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'68 383 Dart Engine Paint Question - Now Painted - #2215965
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Sorry, I know this has been covered at some time, but I just cant find it via searching. Wish I would have bookmarked it.

I am trying to assemble what needs to be on the engine for painting on my '68 383 Dart. I need some reference photos of what is correct. Hoping Rhino comes to the rescue.

Passenger side engine mount bracket and rubber, engine color?
Drivers side engine mount bracket and rubber, black?
Dipstick tube, bare? Since it is bolted to the rear bracket mount, I am thinking the tube may be not painted?
Fuel pump, engine color?
Temp sender, oil pressure switch, engine color?
Anything else bolt on that needs to be on before paint?

Thanks!

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Since no replies yet, adding to the questions.

I have see some negative battery cables attached to the block on the bolt for the throttle return spring and also on the water pump housing on one of the accessory mounting holes.
I am thinking the throttle return spring bolt is correct. I would think this is a more solid ground point and what Dodge would do. Water pump housing would create more resistance, IMHO.

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Originally Posted By njmopar
Sorry, I know this has been covered at some time, but I just cant find it via searching. Wish I would have bookmarked it.

I am trying to assemble what needs to be on the engine for painting on my '68 383 Dart. I need some reference photos of what is correct. Hoping Rhino comes to the rescue.

Passenger side engine mount bracket and rubber, engine color? No - Black
Drivers side engine mount bracket and rubber, black? Yes - same as other mount
Dipstick tube, bare? Since it is bolted to the rear bracket mount, I am thinking the tube may be not painted?
Fuel pump, engine color? Yes
Temp sender not painted,
oil pressure switch - only if it is the small non oil pressure gauge sender...if it is the small one, mask off the terminal area before engine painting.
Anything else bolt on that needs to be on before paint?
Exhaust manifolds.....spark plugs (masked off)

Thanks!

Re: '68 383 Dart Engine Paint Question [Re: FJ5_Fish] #2217371
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Originally Posted By FJ5_Fish
Originally Posted By njmopar
Sorry, I know this has been covered at some time, but I just cant find it via searching. Wish I would have bookmarked it.

I am trying to assemble what needs to be on the engine for painting on my '68 383 Dart. I need some reference photos of what is correct. Hoping Rhino comes to the rescue.

Passenger side engine mount bracket and rubber, engine color? No - Black
Drivers side engine mount bracket and rubber, black? Yes - same as other mount
Dipstick tube, bare? Since it is bolted to the rear bracket mount, I am thinking the tube may be not painted?
Fuel pump, engine color? Yes
Temp sender not painted,
oil pressure switch - only if it is the small non oil pressure gauge sender...if it is the small one, mask off the terminal area before engine painting.
Anything else bolt on that needs to be on before paint?
Exhaust manifolds.....spark plugs (masked off)

Thanks!


I agree with passenger side bracket black, but I have seen the drivers side painted engine color.
Dipstick tube can be bare or painted, seen both. I always paint because I don't like bare parts rusting.
Fuel pump painted engine color if going for OEM.
The oil sender is painted but I hate that.
Negative cable is bolted to the open bolt hole on the head near the intake..

See the 69 engine mount below from the GTS registry

http://www.gtsregistry1969.com/ref383motormount.jpg

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Re: '68 383 Dart Engine Paint Question [Re: FJ5_Fish] #2217374
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Thanks for the feedback. Would have figured the temp sensor was in before paint, but easy enough to remove now.
For the negative cable, agree on the throttle bracket? If yes, over or under the bracket? Over goes towards the water pump housing and under goes up towards the valve cover. I tried both ways and both look good. The lug end fits fine either way.

Oh and then the negative ground strap on passenger rear. I would think this is installed before paint as well. Need to find that cable in my stash.....

Amazing, all the photos I have taken over the years, you would think I could get a consensus on these things. Every engine compartment looks different now that I study them.

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Under throttle bracket

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Water pump

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Re: '68 383 Dart Engine Paint Question [Re: njmopar] #2217665
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I will bow to Jim on the one engine bracket may be painted....being a big block A-Body - this may have been the procedure. All other V8's - except Hemi were black.

Negative cable under throttle return bracket.
Rear ground cable was on engine when engine was painted - lug for firewall was masked off.

I'm thinking the dipstick tube should be un-painted.

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I don't agree that the negative cable is attached above the spring bracket, should be in the bolt hole in the head NEAR the spring bracket.


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Originally Posted By Rhinodart
I don't agree that the negative cable is attached above the spring bracket, should be in the bolt hole in the head NEAR the spring bracket.

Which bolt hole? The only hole near this area has the spring bracket tab sticking in it.

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Originally Posted By njmopar
Originally Posted By Rhinodart
I don't agree that the negative cable is attached above the spring bracket, should be in the bolt hole in the head NEAR the spring bracket.

