Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Page 5 of 5 1 2 3 4 5
Re: Bad battery cause of a rough idle? [Re: Supercuda] #2308190
05/20/17 10:08 PM
05/20/17 10:08 PM
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 1,261
Phoenix, AZ
B
Belvedere1 Offline OP
pro stock
Belvedere1  Offline OP
pro stock
B

Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 1,261
Phoenix, AZ
I have used a vacuum gauge when setting idle mixture screws. I can 10 out of it which is as good as it gets. It does stay at steady 10 in Park at idle of 1100 RPM. In gear, the RPM will drop to around 850 and then dance around a little from there.

Re: Bad battery cause of a rough idle? [Re: Belvedere1] #2308315
05/21/17 02:25 AM
05/21/17 02:25 AM
Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 10,198
Someplace you aren't
S
SomeCarGuy Offline
I Live Here
SomeCarGuy  Offline
I Live Here
S

Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 10,198
Someplace you aren't
I haven't read this all but will throw out there you may need to drill small holes in the primaries to get it down on the idle circuit. I wouldn't be surprised at 1100 if you were on the main circuit.


I want my fair share
Re: Bad battery cause of a rough idle? [Re: Belvedere1] #2308352
05/21/17 07:58 AM
05/21/17 07:58 AM
Joined: Jul 2013
Posts: 1,272
Northern Calyfornua
S
Sxrxrnr Offline
pro stock
Sxrxrnr  Offline
pro stock
S

Joined: Jul 2013
Posts: 1,272
Northern Calyfornua
Perhaps I have missed it, where is our initial ignition timing? Are throttle butterflies at idle so far open to cause you carb to be running in transition circuit instead of idle circuit. A simple test is to adjust idle mixture screws,,,,does this cause significant difference in idle speed? Crank initial timing up to say 15 to 20 degrees which will likely increase idle speed, then adjust speed back to normal using carb idle speed adjuster, with screw idle mixture screws out from all the way in, out say to 1.5 turns...Any improvement?

Have you tried earlier recommendation to bypass ignition wiring by jumping directly to coil from battery.

Your idle vacuum reading is extremely low unless some crazy camshaft. ,,are you certain of no major vacuum leaks,,,,power brake booster,,,intake to head, cracks in intake manifold. I've even run a garden hose on low pressure on a running engine and been surprised by what I have found.

Any bad cylinders,,,pull plug wires one at a time with engine idling best it can with vacuum gauge connected. Any cylinders with zero change in vacuum reading?

Carb float levels ok?

Re: Bad battery cause of a rough idle? [Re: Sxrxrnr] #2308828
05/21/17 11:18 PM
05/21/17 11:18 PM
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 1,261
Phoenix, AZ
B
Belvedere1 Offline OP
pro stock
Belvedere1  Offline OP
pro stock
B

Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 1,261
Phoenix, AZ
Initial is at 20. Its a 254 @ 50 solid. Idle screws are 1.5 turns out. That is where is get best vacuum #'s and as steady of an idle as it will get.

I did not do the jump to the coil test. The brake booster is ran of an external pump. No card base leaks or intake leaks using the brake cleaner spray test. No dead cylinders, it runs way too good to have a dead hole. Float levels have been raised to 7/16". Like I said it pulls hard and clean to redline.

Re: Bad battery cause of a rough idle? [Re: Belvedere1] #2308926
05/22/17 06:26 AM
05/22/17 06:26 AM
Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 20,622
in a cattle trailer down by th...
G
Guitar Jones Offline
Paddle faster! I hear banjo music!
Guitar Jones  Offline
Paddle faster! I hear banjo music!
G

Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 20,622
in a cattle trailer down by th...
The first thing I would have done was throw that POS carb in the trash and put a good Holly on it. I like the ones with the down leg boosters instead of the straight leg boosters.


"Follow me the wise man said, but he walked behind"


'92 D250 Club Cab CTD, 47RH conversion, pump tweaks, injectors, rear disc and hydroboost conversion.
'74 W200 Crew Cab 360, NV4500, D44, D60 and NP205 divorced transfer case. Rear disc and hydroboost coming soon!
2019 1500 Long Horn Crew Cab 4WD, 5.7 Hemi.
Re: Bad battery cause of a rough idle? [Re: Belvedere1] #2309123
05/22/17 03:13 PM
05/22/17 03:13 PM
Joined: Jul 2013
Posts: 1,272
Northern Calyfornua
S
Sxrxrnr Offline
pro stock
Sxrxrnr  Offline
pro stock
S

Joined: Jul 2013
Posts: 1,272
Northern Calyfornua
Meter voltage at plus side of coil when engine is cold, and again when warm. Should be at 12 volts unless you have a ballast resistor,,,about 9 volts then. Does it change between hot and cold, if not I would not suspect battery. Might suspect ballast if you have one,,,or other ignition components, wiring, connectors etc.,,,,hence recommendation to jump from battery plus to coil plus just to eliminate any possibility here. A defective coil could be at fault if begins to fail due to internal heat or as engine warms.

