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Re: A petition to ESPN (yes or no) [Re: GoDartGo] #220364
02/10/09 08:04 PM
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Paul Page is an Indy-car type of guy. He knew little about drag racing when he started and his commentaries were full of inaccuracies. I also don't care for his comments half the time. Bob Frye (sp?) does a super job with the Sportsman commentaries (when ESPN finds time to air it between the Poker tournaments ). I say put him in there with Mike Dunn. I like Mike's comments because he was in a car and can speak intelligently about them. Just my



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Re: A petition to ESPN (yes or no) [Re: Thumperdart] #220365
02/10/09 08:08 PM
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ya know, now that I think about it, if ESPN is trying to attract ANY new viewers, Paul Page doesn't work for any demographic.

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Re: A petition to ESPN (yes or no) [Re: GoDartGo] #220366
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I too thought the filler was a joke - I mean, John Force's cat?!?! Come on........... I think they should put Scelzi on the payroll to do pit interviews with the sportsman racers and bring back Scelzi Says. Then, I think they should have some pre-made 10 minute segments on legends of the sport from way back when - Prudhomme, McEwen, McCulloch, Dunn (Jim), Jungle Jim/Pam, Big Daddy, Shirley, Sox & Martin, Landy, Jenkins, etc.

That would make the filler most interesting and Scelzi with a microphone and camera crew is always interesting.

Re: A petition to ESPN (yes or no) [Re: MR_P_BODY] #220367
02/10/09 08:57 PM
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I think its better then that rap crap last year. that was just plain obnoxious.

I liked Marty Reid better then Paul Page....by far.




.... also they should teach Dunn to open up
his vocabulary to more words than ABSOLUTELY... I get feed
up hearing him say that 50 - 60 times a show






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Re: A petition to ESPN (yes or no) [Re: bigdad] #220368
02/10/09 09:07 PM
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I think everyone will agree with your outlook but, doubtful ESPN cares what we think now, if the people that sponsor the program was contacted and told these things, they might have a different feeling about it

Never know, since Castrol is a big advertiser it might even be in the fine print that they have to visit with force , etc

Bring back TNN !



Bring back TNN !!!
The networks think they need to add drama to racing They have ruined NASCAR with all the pre-race crap and they have been steadily trying to ruin drag racing as well.
Racing doesn't need any extra drama! Even non racers enjoy the technical aspect that TNN used to explore with some exceptional production and interesting commentators that I didn't want to strangle.Lets just get back to the grass roots of what makes this sport great,the fans and the cars.
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Re: A petition to ESPN (yes or no) [Re: dthemi] #220369
02/10/09 09:08 PM
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The closest thing we have in this sport to the Great Steve Evans is Bret Kepner - that man flat out knows his stuff, inside and out. When Steve used to do an interview with the likes of Force and the rest of them, they knew they couldn't shuck and jive their way out of his questions 'cause most of them came up in the sport when Steve was a track operator and such. Get someone with those chops back in the booth, and pair him up with Mike Dunn doing the interviews in the pits, and you just might see a little bit of that old Evans - McClelland magic again.

Re: A petition to ESPN (yes or no) [Re: Sixpak] #220370
02/10/09 09:12 PM
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Maybe they could get Dean Skuza to team up with Dunn.


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Re: A petition to ESPN (yes or no) [Re: smokinwoody] #220371
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Re: A petition to ESPN (yes or no) [Re: smokinwoody] #220372
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what do you think of IHRA coverage in comparison to NHRA's?

I dont think NHRA is that bad, Paul Page isnt that bad to me... I dont notice the Absolutely or other catch phrases... (I do hate the "air to spare" term thats used.)

I agree with less personal stories, maybe once ina while or something? but every show? no.

More technical would be nice, get John Medlin or someone to explain things, back when Fox started showing NASCAR, I watched and I really enjoyed when a pit stop happened, and a change was made to the car, they would show with a computer sim, what they were talking about, and it made me appreciate what was happening becuase I understood it better.

Show more racing, they had down time, and yet the Mustang CJ's where making thier debuts, so why nothing on that?

Re: A petition to ESPN (yes or no) [Re: fourgearsavoy] #220373
02/10/09 09:22 PM
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Im pretty sure ESPN has received enough hate mail regarding Page. They arent listening, and neither is NHRA who pays ESPN to cover their fiasco.

My suggestion is to just not turn it on anymore. It started going downhill real fast with the "Countdown" and when it became a "show" rather than a broadcast.

I quit watching it completely last year, and I didnt miss a thing. Check the results online, and get on with your day.

I could be much more harsh, but Im trying to be nice.

Re: A petition to ESPN (yes or no) [Re: 5537SG] #220374
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Im pretty sure ESPN has received enough hate mail regarding Page. They arent listening, and neither is NHRA who pays ESPN to cover their fiasco.

My suggestion is to just not turn it on anymore. It started going downhill real fast with the "Countdown" and when it became a "show" rather than a broadcast.

I quit watching it completely last year, and I didnt miss a thing. Check the results online, and get on with your day.

