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Why no MW cars racing in FAST? #218353
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Although I don't follow the F.A.S.T. racing closely, I am a fan of it, and was curious why there seems to be a lack of Max Wedge cars running in this class? Is there a part of the rules that would make a Max Wedge uncompetitive, or is there just lack of interest?

I know that there are quite a few MW cars running in Stock Eliminator and similar classes. If there are any MW cars running F.A.S.T., could you post some details of their combo and what sort of times they are running? I would like to build something along those lines, just for something different, down here in Australia. Thanks.

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Dave Finn runs his Max Wedge car in FAST. He has gone 11.04 @ 127mph I believe, and last year was his first year with it.
I know of a new Max Wedge coming out this year I believe that should be giving Dave's car a run.


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The wedge would be more cost friendly, but it's hard to keep up with the potential flow/power of a hemi head...

Basically all the same vintage cars, so why run a max wedge over a hemi?

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I heard that one of THE big hitters in FAST just bought a max wedge car.


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I heard that one of THE big hitters in FAST just bought a max wedge car.




Can't anything fly under the radar anymore??

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Can't anything fly under the radar anymore??

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Nope.

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Big hitter? There will be a new Maxie out in FAST this year. It should run well but it will never catch the Hemi. I'am sure there will be a 10 second run it with a little tweeking.

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cubic inch for cubic inch the hemi makes more power. but; if the guy with the old ramcharger or plymouth s/s builds a 3200-3400lb maxium weight steel front end car the race is on. having to spot somebody 400-500lbs,...well you get the idea. i think that blue corvette only weighs 3200lbs; and look how well it performs.

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Dave Finn runs his Max Wedge car in FAST. He has gone 11.04 @ 127mph I believe




Any idea roughly what his engine combo is? Number of cubes, compression, roller cam?? Not after trade secrets, just a basic combo rundown.

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There will be *TWO* 10 second Maxies next year hammering the GM`s. It sure would be nice to see those wedges close in on the Hemi`s. There is a 3rd guy who has the pieces to build yet another maxie, i`m not sure he`s ready to go that fast, just yet.


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Number of cubes, compression, roller cam?? Not after trade secrets, just a basic combo rundown.




It's probably got as many as you can squeeze into a stock block, and yes, I'm sure it's got compression and a roller.......

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Dave Finns car really looks and runs good. I heard his Maxie eng dynoed at almost 700 hp ! Look around this site and you can find some pics of Dave's 63 Dodge. http://www.supercarraces.com/Atco08.html I know like 4 years ago Jeff Petersons 63 Ply ran 12.0's in Pure Stock not FAST and I figured if you built a Maxie for FAST it should run easy mid to low 11's and it looks like Dave's car will run 10's with no trouble next year. Ron

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Hi Ed congrats on the new purchase you’ll love it. Bob K’s been trying to get me to take mine to the pure stocks for a couple of years but it just hasn’t worked out. Car runs 11.9’s on drag radials with me driving so I suspect it could be in the mid 11’s with someone who knows what they’re doing behind the wheel. It’s got a stock ’63 max wedge block but the heads have had some work and appearance wise looks as stock as they come.

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Number of cubes, compression, roller cam?? Not after trade secrets, just a basic combo rundown.




It's probably got as many as you can squeeze into a stock block, and yes, I'm sure it's got compression and a roller.......



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You make it sound like Iam going to violate the poor Wedge. It's nothing you wouldn't do? Big cubes, big compression and a big old roller just about say's it all . And it's all going in a black 63 Plymouth should make a good Chevy beater? We will see?

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now that the Maxie's going to take over I can get the Black Bird back to stock! Your 64 Looks great! How have you been?