Which bolt hole? The only hole near this area has the spring bracket tab sticking in it.


Should be the intake manifold bolt


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Originally Posted By njmopar
Thanks for the feedback. Would have figured the temp sensor was in before paint, but easy enough to remove now.
For the negative cable, agree on the throttle bracket? If yes, over or under the bracket? Over goes towards the water pump housing and under goes up towards the valve cover. I tried both ways and both look good. The lug end fits fine either way.

Oh and then the negative ground strap on passenger rear. I would think this is installed before paint as well. Need to find that cable in my stash.....

Amazing, all the photos I have taken over the years, you would think I could get a consensus on these things. Every engine compartment looks different now that I study them.


If I'm mistaken the emissions tag on your car is on the wrong side


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Originally Posted By njmopar
Thanks for the feedback. Would have figured the temp sensor was in before paint, but easy enough to remove now.
For the negative cable, agree on the throttle bracket? If yes, over or under the bracket? Over goes towards the water pump housing and under goes up towards the valve cover. I tried both ways and both look good. The lug end fits fine either way.

Oh and then the negative ground strap on passenger rear. I would think this is installed before paint as well. Need to find that cable in my stash.....

Amazing, all the photos I have taken over the years, you would think I could get a consensus on these things. Every engine compartment looks different now that I study them.



I do have a question, do you have the console tach? If so that wire coming out of the fire wall withe the gray female spade, where does that go?


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Originally Posted By Rhinodart
Originally Posted By FJ5_Fish
Originally Posted By njmopar
Sorry, I know this has been covered at some time, but I just cant find it via searching. Wish I would have bookmarked it.

I am trying to assemble what needs to be on the engine for painting on my '68 383 Dart. I need some reference photos of what is correct. Hoping Rhino comes to the rescue.

Passenger side engine mount bracket and rubber, engine color? No - Black
Drivers side engine mount bracket and rubber, black? Yes - same as other mount
Dipstick tube, bare? Since it is bolted to the rear bracket mount, I am thinking the tube may be not painted?
Fuel pump, engine color? Yes
Temp sender not painted,
oil pressure switch - only if it is the small non oil pressure gauge sender...if it is the small one, mask off the terminal area before engine painting.
Anything else bolt on that needs to be on before paint?
Exhaust manifolds.....spark plugs (masked off)

Thanks!


I agree with passenger side bracket black, but I have seen the drivers side painted engine color.
Dipstick tube can be bare or painted, seen both. I always paint because I don't like bare parts rusting.
Fuel pump painted engine color if going for OEM.
The oil sender is painted but I hate that.
Negative cable is bolted to the open bolt hole on the head near the intake..

See the 69 engine mount below from the GTS registry

http://www.gtsregistry1969.com/ref383motormount.jpg


Maybe overspray?


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Originally Posted By dart4forte
Originally Posted By njmopar
Thanks for the feedback. Would have figured the temp sensor was in before paint, but easy enough to remove now.
For the negative cable, agree on the throttle bracket? If yes, over or under the bracket? Over goes towards the water pump housing and under goes up towards the valve cover. I tried both ways and both look good. The lug end fits fine either way.

Oh and then the negative ground strap on passenger rear. I would think this is installed before paint as well. Need to find that cable in my stash.....

Amazing, all the photos I have taken over the years, you would think I could get a consensus on these things. Every engine compartment looks different now that I study them.


If I'm mistaken the emissions tag on your car is on the wrong side

None of photos are my cars, just ones I have photographed or found on the net.

I took a look at a pic of my car before teardown. Label is on right/passengers side inner fender.

BTW, my car was missing the engine, which is the reason for all the questions.

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Photo from 1999

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The emissions tag goes next to the fender tag


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Originally Posted By dart4forte
The emissions tag goes next to the fender tag


not in '68

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The pic of my car is the decal in original location, I put money on that. I know this car history back to 1979 and it looked the same then (with no engine sadly). I have old print photos. So unless someone between 1968 and 1979 decided to move it, that was factory.

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Then it is just another factory mistake...


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Originally Posted By Rhinodart
Then it is just another factory mistake...


I'll keep my factory mistake when putting my label back on.
Makes setting timing that much easier, quick reference wink

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One last question, I hope.
Heater hose tubes on water pump housing, painted or not?

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Originally Posted By njmopar
Originally Posted By Rhinodart
Then it is just another factory mistake...


I'll keep my factory mistake when putting my label back on.
Makes setting timing that much easier, quick reference wink



I hear ya there, my 69 GTS had a DART SWINGER stripe on one side and a GT SPORT stripe on the other! laugh2 I am assuming you mean the heater hose nipples coming out of the water pump housing, they were painted when the engine was before the hoses got put on. wave Now have a good talk with Galen about the 68 fender tags put on 180 degrees off... runaway

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