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#2246864 - 02/03/17 07:55 PM Re: Garage Project [Re: skicker]
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Rich Cranium

Registered: 06/09/05
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Loc: Western Md.
Even though I'm not working on this through the winter I do have a couple updates...
I happened to be on a project where the owner was going to throw away 26 4x10 sheets of 2" R-13 Polystyrene Thermax insulation with foil face on each side. That will work great with the 2" Z furring I have to fur-out the 3 basement walls that are not under ground. I'll cover them with plywood to finish them off... up
I bought the windows for the basement but since they were only about 4' above ground I was trying to come up with a way to keep someone from being able to break in.
I bought some 3/4" solid bar and some 1 1/2" box tubing and made bars for both windows. I want to see what powder coating for these will run and then they're ready to install... boogie


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#2247981 - 02/05/17 04:55 PM Re: Garage Project [Re: skicker]
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Rich Cranium

Registered: 06/09/05
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Guess I picked up another project this w/e... up
This will make a nice addition once I spend some time restoring it... boogie


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#2248001 - 02/05/17 05:37 PM Re: Garage Project [Re: skicker]
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#2278830 - 03/30/17 10:43 AM Re: Garage Project [Re: RS23U1G]
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Rich Cranium

Registered: 06/09/05
Posts: 3777
Loc: Western Md.
So I had the truss and lintel drawings for the wood wall framing approved by the county. 1st material order for the wall framing portion is completed and will be sent out for a delivery late next week. The truss's and roof materials along with the doors and windows will be ordered a week or two later and we will see how everything progress's. up
May have to get a couple 30 packs to get guys here when I stand the walls... whistling
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#2317324 - 06/06/17 07:33 PM Re: Garage Project [Re: skicker]
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Rich Cranium

Registered: 06/09/05
Posts: 3777
Loc: Western Md.
Y'all remember Murphy's Law???
I just got a refresher course...
So I order the entire wood package for the wall framing...3 days later I find I have had a bad dishwasher leak that was leaking under the new (5 year old) flooring and the cabinets in my kitchen... rant
So the package comes and I stack everything on the slab where I want it... up
Seeing as how I'm a$$hole deep into the middle of replacing flooring and cabinets in the kitchen I decide to wait till the rainy season is over before starting framing...
Meanwhile I'm looking at the kitchen thinking..."Boy now would be the time to knock out a wall and make everything open concept"..."maybe a new glass tile back splash and all new counter tops with low voltage lighting underneath"..."new Hickory cabinets and LVP flooring"...
One of these days I'll learn to not think out loud... fan
Of course the Kitchen-witch loves all of this and needless to say she gets what she wants... realcrazy
So now I have the kitchen "nearly" put back together enough to live in...Dad decides its time to start framing the garage... tired
We started by shooting the laser over the top plate checking it for up and down and found out that in a total of 96 linear feet (both ends and the back returning to both front corners) I only have about 1/16" variance in elevation.
My hats off to the masons to come 16+ courses high with block and be that accurate. bow
It's a shame whoever framed my kitchen floors couldn't have been that close... rant
If you haven't been paying attention I live on a bit of a slope...like 26 degrees where the garage is being built... frowwn
That makes for some interesting climbing to get where you need to be sometimes...After careful consideration Dad came up with a plan that so far has seemed to work very well... up
So the shop walls will be 10' above the concrete floor. which means the top of them will be about 19' above the ground in the back...
Check out this homemade scaffolding system to be able to work at several locations at once... up


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#2317331 - 06/06/17 07:43 PM Re: Garage Project [Re: skicker]
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Rich Cranium

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Loc: Western Md.
I now have a temporary 46" wide platform that will run around 3 elevations from the beginning of the framing until the last piece of siding and gutter is installed. I can move the aluminum scaffold pics around to wherever I'm working and with the handrail and mid rail I don't have to worry so much about anyone falling. The upright's are 7' apart (the length of the scaffolding planks) and double as a bracket to attach a brace to hold the walls plumb until truss's can be installed. The pictures are 2 days of plotting out scaffolding and erecting it and almost one day of framing for Dad...
I hope I can still do everything he can still do when I'm 78 years old... up


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#2317334 - 06/06/17 07:49 PM Re: Garage Project [Re: skicker]
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Rich Cranium

Registered: 06/09/05
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Loc: Western Md.
We decided to use Polystyrene rigid insulation in the corners where you can never get regular insulation installed and be able to keep it dry. hammer
Laminating it between the outside 2x6's and then adding the one 2x6 for the opposite direction of framing makes a nice job and allows them to be prefabbed ahead of time... up
I didn't really address this earlier but the exterior sheathing you see attached to the bottom plates in the earlier pictures is already held to the final elevation for the top so as to not have to cut any sheathing to install it... work


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#2317768 - 06/07/17 04:53 PM Re: Garage Project [Re: skicker]
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Loc: Minnesota
Anxious to see the walls and roof erected. It will be a great looking building!

Glad your Dad is contributing. That kind of experience is invaluable, as are the memories.
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#2318083 - 06/08/17 12:20 PM Re: Garage Project [Re: peabodyracing]
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Loc: Eugene, Oregon
I sold a lot of 12" tall picture windows for shops that were mounted up high for light but were too small to get through for thieves...

Hickory cabinets in my ongoing remodel....


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#2318097 - 06/08/17 01:00 PM Re: Garage Project [Re: minivan]
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Rich Cranium

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Loc: Western Md.
Originally Posted By minivan
Hickory cabinets in my ongoing remodel....



Yours are very similar to mine...I added low voltage lighting under the cabinets...EZ to do and not a lot of coin... twocents

Wall framing is continuing...I'll try to take a couple more pics tonight before it gets dark...