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Hi Ed been doing fine just waiting for the weather to break and get the cars out. Happy to hear you're ok after the reverse exit you had at the track had to be a hell of a ride! I look on here often to see pics of the bird - have to tell ya its impressive! The maxie is a lot of fun but with a 456 gear it doesn't see too much leisure driving. Take care and hope to see you this summer and may be do a little match up of the wedgeeees - Joe

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You make it sound like Iam going to violate the poor Wedge. It's nothing you wouldn't do? Big cubes, big compression and a big old roller just about say's it all . And it's all going in a black 63 Plymouth should make a good Chevy beater? We will see?


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I'm not knocking it........That's what it's all about.........I LOVE lots of compression and the right roller.........

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I'm sure the MW could be competitive in F.A.S.T. but I'd think it'd do better in Pure Stock where the engines aren't modded enough to really take advantage of the Hemi's superior flow and where the MW has a decided compression advantage.

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I think Dave's and Ed's Maxi's will be in the 10's next year.

I think the Maxi will run into the 11's in pure stock in a no radio, heater delete, Savoy with the battery in the trunk and the 3705 carbs.

An Duster, Demon with a 3100 lbs race weight and 500 flywheel HP would also be interesting in FAST. Could this be the first 10 second FAST small block.


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A Duster, Demon with a 3100 lbs race weight and 500 flywheel HP would also be interesting in FAST. Could this be the first 10 second FAST small block.







Duster, Check
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10's?, I'll take sub 11.50's.

I'm looking forward to the 09 season for sure.


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A Duster, Demon with a 3100 lbs race weight and 500 flywheel HP would also be interesting in FAST. Could this be the first 10 second FAST small block.







Duster, Check
Weight, Check
Horsepower, building now
10's?, I'll take sub 11.50's.

I'm looking forward to the 09 season for sure.





If anyone is going to get in the lead it's you. I think Tom is working too much on the bigblock stuff. I keep falling farther behind on where I would like to be.


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What makes you think that

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500 hp in a 3100 lbs package should run 10.90 at 127.5 mph with a 1.70 60'. I would think that is very possible in a A body. I think the key will be to take as much weight off the front as possible so you can add 100 lbs of weight to the rear of the car and still end up 3100 with driver.


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500HP at the wheels. My best of 11.93 was @ 115mph which calculates to be about 370 rwhp.

I'm building in a little more cubes and some more compression but its gonna be quite a feat to find 130rwhp.

Tom, get workin on that big motor!!


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A Duster, Demon with a 3100 lbs race weight and 500 flywheel HP would also be interesting in FAST. Could this be the first 10 second FAST small block.






Duster, Check
Weight, Check
Horsepower, building now
10's?, I'll take sub 11.50's.

I'm looking forward to the 09 season for sure.






Sub 11.50's is definitely possible, I've done it with drag radials and a poor 1.72 60 foot time.


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The 500 HP I used in the calculation was flywheel, 450 at the wheels would get you the same results. If the numbers that Dave got on his 340 build were not on a happy Dyno I think it's a possible goal. Easy, not saying that. Weight distribution and transfer will be key. What kind of 60's has Joel run in his Hemi car with a stick and at least 700 more lbs to launch on the same tire an A body will be on? I think I will call mine David.

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What makes you think that





Cause I know how much the T/A likes the back of the AAR.


Now that should get you motivated.

Just curious what hp does 3670lbs at 11.61 equate too?


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Give me the MPH of that 11.61 run and I will tell you how much HP you are making. Is that the weight with driver? If that 11.61 was on poly's you probably making enough steam.


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11.61 @ 117mph was on poly's in the AAR. 3670 w/driver and a pretty hurt tranny. That motor will more than likely be making it's way into the 71 duster...


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The motor is making 460 at the flywheel or 413 at the wheels. 40 more hp and a 3100 lbs with driver a-body, going to be a tough combo. Has anyone done any testing to see which is the best set up the six pack or the thermo quad? I wanted a 72 Demon so I would have fresh air.


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The motor is making 460 at the flywheel or 413 at the wheels. 40 more hp and a 3100 lbs with driver a-body, going to be a tough combo. Has anyone done any testing to see which is the best set up the six pack or the thermo quad? I wanted a 72 Demon so I would have fresh air.




