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What is the best EFI Throttle body Single or 4 blade? #216557
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For a procharger Street Strip combo

A single blade with an 90 elbow on the intake or a progressive 4 blade
http://www.fuelairspark.com/Products...ake_bm92mm.asp

http://www.injector.com/throttlebodies.php and a carb hat

I was worried about sealing of the 4 blade
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Re: What is the best EFI Throttle body Single or 4 blad [Re: Kam*Kuda] #216558
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Hello,

For the street/strip I would say the progressive 4 blade.

Damon

Re: What is the best EFI Throttle body Single or 4 blade? [Re: Kam*Kuda] #216559
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For a pressurized system I'd go with the single

Re: What is the best EFI Throttle body Single or 4 blad [Re: mopardamo] #216560
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Hello,

For the street/strip I would say the progressive 4 blade.

Damon




Sorry but single is better. More air flow and quicker response. Tuning is done via a laptop, and should not be done on the mechanical end. Restricting air flow with a restrictive 4-blade, is just that, restrictive...Just let the map go a touch leaner, and without all the timing the motor wants in street tune, it has almost the same effect.

In race tune, let it loose....

And I don't mean real lean, just enough that the engine doesn't climb rpm as quick. Its like not having enough squirter shot in the carburator.


'70 Cuda,...605 EFI Hemi Street Car (6.20 best pass, 1.33 60ft)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYw6RA-k5Bk (6.25 at 108.75mph from inside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zQEb9uxFng (6.25 at 108mph from outside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCvfzsC4NgM (9.9)

'66 Barracuda AWB Stretched nose Blown 440 Car in build stage

'71 Duster Drag Car 400 Low Deck 512 best 6.002 at 115.44mph
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Znuo3jMUXTk
Re: What is the best EFI Throttle body Single or 4 blad [Re: Dragula] #216561
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I have yet to see anybody run anything other than a single blade throttle body an a single four barrel manifold in a blow thru application.
You could start a trend

Re: What is the best EFI Throttle body Single or 4 blad [Re: The Shadow] #216562
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I have yet to see anybody run anything other than a single blade throttle body an a single four barrel manifold in a blow thru application.
You could start a trend




I saw it on the purevision Hammer. I agree the single blade is the way to go. 92mm LSI style I believe

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Re: What is the best EFI Throttle body Single or 4 blad [Re: Kam*Kuda] #216563
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Single blade is more common, cheaper, and easier to hook up to the outlet of your turbo/sc,but the 4 hole works very well. Pick what you like or is easiest for you.

Re: What is the best EFI Throttle body Single or 4 blad [Re: goldmember] #216564
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95MM single here.I haven't had an issue with it at all.Quick crisp throttle.


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Re: What is the best EFI Throttle body Single or 4 blad [Re: tilt] #216565
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I use a 4-blade modified carb because was easier to do.

But for sure single has more airflow, so , no restrictions and better!

Re: What is the best EFI Throttle body Single or 4 blad [Re: dart_73_br] #216566
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Rob I know where a big single and elbow are, relitivly local too. I can details today if you want.
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Re: What is the best EFI Throttle body Single or 4 blad [Re: The Shadow] #216567
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I have yet to see anybody run anything other than a single blade throttle body an a single four barrel manifold in a blow thru application.
You could start a trend



That looks like a race car with a/c
I must have worded it wrong
I have yet to see anybody run anything other than a single blade throttle body an a single four barrel manifold race application.
But that is also the first set up like that also.

Re: What is the best EFI Throttle body Single or 4 blad [Re: Dragula] #216568
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[quote} Sorry but single is better. More air flow and quicker response. Tuning is done via a laptop, and should not be done on the mechanical end. Restricting air flow with a restrictive 4-blade, is just that, restrictive...




Why would you want to do it with EFI tuning rather then airflow. I have heard many complaints from guys trying to use big singles on street cars because they are so touchy. "Quicker response" is what you're trying to avoid. A progressive linkage 4-barrel takes care of that issue.

From what I have seen the big dominator stuff will actually outflow a single blade too. I saw a couple tests on the N/A stuff that the 4-barrel made more power on back to back tests then one big single...

I don't have the answer, but it seems like it would be a pain to tune the fuel/timing map, rather then just slowly opening the throttle blades.

Re: What is the best EFI Throttle body Single or 4 blad [Re: dizuster] #216569
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Because you still have to tune the efi no matter what TB you run...A/F for idle is different than A/F anywhere else, and the transition can be tricky depending on the cam and the TB linkage and number of openings. A single isn't linear, more of an exponetial curve, but very predictable, a 4-hole progressive will not be anything even close and can really be a pain to tune with the IAC.

Singles are touchy in full tune mode. They can be like an on off switch, but a 4 link will like the harder hit better. Delaying it mechanically causes other issues too, and you can never really get the throttle response of a single out of a progressive 4 barrel.

For street, you just detune it a little with the VE vs TPS and the timing curve, and it makes it very smooth and not touchy at all. With XFI, you just use a switch that allows you to flip between programs on the fly with no computer.

Besides, as mentioned, four barrel progressive will actually be tougher to set-up, especially with a radical cam.


'70 Cuda,...605 EFI Hemi Street Car (6.20 best pass, 1.33 60ft)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYw6RA-k5Bk (6.25 at 108.75mph from inside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zQEb9uxFng (6.25 at 108mph from outside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCvfzsC4NgM (9.9)

'66 Barracuda AWB Stretched nose Blown 440 Car in build stage

'71 Duster Drag Car 400 Low Deck 512 best 6.002 at 115.44mph
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Znuo3jMUXTk
Re: What is the best EFI Throttle body Single or 4 blad [Re: dizuster] #216570
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The boundry layer (0 velocity air) at the wall of the TB barrels restricts flow. Fewer barrels, less boundry layer. Tip in control for the street using a large one barrel TB is usually done by shading the butterfly plates initial 15deg rotation through a casting/billet protrusion into the bore or by using a shaped plate that flows less air at lower actuation angles...A 2000cfm single barrel TB is going to be a whopping 120mm in diameter...I go 2 barrels for that airflow!


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Re: What is the best EFI Throttle body Single or 4 blad [Re: Bruce K Bridges] #216571
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Id put a single 90mm on it .

I like them so much I have 2 on my new manifold.



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Re: What is the best EFI Throttle body Single or 4 blad [Re: Bruce K Bridges] #216572
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Progressive EFI tuning can be a little tougher than letting er rip with a one or two barrel, but with the right manifold the results are worth it! If its just a 4bbl progressive TB on a single plane manifold, I see no point in a progressive TB. Linkage cams can be tweaked for "foot feel" vs driveability, but its all in the software!

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Re: What is the best EFI Throttle body Single or 4 blade? [Re: Kam*Kuda] #216573
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'70 Cuda,...605 EFI Hemi Street Car (6.20 best pass, 1.33 60ft)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYw6RA-k5Bk (6.25 at 108.75mph from inside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zQEb9uxFng (6.25 at 108mph from outside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCvfzsC4NgM (9.9)

'66 Barracuda AWB Stretched nose Blown 440 Car in build stage

'71 Duster Drag Car 400 Low Deck 512 best 6.002 at 115.44mph
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Znuo3jMUXTk
Re: What is the best EFI Throttle body Single or 4 blad [Re: tilt] #216575
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95MM single here.I haven't had an issue with it at all.Quick crisp throttle.




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