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#2319059 - 06/10/17 04:49 PM Re: Garage Project [Re: skicker]
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I used hickory also in my master bath... I will use absolute black granite counters in the kitchen for more contrast....


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#2320431 - 06/13/17 07:57 AM Re: Garage Project [Re: minivan]
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Rich Cranium

Registered: 06/09/05
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Loc: Western Md.
So the weekend framing went well considering the heat. ozbbq
Back wall is nearly finished and the far side wall framing is continuing. runaway
Truss supplier is scheduled to field measure on Wednesday. up


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#2320433 - 06/13/17 08:04 AM Re: Garage Project [Re: skicker]
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Rich Cranium

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We framed the front wall for a few hours yesterday.
Bearing plates at the end of the lintels were established at 6" and 4 jack studs were installed.
I'd say another part of a day installing the LVL lintels at the front doors and the sheathing and its ready for truss's. boogie


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#2320581 - 06/13/17 01:08 PM Re: Garage Project [Re: skicker]
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Registered: 11/28/16
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Great build. I hope other garage thread posters look at your build to see framing and shoring done. They needed it. Meticulous craftsmanship, kudos to you and your dad.

Couple questions, how much is it to extend your permit each year?
Also, in picture #1, looks like it will be a 6 point turn to get in the 16' door, especially a dually, is it the photo perspective?

For your 16' LVL header, one of my projects story:
I went from a 2x's with steel flitch plate to a LVL back in the day when they were filtering down to residential. Engineered with no deflection (has roof loads too). 23 years later there is sag. It could be specific variables with that house or old glue tech, and I still specify LVLs for other's door headers. But for future personal builds, I'm debating whether to add a flitch plate to LVLs as fail-safe support.

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#2321002 - 06/14/17 08:44 AM Re: Garage Project [Re: 4mayhemi]
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Rich Cranium

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Loc: Western Md.
Permit is every two years...I can't remember how much each time...I know its better than interest on a loan to do everything at once.
The 16' side of the garage is car storage only.
There's almost 20' in front of the door. I had the dually down there and it would work in one shot by backing in but does require a couple 3 pt turns to pull in.
As for lintels I went back and looked at the load ratings and the point loads. It seems they are way more than needed but I guess there is no way to be sure.
The 16' door only required a 2.7" bearing plate at each end. We increased that dimension to 6" of solid wood on each end. It's two fold as now I know I have 9" of solid blocking for the first 9" away from each door at the sides.
I installed the 3 17' lintels last night but no pics yet. I have them loaded up with 3" screws and plan on installing carriage bolts at 2' intervals hi and low thru everything once its all up. I'd think securing them in the ends to the king studs should also help with any deflection at the jack studs.
You know the drill...overbuild it and try to cover all the bases...
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#2321585 - 06/15/17 10:23 AM Re: Garage Project [Re: skicker]
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Rich Cranium

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Loc: Western Md.
So with the lintels installed the studding above was completed and OSB sheeting installation was ongoing when the rains came...Glad the drainage ditch I put in did what it was supposed to do... up
Need to install about 3 1/2 more pieces of OSB and all the wall framing will be complete. boogie
Truss engineer was on site yesterday to measure for the truss's...they should go into production today and will have about a 10 working day lead time until delivery.
After speaking with the truss rep I had the end trusses changed to a "drop down".
Basically they will stand on top of the framing with the top of them being flush with the bottom of the adjacent truss's. This allows for a 2x6 (same as the top chord on the trusses) to bypass the end truss while fastened to the first flatbottom truss and create a 16" overhang on each end of the building.
The overhand at the front will be 3' in attempt to maybe keep a big snow away from the garage doors while the back will be the typical 12".


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#2321598 - 06/15/17 10:55 AM Re: Garage Project [Re: skicker]
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Rich Cranium

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I like how a lot of water just disappears now rather than sitting around in a big puddle... up
In the meantime I can pick up the hurricane clips for the trusses and begin their layout on top of the walls.
Maybe have some time to start getting stuff ready for Carlisle... work


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#2321611 - 06/15/17 11:13 AM Re: Garage Project [Re: skicker]
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Rich Cranium

Registered: 06/09/05
Posts: 3777
Loc: Western Md.
Here is a picture of the truss layout...
Areas above the garage doors and 9" to each side with truss's highlighted in red will be cathedral ceiling.
Areas highlighted in green are flat bottom trusses with a ceiling height of 10'.
The change allows for about 3' 6" or so of added height at the areas of the garage doors where the lift is to be installed.
Garage doors are out for pricing now with the wall mounted opener...R-17 insulated doors with Stockford 3 windows in the 3rd row from the bottom...the track profile to follow the cathedral ceiling roof line similar to the 2nd pic.
(Pic stolen from Stu...) up


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#2326895 - 06/26/17 10:13 AM Re: Garage Project [Re: skicker]
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Rich Cranium

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All of the exterior OSB sheathing is installed. I managed to put another 8 tons of gravel in front of the garage and raise everything up to about 2" below final finished elevation. I want to install the concrete aprons in front and then I'll top everything off.
Truss's are to be delivered on Thursday the 29th. I have a crane scheduled for Saturday to set all of the truss's. The balance of the material order for the roofing components was completed and sent out this morning. Decided to install 5/8" sheathing and a synthetic roofing underlayment (similar to roof felt) and going with a new metal roof.
I got the quote back for the garage doors...and will be installing two Liftmaster 8500 shaft openers.
Managed to find a couple new tools to add in once its completed. A friend got hard up for cash and I got a good deal...


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#2328896 - 06/29/17 09:31 PM Re: Garage Project [Re: skicker]
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Nice progress! I've built a few, never on a "cliff" like that. Fun projects they are. Keep up the excellent work and the building will outlive your kids...
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