Haven't done any testing, but it would be hard to imagine the T quad(even though it's a pretty good race carb) trumping a 6 pack. the manifold itself is much better.

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Mike I have not done any comparison to a Sixpack but the factory four barrel intake is quite good as I can remember the disapointment after laying my hard earned $4.00 an hour down for a LD340, and getting little to no performance increase. The 340-360 A body cars do well in stock eleminator and the intake and carburator are one of the reasons in my opinion.


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I thought you where working on a Maxie? did you change gears to a small block?

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You should never under estimate The Big Shooter I think he's all small block for 09 ??

Come on April

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I will NEVER under estimate Tom. Dave keeps putting these Hemi thoughts in his head.


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well whatever can be done to the manifold is going to be done. I know the carb can be made to flow over 900+cfm. But to lose the fresh air is going to hurt big time. I can't wait to see what all these cars are going to do this year.


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You should never under estimate The Big Shooter I think he's all small block for 09 ??




I hope so. That 11.57 sat quietly for way too long. I want to see it move in 09 even if the Big Shooter bests it himself, but then again, I'd prefer to get there first.

C'mon April is right!!!


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and I don't think Benoint is done with the LT-1 Corvette, either...........




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The LT1 Vette is going to have to run a 4 speed and I don't believe you are going to get as many cubic inches with the Chevy. The A Body is going to be close in weight and 100 lbs in the Trunk will even it up on the weight distribution. LT1 is not near as good a package as the L88 and no auto. I'll take the Mopar.


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You sure about all that Dan?

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What part do think is not correct? The SBC does not have as much deck height as the Mopar and pretty sure you need a raised cam aftermarket block to get much over 415 inches. The Vettes are around 3000 lbs. LT1 Vette's I believe only came 4 speeds. Z/28 were available either auto or 4-speed. Yes I think if a guy uses his head you will be able to get an Abody very close to 50/50 with 100 lbs ballast. I'm a big ole boy and I am driving from the back seat. And no doubt about it the L88 is a better package. Win lose or draw I will take the Mopar.


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Well first of all I don't think the stick is a disadvantage.Second it has beeen rumored the Vette has well over 450 inches.Vette cuts air at about mid track,driver sits on the rear axle,rear tires get equally loaded,engine sits way back,98 inch wheelbase,has all good manifolds and air and fuel mixing devices.

In my opinion the Vettes should win every Fast race and when they don't it is a victory for everyone with a solid axle.

Also if you think you're gonna get to 50/50 with just a hundred pounds in the trunk you got another thing coming

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If he has 450 cubic inches he is not using a stock block plain and simple. I personally do not think the independent rear suspension is an advantage. It eats a lot of Hp. Short wheel base is, I agree. If the cars had more tire I agree auto would not have an advantage. But for cutting lights, and launching on a small tire I will take the auto. As far as weight distribution, let you know as the project comes along.


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He uses the 400 block, they can run the 400 to substitute a 350 just like us mopar guys can run a 360 in a 273 car. As far as Benoint goes, real nice guy to talk to, crazy burnouts, fun to watch. I just would feel safer running next to him if he put the rear brakes back on....


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Ed Great looking '63 is that a white dodge I see in the background? Speaking of small blocks here's a pic of my sunday driver It's a '34 Plymouth with a 1970 340-6pk really a blast to drive

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The 400 block is what I was using in my example they have a 3.75 stock stroke and will only except a 3.8 stroke crank. Any thing more than that and he is using a GM racing block (Bowtie) or after market block. No rear brakes I believe is a safty issue that should be addressed.


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The 400 block is what I was using in my example they have a 3.75 stock stroke and will only except a 3.8 stroke crank. Any thing more than that and he is using a GM racing block (Bowtie) or after market block. No rear brakes I believe is a safty issue that should be addressed.




Danny, it can be done legally.......