I might measure again when in park and when in drive. Change? If voltage decreases when in gear,,,could be battery if slowed down idle decreases a marginal alternator's output sufficiently.

Can we assume that non idle performance is as you expect,earlier post is a bit murky on this point. If so, I would lean more to a carb problem. Again ask where are butterflies in relation to transition circuit? 2 1/2 turns out on carb idle mixture screws sound excessive,,,what happens when screwed further in,,,,really close in or closed engine should die. If not,,,I am very curious as to butterfly position,,indicating if engine not running on idle circuit of carb at idle but on cruise circuit.

When running engine from fresh cold start and idling at what you assert of is about 1,200 rpm, I assume that you are not running on fast idle cam of carb. If not can you manually force carb butterflies toward closing. Spray a little wd 40 at carb and cable linkage to ensure no friction that may disappear as engine warms. I would likely disconnect accelerator linkage to eliminate this from equation.

Re: Bad battery cause of a rough idle? [Re: Sxrxrnr] #2309499
05/23/17 01:10 AM
05/23/17 01:10 AM
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 1,261
Phoenix, AZ
B
Belvedere1 Offline OP
pro stock
Belvedere1  Offline OP
pro stock
B

Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 1,261
Phoenix, AZ
I do have a ballast resistor. I even replaced with a spare as it was getting a few years on it. I'll do that test here in a day or two and see what I find. I'll try a spare coil on there too, currently using an MSD blaster.

I'm at 1.5 turns out on the mixture screws. Not running on fast idle cam, I gutted the choke mechanism quite a while back. The linkage is free and the throttle shafts are also good. My guess is that its right on the edge of idle/main circuit given the idle rpm. Again, in gear it fluctuates around 800 or so. The battery is new and the alternator tested fine also.

Re: Bad battery cause of a rough idle? [Re: Belvedere1] #2309592
05/23/17 06:17 AM
05/23/17 06:17 AM
Joined: Jul 2013
Posts: 1,272
Northern Calyfornua
S
Sxrxrnr Offline
pro stock
Sxrxrnr  Offline
pro stock
S

Joined: Jul 2013
Posts: 1,272
Northern Calyfornua
Has car ever run well at idle with current engine/torque converter configuration? If so, when did it cease to do so?

Have you changed to another stall speed convertor? You have indicated that idle is fine in park or neutral, but falls way back when transmission is placed into gear. Any chance that torque converter is too tight for your engine cam/carb/etc configuration? Perhaps forcing you to adjust idle speed higher, thereby placing butterflies at idle past transition zone into cruise where your mixture screws have little consequence.

I had seen earlier post where your mixture screws were more than 2 turns out.

Re: Bad battery cause of a rough idle? [Re: Belvedere1] #2309720
05/23/17 12:39 PM
05/23/17 12:39 PM
Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 36,040
Lincoln Nebraska
R
RapidRobert Offline
Circle Track
RapidRobert  Offline
Circle Track
R

Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 36,040
Lincoln Nebraska
Quote:
I do have an old AFB I could throw on there
I would


live every 24 hour block of time like it's your last day on earth
Re: Bad battery cause of a rough idle? [Re: Sxrxrnr] #2309799
05/23/17 02:38 PM
05/23/17 02:38 PM
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 1,261
Phoenix, AZ
B
Belvedere1 Offline OP
pro stock
Belvedere1  Offline OP
pro stock
B

Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 1,261
Phoenix, AZ
The convertor is a 9.5 PTC that was spec'd for car, cam, gear, etc. It has never had a good idle to be honest. Its been in there as long as I have had this motor combo together. At that time I did have the screws out 2 turns but have since went back to the 1.5 setting. I'm going to see where I can get some race gas and try that next along with electrical checks. Thanks, I appreciate the help.

Page 5 of 5 1 2 3 4 5






Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.1