has survived jaunts of fifty miles or more at 230+. If the castings were suspect, I would have had a problem by now.


Back when these hit the market all the guys porting Edelbrock RPMs claimed they could get similar numbers "If they max ported them". Oddly no one advertises numbers from RPMs in that range, and once the AirWolfs went away none of those guys felt the need to try and max out their port work to compete.

Then along comes the BPE heads. 205CC with a standard rocker, and to get to 220CC we are forced to an offset rocker.

Now, my engine builder, Brian at IMM, an unapologetic proponent of ported Edelbrocks, told me with a smile, "Those Airwolfs don't flow quite as well as Bryce claimed", but he didn't give me numbers. Then when I was asking Rod Bloomer face to face on DW this year why he didn't make the intake port bigger on the standard rocker head, he smiled and said "Billy, I've flowed one of those AirWolfs on my own bench, and they aren't as good as Bryce claimed", once again, no numbers.

Bottom line, I got 615 HP @ 6600 rpm on 428 inches with a 600 lift flat tappet cam. Most guys with Edelbrock RPMs at that level are running a roller cam, which adds considerable expense to the build.

I considered Indy 360-1s for my build, but wanted to avoid the offset rocker, also I kept getting reports from racers who were using the 245 CNC versions that were leaking water.

I re-used the same set of Crane gold rockers that were on my car when I bought it and have had zero issues, my friend with W-2s and a roller had to send his intake rockers back to T&D for a rebuild after only two Drag Weeks, that is one example of why I'm trying to avoid offset rockers and a roller cam.


Back to general "Clearing the Air".
The Edelbrock RPMs are very versatile, popular, and durable castings with a great reputation. They usually bring 75-80% of retail on the used market, and the few that hit the market are gone quick, so that should be a consideration.

Are the BPE heads available in a 48 degree version? I bought a 48 degree R block in January, and I need some heads for it. I was thinking about the Indy 360-1, or -2, but I've heard bad things about customer service there. It's also a custom order to get them modified for the 48 degree block, and I think it's an extra $1100.

Are there any other options for 48 degree heads besides finding a set of old W2's? I'd like to build a street/strip stroker that I could put in my '69 Dart GT and take on Drag Week. Thinking about something in the 408 - 426" range, NA.

Still the best suggestion for the $ and what the OP wants to accomplish. Nothing in his original post about buying heads to be able to run 11's / 10's in the future. Easy to suggest that though, when it aint your $!

It would be easier to put on a set of W-9s

I would get a set of W8 or W9 heads and not look back. Best wedge heads for a small block Chrysler out there.

There is a nice set of W9 all Cnc ported for sale in the small block engines part they need seats and guides that's how most heads come Tim Davis did the port work the price is hard to beat

I know they have made 48 degree W-2 heads but they are pretty rare.

I would check with Ryan Johnson at Shady Dell Speed Shop about Indy options. He is a dealer and can do any mods you might like. I would never recommend anyone deal directly with Indy.

Ryan did an engine for a guy on Drag Week that I think was a 48 degree R-3 with Indy heads and it was very quick. I am not sure what rockers were on it. It was a pristine light green Demon. His first name was Paul, last name escapes me right now. I don't think he is on this board but if so maybe he will speak up.

One down side for some folks on the W-9s is that I think Jesel and T&D are the only rockers available. However great stuff.

Good luck!

Bill

Maybe, maybe not.
IMO, it would depend on if you can do the post-purchase work yourself(or have a friend who can do it really cheap), or if you're going to have to pay another shop to disassemble the heads, do the porting, clean and check everything, and put them back together.
From what ive seen, the valve jobs from Aerohead can be pretty "iffy".
If someone brings me a set of heads to work on, and they want them back assembled and "ready to run", and the valve job sucks....... For me to be the last shop to work on them, if I'm putting them together to run, they're going to get "fixed".

I can see where someone could easily spend another $400-500 on some rebuilt Aerohead heads if they bring them to another shop for some porting and a look over.

If you can do the additional work yourself, and aren't too fussy about the valve job, then I agree that starting with some rebuilt Aeroheads is probably the least expensive way to get there.