With Chevy blocks we are in somewhat of a better situation as far as block integrity goes. For the most part, factory Chevy blocks are good--at least for anything other than endurance racing (Cup car and the like) to power levels in the 700-800hp range. Find a thick 400 block or a regular Bow Tie block and bore sizes up to 4.185 are no problem. Once in a while a really thick one comes along that will go to as much as 4.250 on the bore. With a 4-inch stroke, that makes 454 inches, but that is almost certainly the limit for a stock-configuration small-block Chevy. To get even a 4-inch stroke into the block it is necessary to run a cam with a smaller base circle in order to provide clearance for the shoulders of the con rods.




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2.01 Engine block must appear to be a correct* original block




How do you make a 400 cast with 3 freeze plug bosses per side look like an LT1 block that only had 2??







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Rule 201 c. A correct* 327 Chevy can use a 350 or 400 block, if it appears externally correct*, and is made from the correct* material.

I think this falls in the "upon a cursory visual inspection by someone reasonably familiar with the year, make and model claimed, it looks like a correct* part"

My guess is that an extra freeze plug, a different shape accessory boss, a slightly different timing cover design, etc would not be considered out of spec for the rule.




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Danny what happened to the Max Wedge you were doing?

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It runs 11.50's all day long at the Chrysler Classics events.........


Oh, Danny... nevermind. I never worked on a Max Wedge car in my life......




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Re: Why no MW cars racing in FAST? [Re: DonnyBrass] #218404
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Rule 201 c. A correct* 327 Chevy can use a 350 or 400 block, if it appears externally correct*, and is made from the correct* material.

I think this falls in the "upon a cursory visual inspection by someone reasonably familiar with the year, make and model claimed, it looks like a correct* part"

My guess is that an extra freeze plug, a different shape accessory boss, a slightly different timing cover design, etc would not be considered out of spec for the rule.





This would also apply to a Mopar in the case of a 340 Restoration block which is a heavier duty casting (like 50lbs heavier too!). The casting number is correct/vintage but the sides of the block castings don't look the same in many areas. Or how about the guys running a mixture of correct and incorrect carburetors, head castings, and exhaust manifolds for the year/model car they run. Lot's of "Grey" in how the current FAST rules are interpreted or enforced.

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A 400 block would be able to go 4.185 with a decent sonic test. A 4 inch stroke can go in one with honda rod journals and small base circle cam. May be able to get a hair more stroke by measreing every thing real close, bore may get a hair bigger with a sleeve or hard block. As you can probably imagine the rod/stroke ratio is nice at that long of a stroke.

I think in the spirit of the rules a 400 block should not be allowed same as a 340 resto block, but in the strict technical interpritation of the rules they are ok.


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This would also apply to a Mopar in the case of a 340 Restoration block which is a heavier duty casting (like 50lbs heavier too!). The casting number is correct/vintage but the sides of the block castings don't look the same in many areas. Or how about the guys running a mixture of correct and incorrect carburetors, head castings, and exhaust manifolds for the year/model car they run. Lot's of "Grey" in how the current FAST rules are interpreted or enforced.




I would not say it does, but it may, the Hemi guys got the new block and heads........ but that is also written right in the rules...

Chevy guys do not get bowtie blocks.

Scott... I thought the cars were not teched hard until they ran 11.70, are you talking about cars that are faster than that ???

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Who's running heads and exhaust manifolds that are not correct for the model & year? That and the intake manifold casting is pretty cut & dry in the rules. I don't see much grey there.


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Who's doing it doesn't matter, they know who they are, and granted, you need to do something special in order to get inspected.

I just feel sorry for the poor guy who builds a car with "questionable" parts, then does something special, then gets dissapointed when he gets thrown out. As many gains as we've been seeing it's bound to happen, probably sooner than later. Allot of guys take some of the rules pretty lightly, it'll be interesting to see what happens when someone does something special only to gets called on thier illegal parts.

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Scott,

I don't. If the part is questionable, the question should have been asked. If somebody spent a small fortune on the wrong casting heads and gets called on it, its their own doing.


