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Would You Use This Spindle? #2159774
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Got a pair of disc spindles off of a '71 Coronet in a 'yard. After cleaning 'em up found one has rust pitting on the shaft, but none on the bearing surface. It extends all the way around the shaft. Ok to use? Let the debate begin.

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Why not? No issue in that area

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Looks OK to me?

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Originally Posted By 451Mopar
Looks OK to me?


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I would use that, not a problem.


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Yes, and if there was to be pitting, that is the least stressed section IMO.


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Thanks guys. bow

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Another vote for using it.Rocky


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Pitting on the bearing surface wouldn't be an issue either - the bearing doesn't spin on the spindle. The seal area is what you have to be concerned with. FWIW, mine are way worse than that.

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I'm not convinced that that area was bright and shiny on the spindle when new. I suspect it's an area where the forging was only big enough for the machining to take off the top of the bumps, leaving the bottom of the bumps as-forged. In service that area is usually covered with grease.

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No issue with that. USE IT!

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Originally Posted By dogdays
I'm not convinced that that area was bright and shiny on the spindle when new. I suspect it's an area where the forging was only big enough for the machining to take off the top of the bumps, leaving the bottom of the bumps as-forged. In service that area is usually covered with grease.

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Hmmm....never thought of that. I was wondering how it could have gotten rusty in the first place, since it should been covered in grease.

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Nope. I know the stresses are not great in that area, but that pitting is a great source for stress risers. Significantly increases the chances of cracking and breaking. I personally would not risk it.


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Originally Posted By markz528
Nope. I know the stresses are not great in that area, but that pitting is a great source for stress risers. Significantly increases the chances of cracking and breaking. I personally would not risk it.


That's exactly what I was wondering about when I posted this.

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Originally Posted By vdriver
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Nope. I know the stresses are not great in that area, but that pitting is a great source for stress risers. Significantly increases the chances of cracking and breaking. I personally would not risk it.


That's exactly what I was wondering about when I posted this.

Grind them out then.

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Originally Posted By cudaman1969
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Nope. I know the stresses are not great in that area, but that pitting is a great source for stress risers. Significantly increases the chances of cracking and breaking. I personally would not risk it.


That's exactly what I was wondering about when I posted this.

Grind them out then.


Sorry, but we are starting down a path that could very well make this worse for the OP. It appeared to me, and not if addressed already, seems like the spindle has already had some mechanical surface de rust prep in posted pic. That was smart, and only improved matters. Going further with grind marks, causing minor localized heating, and/or grind marks orientation, etc, are a risk, and not worth it. Additionally any metal removal is hard to see as a plus. If there was one or two serious depressions, which I don't see, there would be the issue of concentrated stress riser. The fact that there are numerous rust cavities, actually spreads the stress out over a larger surface area, minimizing any single large stress concentration. As also already mentioned, I always coat the area shown pitted with grease, for this very reason, due, to exposure some how, by immersion, or condensation.


Reality check, that half the population is smarter then 50% of the people and it's a constantly contested fact.
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Originally Posted By jcc
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Nope. I know the stresses are not great in that area, but that pitting is a great source for stress risers. Significantly increases the chances of cracking and breaking. I personally would not risk it.


That's exactly what I was wondering about when I posted this.

Grind them out then.


Sorry, but we are starting down a path that could very well make this worse for the OP. It appeared to me, and not if addressed already, seems like the spindle has already had some mechanical surface de rust prep in posted pic. That was smart, and only improved matters. Going further with grind marks, causing minor localized heating, and/or grind marks orientation, etc, are a risk, and not worth it. Additionally any metal removal is hard to see as a plus. If there was one or two serious depressions, which I don't see, there would be the issue of concentrated stress riser. The fact that there are numerous rust cavities, actually spreads the stress out over a larger surface area, minimizing any single large stress concentration. As also already mentioned, I always coat the area shown pitted with grease, for this very reason, due, to exposure some how, by immersion, or condensation.


Granted the stresses are much higher, but in my career I have seen many rotating shafts break because of stress rises caused by that kind of corrosion. Each one of those pits has stress risers.


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Yes, I agree, but I believe I have taken that into account correctly in my thinking. On a related note, ever seen a fully "knurled" (literally hundreds of stress risers) rear axle shaft, and know why?

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Stress risers......... You realize these are forged steel, not cast?

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