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Re: Challanger Demon [Re: BradH] #2286677
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Originally Posted By BradH
[quote=rickseeman]It's a good time to be an independently wealthy Mopar man.

Updated to reflect reality for the majority of the people on here.

Love the car -- well, except for the fender flairs -- but it's a total effing pipe dream for most folks.[/quote) The 1970 Hemi Cuda's were probably pretty expensive when they came out also. Especially the insurance.


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Re: Challanger Demon [Re: D-50] #2286701
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Originally Posted By D-50
Originally Posted By BradH
[quote=rickseeman]It's a good time to be an independently wealthy Mopar man.

Updated to reflect reality for the majority of the people on here.

Love the car -- well, except for the fender flairs -- but it's a total effing pipe dream for most folks.[/quote) The 1970 Hemi Cuda's were probably pretty expensive when they came out also. Especially the insurance.


Kinda the thought that came to mind for me too. Not that many people had the scratch for Hemi, Boss, or L-88 cars either.


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Re: Challanger Demon [Re: slantzilla] #2286898
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Originally Posted By slantzilla
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It's a good time to be an independently wealthy Mopar man.

Updated to reflect reality for the majority of the people on here.

Love the car -- well, except for the fender flairs -- but it's a total effing pipe dream for most folks.
The 1970 Hemi Cuda's were probably pretty expensive when they came out also. Especially the insurance.


Kinda the thought that came to mind for me too. Not that many people had the scratch for Hemi, Boss, or L-88 cars either.

Understood, but a '69 Hemi Road Runner wasn't twice the price of a '69 440 6 BBL Road Runner, whereas the new SRT Demon is going to be about twice what a Scat Pack Challenger costs. A Hellcat is probably closer in your analogy, though I'm not sure that's even an accurate comparison.

Re: Challanger Demon [Re: MR_P_BODY] #2286966
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I also look at it this way, IF you have to be the first to have one you'll pay a lot more than if you wait. Dodge was only going to produce what, 1500 Hellcats? First in line paid a premium, and cars are sitting on lots unsold now because they really made 3300. Patience will be a virtue...... laugh2


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Re: Challanger Demon [Re: MR_P_BODY] #2287011
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My uncle ( by marriage) bought a '68 Road runner brand new. I asked why he didn't get the hemi. He said it was $800 on a $3,000 car....


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Re: Challanger Demon [Re: MR_P_BODY] #2287020
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This car is freaking awesome, but just to put things into perspective, this isn't a "muscle car". It is really a high end exotic for the price that people are speculating it will sell for.

Let's take a look at something. In 1969 a COPO or YENKO camaro, the Hellcat Demon of its day, sold for around $4000 at a time when average annual household incomes were around $6000

Today, the hellcat demon will likely sell for almost 100k at a time when average annual household incomes are around $55k. LOL

Granted, this is the kind of inflation we have seen throughout the whole automotive industry, but still.

I think this car is great, and I would love to own one if I had the money, but I think the fact that it doesn't seem to even be trying to be a great all around car or a top competitor in the handling department kind of takes away from the accomplishment a little bit. If you are just looking to go fast in a straight line, you could build a 9 second car for a hell of a lot cheaper with mostly any late model platform these days. Building something like a Z06 vette that runs 10's, runs down italian super cars on road race tracks, gets 22mpg on the highway and can be comfortably daily driven is far more difficult. While the hellcat is clearly the king of its domain, I feel like the accomplishment for the price tag doesn't impress me as much with it being a one trick pony.

I'd much rather put that engine/drivetrain in my 1970 challenger if I was only looking for 1/4 mile performance.

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Re: Challanger Demon [Re: 1mean340] #2287098
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this car leaves me speechless. i applaud mopar's bravado and gumption. amazing. for all the chumps who actually complain about this thing, you gotta be kidding me. and if given the choice, i would go for a charger hellcat. seriously? a four door sedan that'll do over TWO HUNDRED MILES PER HOUR. in total comfort. these are the best of times. let us join now in celebration...


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Re: Challanger Demon [Re: MattW] #2287099
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Originally Posted By MattW


Get them will you can cuz I do believe the writing is in the wall.
Matt

i totally agree with this. there is no way this can go much further before "reset"...