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This would also apply to a Mopar in the case of a 340 Restoration block which is a heavier duty casting (like 50lbs heavier too!). The casting number is correct/vintage but the sides of the block castings don't look the same in many areas. Or how about the guys running a mixture of correct and incorrect carburetors, head castings, and exhaust manifolds for the year/model car they run. Lot's of "Grey" in how the current FAST rules are interpreted or enforced.




I would not say it does, but it may, the Hemi guys got the new block and heads........ but that is also written right in the rules...

Chevy guys do not get bowtie blocks.

Scott... I thought the cars were not teched hard until they ran 11.70, are you talking about cars that are faster than that ???




Hemi guys get the new blocks , ONLY the water blocks which are HEAVIER than stock , same for the heads and as far as i know no one is running the new heads because of the extra weight , which i believe is about DOUBLE .... and the reason why is you won't get many takers paying the RANSOME ORIGINAL Hemi blocks COMMAND .

Big block chevy bowtie , raised decks ??? Aren't they ONLY siamese bore ?

The rule was as soon as you run an 11.70 things get strict , I wonder if that will relax some now that to be competitive you need to run better than 11.teens , soon better than 11.00 ???

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Scott,

I don't. If the part is questionable, the question should have been asked. If somebody spent a small fortune on the wrong casting heads and gets called on it, its their own doing.




Exactly and 2 X heavy hitters paid the price ...

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Exactly and 2 X heavy hitters paid the price ...




not sure what you are implying... if they were heavy hitters, they should have known the rules......

only makes sense.




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It runs 11.50's all day long at the Chrysler Classics events.........


Oh, Danny... nevermind. I never worked on a Max Wedge car in my life......






OK maybe once

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Danny what happened to the Max Wedge you were doing?




Tom I still have it but it is a replica of a car that I have been dreaming of owning since I was 19 years old. The heads that I have for it are NOS and I really don't want to put a roll bar in it so I am building it for Pure Stock. I have been brain storming and decided on a 1972 Demon for FAST. I bought the car and all the necessary parts to make the Demon legal for less than the Nos Maxy heads.


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The end of this season first of next. Depends on how funding goes.


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Exactly and 2 X heavy hitters paid the price ...




not sure what you are implying... if they were heavy hitters, they should have known the rules......

only makes sense.




they knew the rules ...

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Ed - here's a pic of the engine in my '64 - its an original '63 max wedge block and the only difference now is that I've got a trunk mounted battery with vent tubes

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That looks great!I will use it as a reference. Can you post a picture of the battery when you have time? I need to see what it should look like.

Thanks Ed

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Ed - my cars tucked away so I'm not sure when I could take a picture of what mine looks like but here's what I used as an example. The pics are from an original '64 maxie and will give you a good idea how it looked at least for '64. The positive cable runs behind the spare and then along the floor on the drivers side. I got a sealed battery that looks just like this with the fake caps and vent tubes

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Ed here's another picture of the battery. I have friend who restores A990 cars and has reproduction cable hold downs for the positive cable behind the spare if you want - hope these help

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By the way Ed I got the hold down, tray, vent caps and cables from Karmer's a bit pricey but it is really good stuff the vent tubes are just regular black tubing from the local hardware store and cut to fit. We made the hold down brackets (both are the same) then just welded them down

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What is the transmission of choice in F.A.S.T.? I would think a stick would be easier to launch on stock tires.

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With a max wedge you can't have any more fun then running a with push button automatic transmission!!

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Ed - here's a picture of the maxie at last years Woodward Dream Cruise. You gotta look real close(actually you'll need a magnifying glass) but you can just barely see the vent tubes -sorry but it the best I have right now

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Wow, that car is beautiful!

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Thanks it really is a fun piece to drive. Here's a better pic from Woodward but I have to admit these pictures really don’t do the car justice it's a bit nicer in person (at least in my opinion ha ha) - Thanks again

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