I could be much more harsh, but Im trying to be nice.




A show rather than a broadcast is a great way to say what I feel. I hate to just get the results and really like watching the race without all the "show". I'm concerned that people just clicking off will kill the pro level of the sport.

Re: A petition to ESPN (yes or no) [Re: slantzilla] #220375
02/10/09 09:38 PM
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For me to even start to breakdown their coverage...would be a short book.

They do so many things wrong that there really is nothing a couple of fixes would fix.
The whole theme is insulting to anybody that has raced even one time in their life.

If they think that a non racer will watch because of the bs and not for the racing its self...its just stupid.
When you are telling the story of a event..any event you have to get in there and get dirty. Speak the lingo..actually Know what is going on..and report it. Just the facts leave the bs behind. Then IF it is a event that is worth watching people will watch.

The best motorsports coverage used to be Formula 1. Then along came Hamilton and they cant get their lips off of his rear long enough to talk.
The best now is World SuperBike. If you are not into motorcycles then this is lost on you..but that team coverage is just unreal. When they get fired up and start screaming towards the end of the race it is not fake, and they have you screaming with them.

Re: A petition to ESPN (yes or no) [Re: dthemi] #220376
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You are 100% correct. I hate to give up (its not something that I do easily) on the enjoyment I used to get watching the races, but I tend to think they just gave up on me.

When the "show" became the Force Family Fantastic Fan Extravanganza, it went so far over the top it was making me ill. I mean, sure Id like to blast a load on Ashleys back like the rest of us, but if I wanted pretty faces I would seek the appropriate sources. I want to see races, with racers. Sure GA's wife is pretty and who doesnt like to watch her bounce, but how about showing me the cars? How about showing me some tech instead of Laurie Force who looks like she crawled out of a coffin?

I wasnt left with a sport to watch anymore. I complained but nobody listened. Now I just check things out from a distance.

still trying to be nice

Re: A petition to ESPN (yes or no) [Re: Lil Demon] #220377
02/10/09 09:54 PM
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i couldnt agree more with you guys,i cant stand paul page.i really think bob frey and mike could take this show to a new level.there is so much expierence between the 2 of them.they should have shown high lites from previouse races in nhra history.talked about how the classes have progressed over the years.talked about safety in these car,do a comparison from pro stock to funny cars,to top fuel.paul page

Re: A petition to ESPN (yes or no) [Re: ChrisJohnston669] #220378
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i like bret kepner...lets bring him back!




I second this motion! Bret Kepner is the man!! I wouldn't mind bob frey either!


He is the man the myth the legend in his mind stats out the wahzoo.He was with them Brets got his own agenda at (GIR) OAS ,SCSS ,heads up racing street cars really busy on tuesdays.


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Re: A petition to ESPN (yes or no) [Re: 10 o to go] #220379
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I say replace PP with Alan Reinhardt, that being said I take what we get for what it is. You can turn on the tv any day of the week and see some channel espn, speed etc talking about Nascar which I cannot stand. Just goes to show how popular it is. Doesn't NHRA pay to have there races televised?

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Re: A petition to ESPN (yes or no) [Re: Keith Richards] #220380
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it's all about a show now, Page sucks big time. typical dog and pony show following in nascars foot steps. they have really ruined racing trying to make a show out of it. fining drivers for saying this or that making everything politcally correct. all the cars the same.

Re: A petition to ESPN (yes or no) [Re: Quicktree] #220381
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DThemi your on to something, you nailed it. I was think the same thing about the wedding and the cat, johns weight. the new song,
stinks, trying to make larry and the sarge talk smack.
and if Womens Basketball is on before a race LOOKOUT, thats important stuff!!!!

espn needs to know

Re: A petition to ESPN (yes or no) [Re: Billet426] #220382
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paul page is a retard, and the whole coverage sucks! i like mike dunn. he should get out of the booth and go back to racing. i am only really interested in prostock and pro stock bike and it really pisses me off when they do a 3 hour show and 2.5 hrs is all fuel cars. and some one else said it to, they always do interviews when pro stockers are running. F---IN BULLS--T! And your right on about the super bike coverage and moto GP its awsome. Valentino rossi rules!


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Re: A petition to ESPN (yes or no) [Re: 70blackfish] #220383
02/10/09 11:56 PM
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I think that when it comes down to it, it's all about the mighty dollar. They can sell personalities and drama to the masses better than they can sell racing, competition, and fast cars to true drag racing enthusiasts.

I liked it better when you really didn't know the personalities, you knew the big names because they were good and not because of the sponsor on the car. As a kid I remember going to see 64 Funny Cars and still remember some of the names like Ed the "Ace", Don the "Snake", Jungle Jim, Gene the "Snowman", the Mongoose McEwen, Raymond Beadle and the Blue Max car. The cars were the "personalities" and the names on the side were cool characters... and not just advertisements.

I could really do without knowing what big babies Warren Johnson or Tony Stewart are. Although it does give me somebody to route against.

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