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Re: Challanger Demon [Re: BradH] #2287109
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Originally Posted By BradH
Good news: If I raid my kids college fund and break open a piggybank or two, I can buy one outright.

Bad news: My wife & kids would make me seriously regret having done it before the engine cooled off after the first drive home from the dealership.

Just checked... NOPE, nothing's changed w/ the above assessment. haha

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Originally Posted By BradH
Originally Posted By BradH
Good news: If I raid my kids college fund and break open a piggybank or two, I can buy one outright.

Bad news: My wife & kids would make me seriously regret having done it before the engine cooled off after the first drive home from the dealership.

Just checked... NOPE, nothing's changed w/ the above assessment. haha


Your in a Demon why go home lol

Re: Challanger Demon [Re: maximum entropy] #2287184
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Originally Posted By maximum entropy
this car leaves me speechless. i applaud mopar's bravado and gumption. amazing. for all the chumps who actually complain about this thing, you gotta be kidding me. and if given the choice, i would go for a charger hellcat. seriously? a four door sedan that'll do over TWO HUNDRED MILES PER HOUR. in total comfort. these are the best of times. let us join now in celebration...


A fender flared Charger is coming - unknown if it'll be packing the Demon motor though.


Re: Challanger Demon [Re: SRT6776] #2287198
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I'll never own one.. I just wont pay the price
tag.. I couldnt afford it anyhow.. my buddies son
just bought a mustang thats got a blower on it...
a factory stock car.. he took it into a well known
hot rod shop locally and he guarantees it to put
690 to 708hp to the rear tires.. and thats not the
maxed out version of it.. this will still have a
factory warranty
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Re: Challanger Demon [Re: MR_P_BODY] #2287201
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Tim was asked at the show if will be doing a demon charger....he flat said "NO"
Not sure why put flares on the charger to make a wide body (it's not just a bolt on kit) they can't sell the low production built charger they have
The charger would not have anywhere near the sales it has (not just hellcat) if it was not for police taxi/fleet vehicles


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The regular hellcats are getting flares to fit 305's for better traction - I assume that's what it is.

Re: Challanger Demon [Re: MR_P_BODY] #2287442
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Wonder if the Demon PCM/other goodies (transbrake, torque reserve etc) will work/be put on the Hellcats?

Re: Challanger Demon [Re: BobR] #2287495
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New "muscle cars" give the best of both worlds.

There are only OLD "muscle cars, but ONLY NEW Performance Cars"

No "New Muscle Cars".

But there ARE "Old Performance Cars".

"Muscle Car": Those marketed and/or sold to race orientated buyers, OR the younger/not so wealthy car enthusiast of the era.

"Performance Car"; By today's marketing scheme; jamb as much performance equipment AND also the "luxury" items into it & sell for high $$$. Thus maximizing profit.

Thoughts???

Re: Challanger Demon [Re: MR_P_BODY] #2287502
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The game has changed.
Today's car buyers insist on power windows, seats, a killer stereo etc. Even the el-cheapo "economy" cars come with a/c and cruise standard.
Look at the selling points for the collector muscle cars. 2 data plates means twice the money because of the options that are now standard equipment.
And regulations play a big part. Think of how fast this thing would be if they could drop all the airbags out and still get it insured. That said, it is an amazing piece of engineering but I wouldn't want to drive one at 140+ on the track without a roll cage!


It may be ugly, but it sure is slow.

Girls comb their hair in rear view mirrors and the boys try to look so hard....
Re: Challanger Demon [Re: WO23Coronet] #2287532
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Originally Posted By WO23Coronet
Wonder if the Demon PCM/other goodies (transbrake, torque reserve etc) will work/be put on the Hellcats?


This is what I'm thinking also.
I'll go a step further. Let's hope the release the 6.2 hellcat reg with trans and a unlocked PCM. Hell I'll take a regular 6.4 with the 8sp trand and ECM for under 10G.
That would send shock waves in the Hot rod business.
Matt

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here's another vid. https://youtu.be/N6fc_LZLWfI

Re: Challanger Demon [Re: MR_P_BODY] #2287619
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The Chevy fan bois seem to be experiencing great butthurt. Good job Dodge! boogie


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